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« Reply #75 on: March 22, 2005, 09:23:35 PM »
Hi everyone:

Hello Brigid:

Thankyou so much for saying such nice things about my post.  I can assure you that I don't always say everything in such a way but some days are better than others (depending on brain cell function).  :D

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People are flawed and therefore religions will have flaws as well.


This reminds me of a story that happened to me years ago (which I hope won't be boring but will maybe show how my thinking has....evolved).

I moved to a house that was just down the street from the church.  I was quite excited to think that I could walk to church!  On a nice spring day or a beautiful fall day, or even a crisp winter day, I could walk down the street and be at church (and save the environment by leaving my car at home, and get a bit of excercise to boot!).  Bonus!!

So I went, one Sunday.  I walked into the little church.  I went up the side row of seats and sat near the back.  It felt as if almost all heads turned when I walked in and sat down, just a few minutes before mass would start.  All through the mass, people kept looking at me, oddly, no smiles, just as if I was from outer space, or like I was some derelect, or misfit, or something.  :?  I tried to focus on the mass but it was hard to ignor what became stares and some...smirky looking glances.   :oops: I kept asking myself:

"What are they staring at?  What have I done?  What's wrong with me?"

At first, I thought it might be because it was a small community and no one knew who I was.  But stare??  And smirk?  And look me up and down like a low life??? :shock:

Finally, I realized what the problem was.  Every single woman in that church had a dress on and a hat.

I had worn pants and no hat.  When I was a kid, women always wore dresses and hats to church but this was the mid-80's and that was way out, from my experience at other churches.  Pants, even jeans, were the norm.  After all, we were there to pray, not assess our fashion choices.

Anyway, I felt terribly insulted and angry by the people's rudeness.  I thought:  "What a bunch of hypocrites!  I won't be coming back here!"

And I didn't.  I drove, from then on, to another church, on the other side of town where...guess what....there were lot's of people in jeans and pants. 8)

The point is......it wasn't until years later that I realized those people were not realy hypocrites.  They were just shocked.   :shock:   Everyone wore dresses and hats to church and there I was not conforming.  I did stick out like a sore thumb.  I know, indeed, to be truly Christian, a smile would have gone a long way and have made me feel welcome and accepted and would have been the golden rule way to behave.

But people....in general....have a hard time understanding and excepting those that are different.  This is just the way it is and has always been.  Maybe, had I gone back, they might have accepted me, in time, or at least, some one might have smiled and looked past the pants and no hatness of me.  But I really believe...they were just reacting badly, as we all do, sometimes and this does not represent the total of their behaviour nor their Christianity.  It represents their humanness and their difficulty adapting to change....which most of us have at least some trouble with.

Some might have gone away thinking this was a reflection of the Catholic Church but it wasn't.  It was an example of a group of people, who all knew eachother, who had been doing the same thing for years and years, and their very human, but not very polite, reaction to someone who looked like a rebel to them.  The flaw...was not in the church....but in the people.....who are no less, nor more flawed than any one of us might be...given the correct shock/rebel/sore thumb looking weirdo to deal with.

Anyway....I loved your post too Brigid.  I'm glad your idea of God is not all brimstone and fire and wrath.  I bet he has a sence of humour!  I believe all of that nasty stuff will be reserved for those who truly work to destroy faith, not those who try to keep it or share it or ponder it.

Regardless of demonination or creed.

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« Reply #76 on: March 22, 2005, 09:55:14 PM »
MUM- Thought you might get a laugh out of this.  With all the talk about Mercury Retrogrades, I had to buy a dress shirt today for the funeral, and I had just had some painful dental work done.  Half my mouth was still numb.  I got the shirt home and tried it on.  The sleeves are long enough for a gorilla.  What's more I don't even care.  I am just going to roll up the sleeves before I put my suit coat on, it will just have to do.
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« Reply #77 on: March 22, 2005, 10:04:06 PM »
Good evening one and all,
It is with fear and trepidation that I stick my toe back into this thread but GFN and Brigid's last post has prompted me to.
Everything in this post is only my experience and beliefs. Ignore them if you please. You can even make a target out of them and throw darts at it, or call me a fruity name if you so choose. Thats the great thing about a free country. Not only can we worship as we choose, we can make fun of the way others do also.  :wink: Try that in Saudi Arabia or Iran! :shock:

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It's not worshipping or going to church or proclaiming loyalty to God or religion that will be counted first.....it is how we behave.....how we treat others......how we choose to live....that will carry the weight.


