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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2020, 10:48:04 AM »
Thanks, Tupp, I'm in good shape.
I've decided that shopping for fresh produce is still shopping, so I'm not doing that.
Haven't been to any kind of store in almost two weeks now. One more week, and then I can go play at M's house and vice versa!

I have ordered in everything I could possibly need to eat and will be fine. Frozen vegs and cans of fruit and soup and jars and shelf-stable packages (like soy milk cartons). I've made bread a couple times in the machine. Last night I took a loaf to M who was doing a PHD review online. Left it on his porch and he left me a big container of baked ziti. Yumm.

My fridge and freezer are full for the first time ever. Most of the time there are about 5 or 6 things on the shelves. So even after the parallel quarantine between M and me is over, I'll be continuing social distancing with friends by walking six feet apart and having them over on sunny days where we can sit and drink wine six feet apart on my back patio.

I read a truly horrifying account of enduring a ventilator in ProPublica that absolutely confirmed my lack of interest in hospitalization should I become infected. Or for any other reason with a little luck. So I think the absolute primary thing is embracing a Zoom and garden and six-feet-friends life until a vaccine is proven, developed and distributed. I think it will be different but probably not as hard as it will be for many. M loves running around town doing errands so it will be more difficult for him. I hope I can influence him to stay the course. I think I can...he's been extremely disciplined about the precautions so far.

I already tend to stay home a lot, and think until the first surge peaks AND subsides to zero in my town, that's the best course. Then only can only hope it's not back again in winter...I don't think a vaccine will be out until the following.

I've been taking walks again with Pooch and enjoying them a lot. So ironically, my health may improve because the world has closed in.

I'm very grateful M is in my life, as it would feel much more isolating without him. I'll still complain but am lucky to have his commitment and partnership. He thinks we dodged the economic bullet by not buying a house a while back, and with everything collapsing I see he's right.

On a Zoom chat yesterday with a woman who volunteers for an organization I'm interested in, she explained how she and her bf got married but kept their own houses. Idea....hmmmm! Perhaps that could be our answer.

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« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2020, 11:05:40 AM »
Lord, YES to keeping a his and her residence, Hops.

Especially when one has really BIG energy and the other more subtle.

So glad you're back in victuals, Tupp. 

So far I've made a big pot of ham and bean soup.... so comforting.... a large pot of spaghetti sauce with pork (Italians would call it pork salsa) and we make a daily pot of rice in the rice cooker. 

I haven't had Tupp's surge of lightness and energy.... I thought I would, but I distinctly do not.  Yesterday was better... just cleaning a bathroom and the kitchen left me feeling much better this morning, though I woke with a stitch in the back of my neck. 

I see the vet tech student posted her services to the neighborhood board.  I'm trying to figure out how to suit her up and me, while we work on baby girl pug together.  DIY taped masks and splash guards won't be 100% but they'll get me through 5 minutes of very close contact, or so I figure.  I know I won't be breathing someone else's air back and forth with nothing between us.   Gloves will go in a bag outside. 

CB:  The pie baking and mindful enjoyment of food was nice to read.  It turned my attention to being more intentional around it too.   

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #77 on: March 26, 2020, 12:28:37 AM »
Why are people dying from cardiac arrest?  Why is the virus killing people this way?

A 38yo man died in NY today, along with 2 others, all from cardiac arrest

38yo.

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« Reply #78 on: March 26, 2020, 07:32:53 AM »
Thanks, Tupp, I'm in good shape.
I've decided that shopping for fresh produce is still shopping, so I'm not doing that.
Haven't been to any kind of store in almost two weeks now. One more week, and then I can go play at M's house and vice versa!

I have ordered in everything I could possibly need to eat and will be fine. Frozen vegs and cans of fruit and soup and jars and shelf-stable packages (like soy milk cartons). I've made bread a couple times in the machine. Last night I took a loaf to M who was doing a PHD review online. Left it on his porch and he left me a big container of baked ziti. Yumm.

My fridge and freezer are full for the first time ever. Most of the time there are about 5 or 6 things on the shelves. So even after the parallel quarantine between M and me is over, I'll be continuing social distancing with friends by walking six feet apart and having them over on sunny days where we can sit and drink wine six feet apart on my back patio.

I read a truly horrifying account of enduring a ventilator in ProPublica that absolutely confirmed my lack of interest in hospitalization should I become infected. Or for any other reason with a little luck. So I think the absolute primary thing is embracing a Zoom and garden and six-feet-friends life until a vaccine is proven, developed and distributed. I think it will be different but probably not as hard as it will be for many. M loves running around town doing errands so it will be more difficult for him. I hope I can influence him to stay the course. I think I can...he's been extremely disciplined about the precautions so far.