As a Christian I do not believe in organized or ritualistic religion.

My short story. I was an agnostic the first thirty years of my life. I am very very analytical. Some might even say anal-lytical. :?  I believe nothing without reason and rationality. Its just not my nature. I do not accept anything on blind faith.
One day my wife to be, asked me to read the Gospel of John. About half way through, it began to dawn on me that my previous skepticism had been based on ignorance, arrogance and myths about the nature of God. It penetrated my pride and when I was done I had considered His story as valid. But that began the process of research and comparison and reasoning and discovery. A lot of it I didn't understand. I don't understand quantum mechanics either but that doesn't mean electrons don't behave in most peculiar ways. The existence of something hardly depends on my feeble perception of it.
In any event, I eventually learned of the historical accuracy of the bible, of the staggering complexity and subtlety of the actual scriptures, not the caricature of them that is so often presented, often in church. I also saw transformed lives, including my own.
Christianity is at once the simplest of the religions but also the most complex and challenging. Entry is simple and available to all, but once in, it soon becomes apparent that what you have entered is something larger and more incomprehensible than anything you have experienced before. And that vastness is not seen from outside of it. Its like looking at a basketball that has the universe inside of it. I could not truly perceive what it is until I had already stepped into what I barely understood.
Faith is not irrational, I believe it is quite reasonable, more reasonable than when I was agnostic. I have never seen a quasar and I find them hard to understand, but I think it is rational to believe in them. I have weighed the evidence and have found my faith reasonable, rational and in fact considering the utter improbability of the universe and human nature, the only rational explanation for creation.

That's a tiny snippet of what I believe.
If you believe differently, like I said at the top, thats the great thing about a free country. You are perfectly free to be wrong! :lol:  :lol:  :lol: Please shoot no fiery darts my way.

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« Reply #78 on: March 22, 2005, 10:36:07 PM »
Mud puppy-I used to share an apartment with a newly converted christian.  We used to have long discussions on spiritual theory, and never quite connected on a meaningful level.  Then one day he asked me to re-read the new testament, but only read the words of Jesus.  Nothing else.  It was a valuable experience, because I could find no contradiction or fault in my reading, only wisdom and compassion.

There is a Gnostic Text called the "Pistis Sophia".  No one is quite certain where it originated, but it was translated into English, I believe in the 1940s.  It purports to be an intimate spiritual dialogue between Jesus and his apostles.  His mother and Mary Magdalene are also present.  They are asking him direct spiritual questions and he is answering them without parables.

One of the questions that still haunts me, is when one of the apostles asks Jesus where he came from.  His response was that he came from the 13th seat from his father(or 13th level)  Now if you go into revelations you find two references.  One is a reference of the 24 kings that sit at the right hand of god. While 1/3 of the "stars" fell from the sky.  If 24 kings is 2/3, 12 is 1/3.  I contend that the 12 stars that fell were the fallen angels, and Jesus mission was to pull them back up to the throne of god.  It just so happens that astrologically, we all have slightly different proportions of the 12 signs, depending on the positions of the planetary influences.  Remember, the bible says we were made in his image and likeness.  Is it true we are all slightly varied but our roots originate as spiritual prototypes with archetypal qualities?  If so, Jesus' sacrifice was not his death, we all die, many painfully.  His sacrifice was incarnating at all, to bring his brothers back to the father.  I think the fall of the angels created man's existance, however it occured, and the fall of man is our continued separation from the source.  We hear and feel the pull, the call, we just aren't clear how to get there.  Just some speculation.  Nothing more.


P.S.-The four headed beast in revelations is depicted in statuary of the Assyrians.  Each head represents the fixed signs of the zodiac, Taurus=the bull, Leo=the lion, Scorpio=the bird, Aquarius=the man

what is more significant is that contained within each of these signs are stars which the Persians called the Royal Stars.  It just so happens that each of these four stars corresponds to an Archangel.  Taurus=Phanuel and embodies beauty and love.  Leo=Michael and embodies courage and loyalty.  Scorpio=Raphael and embodies healing and spiritual regeneration.  Aquarius=Gabriel and embodies spiritual communication and enlightenment.  

The Christian Rosicrucians believe that all bodies that exist in space were willed into existance by consciousness as a place to manifest.  The higher the vibration level, the higher the spiritual evolution of that consciousness.  To me this means heat.  So where does that leave us with the stars, our sun?  Are these the physical manifestations of the angels, higher spiritual levels?

In the Moslem culture angels are known as genii.  I have been told that the word genii and the word gene are similar for a reason.  I also read once that DNA can be read "Destiny Now Arrives"  I hope this has not offended anyone.  I merely find it very fascinating.  I hope any of you do too.  Otherwise sorry for boring you.


P.P.S.-The four royal stars are also called "The Watchers" and are actually Aldebaran, Regulus, Antares, and Fomelhaut.  I also forgot to mention that Raphael actually translates to healing, or healer.  and any astrologer knows that Scorpios are natural healers.  Astrology is a very deep rabbit hole.
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« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2005, 11:45:12 PM »
Hey, Phillip. I found your post, and Mudpup's, both profound and heartfelt, and not all that contradictory, really, (really).
It is always interesting to hear different perspectives when parties involved are respectful and articulate.  Thanks, guys.

Phillip: Reading your post made my head hurt a little bit, though....my dominant right brain has a hard time with new histoty and informational words and my underacheiving  left brain with new concepts.  It's all sooo complicated!  

But I do have an astrological question: I am a Scorpio, and I do tend to be a healer of sorts (teacher by trade)...however, I know LOTs of people born under that sign who are NOT very similar to me at all....at all!!!  Because of this, I am leery of any generalization regarding "signs" or labels, names of any type, actually..they all seem limiting to me.
I always thought that the sun sign was only one of many astrological influences.....and as such, even to an astrologer, one's sun sign shouldn't be an indicator or predicter of anything by itself, it's only where the sun was.
So I bristle at labels.....probably a Scorpio thing,huh?? :P

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« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2005, 11:51:46 PM »
Mum-There are always variations based on other influences.  But an astrologer will always work with the information at hand.  My teachers could tell a person's sun sign just by the shape of their body features.  It takes alot of practice but the information is there if one has eyes.  By looking at your chart, I might be able to actually tell you what area your healing ability will manifest as.  "as above, so below"  Peace hon
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« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2005, 06:08:16 AM »
Phillip, your wonderful optimistic post on the previous page. :D  I’m thinking of the K-PAX trilogy of novels, where the alien from that beautiful, peaceful planet talks to the psychiatrist about how we’ve got it wrong here (and the psychiatrist attempts to cure him of his delusions). Also ‘Angels over America’ was it called? The mini-series where we realise God’s gone now and we have to manage ourselves, take responsibility for what we’re doing to our species and to the others. I’ve only seen the first Matrix. But there are lots of people who think like you do. I find that comforting. Hope your mouth is recovered!

GFN, I really like your posts too.
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I believe all of that nasty stuff will be reserved for those who truly work to destroy faith, not those who try to keep it or share it or ponder it.
Regardless of demonination or creed.


And hopefully regardless of having a faith at all? I don’t want to destroy faith, I just don’t want to be forced to join, or considered ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’ because I don’t want to. I want to be me. I’d like to understand faith better, but it’s difficult even having a conversation about it in the real world. As a seemingly non-faith person, I’m usually assumed to be anti-faith. It's gotta be black or white it seems.

Mudpup, I liked your post, reason and logic I like too. Faith isn’t logic to me (it may be to you, depends on what we mean by logic etc let’s not do that eh? :wink: ) About this point, you’ve given me an excuse to go on again, thank you :D
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in fact considering the utter improbability of the universe and human nature, the only rational explanation for creation.

My view is we keep looking for absolute answers instead of leaving the questions open. I like things left open so we’re always ready to learn more.