I already tend to stay home a lot, and think until the first surge peaks AND subsides to zero in my town, that's the best course. Then only can only hope it's not back again in winter...I don't think a vaccine will be out until the following.

I've been taking walks again with Pooch and enjoying them a lot. So ironically, my health may improve because the world has closed in.

I'm very grateful M is in my life, as it would feel much more isolating without him. I'll still complain but am lucky to have his commitment and partnership. He thinks we dodged the economic bullet by not buying a house a while back, and with everything collapsing I see he's right.

On a Zoom chat yesterday with a woman who volunteers for an organization I'm interested in, she explained how she and her bf got married but kept their own houses. Idea....hmmmm! Perhaps that could be our answer.

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That's all good to read, Hops (not the ventilator bit but I do get what you mean.  Choosing what you will and won't do in your final days is important, I think - I think we should all have the right not to put ourselves through something horrible.  But I am obviously always hoping that it won't come to that for you).  And yes, own houses.  Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton quite famously had houses next door to one another with connecting doors.  I think it sounds very sensible.

I think my health is improving, too.  Stress levels much reduced.  Lots more down time than usual.  Eating much better food because I'm not grabbing crap as I rush from one thing to the next and I've got time to plan and make nice meals, instead of having to do things because they're quick or I'm too tired to cook.  Time to do yoga, and dance, and garden, and do housework.  Son and I are doing a workout video each day to keep him active.  Lots of vitamins and supplements at the moment in an attempt to keep the immune system up.  Far less caffeine, as I'm not having to keep myself going through the day (just woke up from a nap now!).  Ironic that the risk of ill health might make us a bit healthier :)  Can they still keep your monitor machine working without you going anywhere or did you need to go to hospital to get it checked or anything? xx

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« Reply #79 on: March 26, 2020, 08:14:40 AM »
Apparently one week's isolation is enough for people to start showing psychological stress symptoms.

Those of us at the farm, are managing OK. Things to do besides wear on each other helps. HUMOR seems to be useful as well. And for whatever reason, I am the person people reach out to, when they start losing it.

So, I've stepped in and sorted out some panic at the shop; I was glad to see that for once my brother & I were on the same page there. And he was engaging too. Not so much at home, according to my mother... who bent my ear for a couple hours while I was working up to my own breaking point. SIGH... (same old same old there)

Friend Debbie is starting to bounce off the walls - I think she depends on work for an exchange of problems to deal with and work problems are ones she's not THAT emotionally engaged with. She seems easy to make giggle though... so not around the bend yet.

Both girls (mine) are claiming they are such empaths that they are at the mercy of all the awful things happening in the world. Already had listened & pondered Hol's version of that before Amy called. I had to explain that all the awful things have ALWAYS gone on in the world - and they weren't about to stop now - and as an empath, she has to remember to take care of herself FIRST or she can't take care of others. That she has a DUTY to care for herself. I made her laugh with my usual sick, twisted dark humor.

Methinks that particular thread of caring, lends itself to a lot of catastrophizing. And then, when the situation is so dire, irreversible (permanent), and awful in one's imagination.... we are in the thrall of it. Until another things comes along to shift us out of that idee fixe. Or so today's theory is runnning anyway. In my head. LOL.

Buck's oldest - she's the same age as Hol - is in hospital in London. Tested positive and has lupus. He is hanging in there, having promised her he won't do anything rash to try to "save" her - ie, get her back to the US. At this point, she's better off getting the care she can THERE than traveling. IMO. He went out to his shop and beat on some steel to straighten it instead.

That is the next phase to get into here at the farm - physical labor, as the weather starts to warm up and looks like it will stay that way more often now. I have taken it upon myself to keep the kitchen clean & functional & sanitized. Bathroom is ready for plumbers... and I have a little more work on the walls to accomplish... then I can move back into that room and use it. Carpenters need to do a little more trim on the wall, from the other side of the bath.

Then I'll get started on the bedroom itself.
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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #80 on: March 26, 2020, 11:28:54 AM »
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« Reply #81 on: March 26, 2020, 11:33:18 AM »
Lord, YES to keeping a his and her residence, Hops.

Especially when one has really BIG energy and the other more subtle.

So glad you're back in victuals, Tupp. 

So far I've made a big pot of ham and bean soup.... so comforting.... a large pot of spaghetti sauce with pork (Italians would call it pork salsa) and we make a daily pot of rice in the rice cooker. 

I haven't had Tupp's surge of lightness and energy.... I thought I would, but I distinctly do not.  Yesterday was better... just cleaning a bathroom and the kitchen left me feeling much better this morning, though I woke with a stitch in the back of my neck. 

I see the vet tech student posted her services to the neighborhood board.  I'm trying to figure out how to suit her up and me, while we work on baby girl pug together.  DIY taped masks and splash guards won't be 100% but they'll get me through 5 minutes of very close contact, or so I figure.  I know I won't be breathing someone else's air back and forth with nothing between us.   Gloves will go in a bag outside. 