So why is the universe and human nature utterly improbable? That’s our ‘scientific’ view and let’s face it, we know virtually zero about what’s really going on outside our own planet. Correction: we know virtually zero about anything on our own planet too! We are so young, so primitive, locked inside our own thinking patterns. We can’t imagine what it is to think like a tree. Who knows that trees don’t think? We do not know. In our superior arrogance, we think we have the answers. I don’t like that. :x  We know very little but we don’t like to admit it. I admit, I know virtually nothing.

We look for rational explanations. We want answers. I’m not sure that’s necessarily correct. I don’t know what is correct - IF anything needs to be right or wrong. I just wonder why we have to make any decisions at all about these things? Why can’t we just exist in wonder and curiosity as children do?
Why does ‘creation’ need an explanation? :?:

Maybe there was no creation?  :?:

Maybe it’s all existed for ever, outside of time? Remove the human idea of ‘creation’ and you remove any requirement for a creator. I think we’re tinkering with side issues by talking about the Big Bang etc. Just because we experience life as linear (born, live, die) it doesn’t mean that the universe is linear. Time is our idea. The idea of beginnings and ends is our idea. I wish I could find somewhere where I could use this way of thought – then I wouldn’t have to bore your pants off, sorry. It is quite lonely being me, I don’t have a book to follow, or other people who talk like me. If anyone is still with me here, and you can point me somewhere else, hey, I’d love that.

P - Sagittarian, 5 planets in Sagittarius, Moon in Aquarius, rising sign probably Pisces but I can’t remember. But it’s funny how I can spot an Aries within about 10 minutes, just by superficial physical characteristics. Maybe coincidence, maybe more, I don’t know, happy not to make any decisions on the big stuff (does that make me an INFP on big stuff, but an INTJ on daily living? And an INFJ when I’m tuning into other people? :roll:  )

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« Reply #82 on: March 23, 2005, 08:44:15 AM »
Mum,

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my dominant right brain has a hard time with new histoty and informational words and my underacheiving left brain with new concepts. It's all sooo complicated!


Don't worry Mum, my almost non-existent right brain and totally dominant left brain had a hard time processing Phillip's information, too.

I thought Scorpios were ruled by sex--seems like I read that somewhere.  Is that how they heal? :wink:

Phillip, I am not poking fun here as I do believe that astrology has a purpose and very often has been accurate in my life.  I am a Cancer to the nth degree and proud of it (except when my feelings are easily hurt).  :(

Isn't it wonderful that we live in a place that allows us all to have our own opinions and be able to express them freely without repercussions.

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« Reply #83 on: March 23, 2005, 09:22:41 AM »
phillip:

I have read with interest this thread.  My Sunday School class recently had a series on the Gnostic Gospels (and there are many) and the Book of Revelation.  This Book of John is especially difficult inasmuch one would think that John (no relation to Jesus) was tripping on LSD.  

In actually Revelations should be taken in context in the time it was written.  Most folks today reading it think it quite bizarre and hard to understand.  If however, you were living in John's time, were under the Ceasarship of Rome, it would be very understandable.  Most of what is written in the book of Revelaions concerns the realtionship  Christians had at that time to the Government in Rome.

For example the Harlot describe in the Book of Revelations has to do with the description of Rome and the "seven heads" had to do with the seven hills of Rome.  I am not very eurdite on Christianity but have attempted to make a study as a Christian.  Most of the "approved" Gospels were written by the different Gnostic resprensentations of the Gospels at the time.  There were different branches of Gnostics and each had their own take on what Christianity should emphasize.  A lot of other texts have been left out such as the Book of Thomas.  These were left out for one reason or another.  It is  very interesting when you begin to see how the Bible we now have came into being.

I have enjoyed reading your posts.  Patz

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« Reply #84 on: March 23, 2005, 09:44:18 AM »
Hi Phillip and All,

Phillip, you wrote:
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when one of the apostles asks Jesus where he came from. His response was that he came from the 13th seat from his father(or 13th level)


I found that interesting, because I've heard that all things "13" have been avoided and considered "unlucky" because they relate to women.  In effect, women's "cycles" coincide with the moon's phases, and the moon goes through 13 cycles per year.  So, there really should be 13 months per year (and 13 astrological signs?)  I may be full of baloney on this, it's just what I've heard.  Seems to go along with "The Da Vinci Code" stuff though.

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In our superior arrogance, we think we have the answers.


One of the things that has contributed to my fledgling "faith" is a chapter in "The Big Book" of Alcoholics Anonymous called "We Agnostics".  It includes some discussion that relates to Portia's quote.  It is a fascinating read for those of us who are, as Mudpuppy put it, "anal-lytical".  

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I thought Scorpios were ruled by sex


Well, I gotta say that certainly is true for my Scorpio husband, often to my chagrine  :?   (Not that he looks for it outside our marriage, but I can only give so much :shock: )  It was also true for a Scorpio girlfriend I had in high school.  That is one astrological "stereotype" I've seen in action!
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« Reply #85 on: March 23, 2005, 10:17:06 AM »
Just a quick morning note-- really interesting posts!

I would like to put in a vote here for being spiritually curious AND rational/scientific/research oriented. I think that's possible.  

But for me to be both (and I've always been both) I have to abandon the idea of "faith" as the basis of spirituality.  I think this might be what Portia is saying, too-- can she keep what she wonders about in the physical world and also believe in spiritual things?  [Sorry if I got that wrong, Portia?].

For instance, for me (just for little old me, not for anyone else!) I have to believe in evolution, and the big bang (at least for now because evidence all points to it), and all of the historical underpinnings of the writing of the bible (such as who wrote what when, and why-- there are great books on this), and the good and the bad of the people in it (as shown by history) and and and.

I can't believe in anything spiritually that contradicts what I believe rationally and scientifically, and that requires me to suspend any disbelief whatsoever.  I think I'm different from a lot of people in this way?

Like, for instance, no way am I going to believe in a virgin birth.  

The good news is I am utterly spiritual and connected to (what I experience as) god and the universe.   I just have to view a lot of organized religion as metaphorical, not literal, which is how a lot of groups approach it anyway.  Other groups, not so interested in that idea!  I guess I'm lucky this post is anonymous...

The bad news is, I always feel like I'm searching for a community that feels the same way I do.  And I feel a little caught in between, between my friends who are faithful to their religions (whether it is tarot or astrology or christianity or earth-based spirituality or whatever) and my friends who are scientists and reject the idea of god and spirituality  out of hand as just ignorant.

I have a feeling I'm the odd woman out here too
 :(   Ah, well, gotta be true to my feelings!

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« Reply #86 on: March 23, 2005, 10:45:32 AM »
Hello:

Hiya Portia:

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I’d like to understand faith better.


Whenever I want to understand something better, I start by looking it up in the dictionary.

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Faith:

Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.

Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.

Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.

often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.

A set of principles or beliefs.

From:  yourdictionary.com


Faith in God might then be termed:

Confident belief in the truth, value, and trustworthiness of God.

Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

Loyalty/allegiance to God and a secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

You do have a set of principles and beliefs.  So you do have one type of faith.

But you have no faith in God.  You are not confident that it is true that He is...and you don't value or trust Him and you are not secure in any belief/loyalty/allegiance to God or His will, right?

Do your beliefs rest on logical proof and material evidence?  If so, then that's where your faith splits off.....is different.....comes to a hault in regard to God and in regard to the more complete meaning of faith.

Have you read the bible, a historical book?   It may provide some logical proof and material evidence, if that's what you need.
 
Do you trust anyone?  If so, you have faith in that person but there really is no material proof or evidence that the person will always deserve your faith, is there?   But still...you have it...a confidence in that person, a loyalty, allegiance to....belief that they will continue to be truthful and trustworthy and deserving of your faith, right?

You might say:  "Well that person has shown me evidence and material proof of their worthiness of my trust".

Yes.  God has not done that for you?  You can't see it?  There is no proof or evidence of it....therefore it is not so?  It won't happen?  It might happen?   All or none of the above?

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I just don’t want to be forced to join.


That is your desire/choice/what you want and are free to persue.  No one will force you to do anything different.

Faith can't be forced onto you, you have to want it and embrace it.

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....don’t want to be .... considered ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’ because I don’t want to.


By whom?

GFN

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« Reply #87 on: March 23, 2005, 11:20:11 AM »
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....don’t want to be .... considered ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’ because I don’t want to.



By whom?