CB:  The pie baking and mindful enjoyment of food was nice to read.  It turned my attention to being more intentional around it too.   

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Lighter, to be safe you need to hand pug over at the door of the vet and then go and wait in the car.  Paper masks don't offer protection because they don't filter the particles out.  You need specialist medical masks for that, even standard surgery masks don't do the job.  I can send you some links for info if you want.  Safer to hand pug over, let them do what they need to do (they will follow impeccable standards at a vet, I would imagine) and then they can meet you at the door again to hand her back.  No close contact is safe, however brief.  Even fully masked, gowned, hygiene savvy medical staff are falling ill here, one nurse has died.  It's not breathing someone else's air that's the problem, it's the particles in the air that matter and you need specialist masks to stop those getting through.  Doesn't matter how brief the contact is.  Honestly, you have three kids at home all depending on you, please don't think paper masks will protect you, even for a short time.  Keep safe and well, we need cooking and moss updates regularly :) xx xx

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« Reply #82 on: March 26, 2020, 11:40:35 AM »
Thanks for asking, Tupp. I have several "phone-in" appointments where I put the thingie on my chest and it electronically sends in a data summary to the hospital. I won't have an in-person followup for months, so hopefully the surge will have crested by then. Not looking forward to going in, but if I stay healthy, all will be well.

Amber, I agree with you about catastrophizing, and feeding fear, and focusing on the scariest anecdotes. I have to skip over that tone sometimes because it feeds my own fear furnace. That said, I also have a craving for information from reliable sources (not social media or rumor or someone-who-knows-someone, kind of thing).

Lighter, the risk is quite high for younger people too, and if you read about people in the ICU and on ventilators, cardiac arrest doesn't seem a strange outcome. If you want to contemplate it (I almost wish I had NOT read this but have a drive for evidence):
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

My advice to anybody about that article is to carefully consider your mental well being.

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« Reply #83 on: March 26, 2020, 03:21:44 PM »
That feeling of disbelief when you realize your kids aren't going to make the cut. It will cut your legs out from under you--I know it well. 

My kids have each taken a turn melting down, but then work their way through it. I hate it that they are so far away.

I am checking the food deliveries every day, like Hops suggested. I just order what is available, a small amount and accept their substitutions. If there's nothing there I need, I check again the next day. Its harrowing, but I have some back stock. It's got to be worse if you have only one days worth. Call you call a relief agency or charity? Check restaurants--the ones around here sold off their coolers full of food at a cheap rate. One place made a box with a whole chicken, rice, eggs, milk some vegetables and a roll of toilet paper (I think that might be an attempt at humor, or maybe just total graciousness) I'll bet there are some in your area.

The problem is it takes so much time to do this kind of searching. I figured out that if I had bread, milk and eggs as a basis I would be okay. Rolled oats is in that category too. I so wish I could help. We are in the same place in the US except there's no one in charge at the helm so in a while our country is going to be very sick.

CB

It's horrible, isn't it CB - they're so undervalued and we're often too wiped out from all the running about to launch that major campaign that's needed to change that perception!  Son is oblivious to that part of it; he does understand that it can make you ill enough to die and he's very happy indoors so we're just going nowhere.  I'm happy indoors as well so it's working well for us at the minute.

The food crisis is averted now, the panic buying just wiped all the supermarkets out and they were trying to catch up for days afterwards.  There are still lots of problems with deliveries but they've put us on a priority list now and I will look to put the order in sooner than I usually would so that will be fine.  Local people have organised food collections for people who can't get out so I can even just get a pint of milk picked up for me now which is great.  But yes, it's the time of trying to organise, arrange, collect it (or sit on the phone or computer for hours trying to get it to go through) and that extra stress of knowing you can't pop out for something if you forget to order it.  Just was all a bit too much all at once.  But all grand now :)  I hope you and yours are managing okay, it's such an unprecedented situation, isn't it? xx

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« Reply #84 on: March 27, 2020, 12:01:56 AM »
My niece arrived in Florida today.  They went to her favorite grocery store to find it fully stocked, clean and very much a comfort after the island's tiny markets.

That was a good thing to hear about Florida right now.

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« Reply #85 on: March 27, 2020, 01:08:27 AM »
I am just so sorry that so many people are scared. I don't know what to say.

They might get sick; but that sounds uncaring. Which wouldn't be true. And they might have worse than just the flu-sick that make one feel horrible. Something that requires hospitalization.

I am sorry for the people who are sick. I can't make the system any better.  No one listens to me. Politics is NOT the answer. But again - no one listens to me.

This is hard. It's hitting home for us. Six degrees of separation. Hol's close friends; Buck''s D. And Amy - an EMS on a medical transport. Mike's D is an ICU/trauma/ER nurse.

Rehydration is more than water; Add honey, potassium, and calcium. However you can.  Hydration is necessary with a fever.  So is cooling body temp. The season is such right now that a walk outside can counter that.

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« Reply #86 on: March 27, 2020, 11:31:47 AM »
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« Reply #87 on: March 27, 2020, 01:02:06 PM »
So hope everyone will read this article to the end. It isn't long.

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/24/820601571/all-of-this-panic-could-have-been-prevented-author-max-brooks-on-covid-19

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Yes, all the way through, Hops, same situation here.  The World Health Organisation warned this was going to go global in January, if memory serves, and I believe the first case was documented last November?  It would have been possible here to stop any non-essential travel in and out of the country and to quarantine/test everyone coming in for as long as this goes on.  Inconvenient for some, yes, and out of pocket for some as well, but a relatively small number of people compared to the millions being affected now.  They could have, and should have had plans A, B and C in place so they could respond quickly to an outbreak, but instead people have had to rely on Facebook to figure out what to do and then just go for it as best they can - which of course, for some, means buying everything in sight, and for others means carrying on doing what they do, even if they don't need to.  Our government have literally made it up as they went along and as each announcement creates and outcry, they go off and change the policy again.  They sought to protect corporate interests, essentially and on top of that, we have a hideously untrustworthy media and horribly untrustworthy politicians.  So loads of people ignored advice to stay indoors as much as possible because they thought it was just media hype (as I did when I first heard it all because it's the kind of trumped up nonsense they do).  It has shown every flaw in our global function, I think, and I am really hoping this brings about real, positive change now that people have seen how we really all need to work with each other instead of against each other all the time.  The biggest problem we have, I feel, is the number of people in positions of extraordinary power who are there because of the families they were born in to and the schools they attended, rather than because they have the necessary skills and aptitude for these incredibly important jobs xx

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« Reply #88 on: March 29, 2020, 08:56:33 AM »
Well I am feeling like I've just been dropped from a great height.  I've been enjoying being at home - we've got food, we've got plenty to do and most importantly, I feel safe.  We can sit this out.  I'm limiting my news and social media to just enough to keep informed, without getting overloaded and I'm trying not to focus on the negative 'what ifs' and just to assume that we'll come out of this well rested, with lots of jobs at home done and a new appreciation for having the freedom to go out when we want to and easily buy food.

But a friend just rang and took me aback with her approach.  Despite the fact that she works at a day centre for old people and they are now making up meals on wheels deliveries for them all as they can't go out, she is of the opinion that old people should die.  She thinks the virus is a load of fuss about nothing, people die all the time from flu, cancer etc (which is absolutely true, they do) and she isn't adhering to the lock down because she doesn't see why she should.  I was a bit blown away and I'm looking back on the conversation now but, from what I can see, I didn't get angry or upset on the phone, I was saying to her that she should be very careful because it is very bad, they don't have enough beds or equipment and that they would never have locked down the country if it were for no good reason.  She got quite angry with me and I'm not sure why.  I don't claim to be an expert on this but it has been announced here today that they think 20,000 dying in the next few weeks is the best we can hope for.  They've built a new 4,000 bed hospital and two new morgues, and even with that doctors don't think they'll cope.  I have medically minded friends who've both said this is going to be horrific and one friend's daughter, a paramedic, is self isolating as she has symptoms.  She said that people die anyway, which of course they do, but I think the problem with this is that it is/will happen in such a short space of time and it overloads the health service.  Currently the death rate in ICU here is 50/50.  People are, apparently, having to be left to die alone because it's so infectious, so they can't have family or friends in there with them.  Family and friends then have to self isolate in their grief, in case they picked it up as well, and can't arrange funerals with more than five people attending, I think is the current situation.

I pointed out that my son won't make the grade for a ventilator if they don't have enough to go round and that we're quite likely to be completely inside for three months now, if not longer.  Not even going out for walks.  I am aware that people die every day, of course they do, but I don't imagine that anyone wants to die on their own, in pain, knowing that their own family won't be able to gather together to bury them.  Surely no-one thinks that's alright?  Surely most people would avoid that, if they could?  And most people aren't being asked not to go out at all, they're just being asked to only go out if it's essential.  It's not too much of a sacrifice, surely?

The thing that really shook me up is that she got angry with me and then hung up the phone.  I don't understand why she did that.  It's shaken me up and left me feeling quite wobbly.

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« Reply #89 on: March 29, 2020, 09:11:29 AM »
Lighter, I think you might value both of these (especially the video).

Article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/03/28/masks-all-coronavirus/

Video: https://www.consumer.org.hk/ws_en/news/specials/2020/mask-diy-tips.html

(For me, it's just easier to not go out. But I know many folks have to.)

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