In my experience, most (not all!) of my friends who are involved in a religious or belief system feel pretty upset if I do not share it.  I think this is a normal human reaction.  But it is true that many religious people see a declaration of lack of faith as a weakness that can be saved-- and they try to fix it or save it or whatever with their own faith.  In general not believing in something is treated as a deficit, to be fixed with argumentation, evidence, testimonials, whatever.   I've received this reaction from people who believe in everything from psychic phenomenon to conservative christianity (not sure what that is a continuum of, but anyway).  It just bugs them that I don't believe-- and I feel so uncomfortable!  Somehow not believing in [whatever] is evidence of lack of imagination or something.

I think this is because whatever state someone is in feels comfortable and useful to them and they'd like to share it with other people.  But I agree with Portia-- it feels really uncomfortable to say (small voice):  I don't always believe in what other people believe.  I know enough about it-- it's not ignorance. It's just a different opinion/feeling.  Not right or wrong. :)

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« Reply #88 on: March 23, 2005, 11:46:58 AM »
Vunil, you said, "I have the feeling I'm the odd woman out here too."  Well, I have to tell you:  "Not so!"  I can totally relate to what you said:

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I can't believe in anything spiritually that contradicts what I believe rationally and scientifically, and that requires me to suspend any disbelief whatsoever....

Like, for instance, no way am I going to believe in a virgin birth.

The good news is I am utterly spiritual and connected to (what I experience as) god and the universe. I just have to view a lot of organized religion as metaphorical, not literal

The bad news is, I always feel like I'm searching for a community that feels the same way I do. And I feel a little caught in between, between my friends who are faithful to their religions (whether it is tarot or astrology or christianity or earth-based spirituality or whatever) and my friends who are scientists and reject the idea of god and spirituality out of hand as just ignorant.


I too was searching for such a community, and am very happy to have found Alcoholics Anonymous.  You might even say I feel lucky to be an alcoholic, because I have a group of people to discuss spirituality with and not have to believe in any particular dogma or book or whatever.  Before that, I felt totally disconnected because I couldn't go to "church, sinagogue, whatever" without feeling like a phony because I could never believe literally in things like immaculate conception, burning bushes, etc.   Now that I've said that, I have to admit to beginning to like (and somehow, against all rationality, believe in) the concept of reincarnation.  Weird!
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« Reply #89 on: March 23, 2005, 11:49:02 AM »
Hello again:

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....my friends who are involved in a religious or belief system feel pretty upset if I do not share it. I think this is a normal human reaction.


I must be abnormal because I don't feel that way at all.  What I feel is a desire to comfort Portia and hope that she is not feeling "wrong or bad" but first.....I want to be sure it's ....people....she's concerned with who think that....and not God.

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...many religious people see a declaration of lack of faith as a weakness that can be saved.


There I go being abnormal again, I guess, because I see a lack of faith as possibly a lack of understanding, or a lack of experience/opportunity, or a lack of information or just a choice.   I have no desire to "save" anyone but I like to be sure they are not feeling "evil" for not having faith.  Some people believe that....which to me......is worse than just about anything.

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It just bugs them that I don't believe-- and I feel so uncomfortable!


I understand, I think.  Like me....at that church....and my dresslessness and hatlessness.  How out of place!   Strange!  Weird of me.

I don't think that about you or anyone else who does not believe in God or who say they don't want to have faith.  I respect your choice.

But if you ask.....if you say:  "I would like to understand faith", then I have a desire to do my best to share what helps me/my ideas of it....which might be a consideration or may be worthless.

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Somehow not believing in [whatever] is evidence of lack of imagination or something.


Do many of your friends really say this?  No wonder you feel uncomfortable. :( That is sad.  I'm sure you have plenty of imagination and that is not very nice of them, if they say that, or imply it.

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...it feels really uncomfortable to say (small voice): I don't always believe in what other people believe. I know enough about it-- it's not ignorance. It's just a different opinion/feeling. Not right or wrong.


Boy!  Can I relate to that statement because I have a few opinions and feelings that are different than many people have expressed and which have been clearly rejected and proclaimed to be wrong. :shock:
How do they know that?

I still say....it doesn't matter what you believe....it's what you do that counts.  For me, faith is a bonus.

GFN