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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2005, 06:00:38 PM »
Lovelylilac,
You describe the place where your self acceptance problem shows up as when you interact in a group. How do you do one on one?
I have stated many times on this board I have no experience with therapy, but you sound like a person who could be really helped by it. You sound like you know yourself and how you got where you are very well. It sounds like if you had a guide or an ally to show you the skills and methods for dealing with the way you react to people and maybe rooting out the way you reacted to your mom you could make a lot of progress.

You're already half way there. You have a lot more self knowlege than most people. If you had someone who could over time help you transform that self knowledge into self acceptance you could see your life transformed. Its pretty tough to do that on your own.

I can tell you, you sound very articulate and sweet. I know that doesn't help any, but it is true.
I'll pray for you and I hope you have a 'lovely' :wink: Easter.

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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2005, 06:03:56 PM »
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When I start to think this way, I lose focus of the big picture and of reality.  The truth of the matter is, they are not better than me and I'm not worse off than them.  They are as imperfect as I am.  But when I'm in the situation, the force of not measuring up just takes over my thinking, my self-perception, and even my emotions.  I don't know how to override this unnecessary thinking process in the heat of the moment.


Lovelylilac,

I'm wondering whether you have a sort of panic attack. If so, there are ways to help calm yourself. Losing the ability to think is pretty scary and I can see how you may dread this happening. So it might even be a vicious cycle of being scared, losing ability to think clearly, getting even more terrified, panicking, feeling more helpless and bad about yourself, etc. Does this resonate at all...?

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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2005, 06:24:51 PM »
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I'm wondering whether you have a sort of panic attack.


That's what I was thinking. I am usually self confident in every situation right up until I have to speak in front of a large group. Then I lose focus, figure I'm gonna mess up, which causes me to lose more focus and screw up more. That sounds like what you were describing LL, and if that is the way you feel interacting with others I can see why you are upset. It is hard to deal with. For me the solution is easy, I just avoid giving speeches, but its kind of hard to avoid just interacting with people.

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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2005, 09:16:51 PM »
Thank you Mudpup and Bunny for those encouraging words.  You are right, i could greatly benefit from a therapist.  I want so much for my life to be transformed, in the sense of finding myself and being the person I was meant to be.  In many ways, I feel like a flower that has not been able to fully bloom b/c this problem i have is holding me back.  I know I have potential to be happier and lead a more fulfilling life.  But I feel my true self is buried deep within the muddle of self-doubt and lack of self-acceptance.  I know it's possible for me to gain them, I just don't know how.  

Given my present situation, it's not feasible for me to go to a therapist.  If I could find a good therapist that does volunteer work, that would be a heaven sent.  I think what's ideal for me at this point in my life is have online counseling with a therapist.  But I don't know how that is possible.  I know there are therapists who provide online service, but paying for it is out of the question for me.  Being a college student, i'm broke  :lol: I've never shared so much about my inner feelings as I have on this board.  You just don't know how much it means to me to those who respond to my postings! :D You're words of encouragement and insight really go a long way for me!!!  Just want you to know, I'm not all about wanting to hear only sweet and positive words.  I want to hear hard truth.  I appreciate ruthless truth over sugarcoated nice sounding words anyday :wink:

For me, it's not so much being with a group of ppl that cause me to feel tense, it's the thought process I've described that leads me down the path of mental frazzleness.  I could be with just one person or 20 ppl and still feel that way.  Neither do I get into a panic attack.  Cuz I appear quite calm and collected to others.  I'm just really quiet and reserved when I start to have that mentality.  I also realize how much meaningful conversation I am missing b/c I feel the way I do around ppl.  I just feel a deep sense of lost of meaningful relationships with ppl b/c I can't seem to get pass the superficiality, which is caused by my perception.

Happy Easter, Everyone!!!  

And thanks for keeping me in your prayers!  I believe in the Author of prayers.

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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2005, 10:38:17 PM »
Ll, it sounds like you already have some idea where this comes from for you from your mother.  How about as a start, refuse to beat up on yourself.  Yeah, I know harder than it sounds.  :)  Just feel whatever you feel and accept it as how you feel in the moment and say something like "I wonder what perfectly good reason I have to feel that way?"  Lilac is my favorite flower (never shared that before this place, it feels like a very intimate secret to me).  It makes me angry to think about a Lilac meing mistreated.  :x
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2005, 11:29:15 PM »
Nice to hear from you, Longtire.  My name is Kheng.  You can address me by my real name or my username.  Either way is fine with me...whatever floats your boat will float mine, too.:wink:

Lilacs are very lovely flowers, aren't they.  They are my favorite, too.  The scent is so sweet, and they are quite lovely to look at :D I don't feel angry or beat myself up over my present circumstance.  But then again, if I'm depressed then maybe I am angry? :? Because, depression is anger turned inside out, right?  I think I feel a deep sense of lost and disappointment at the way my life has turn out more than anything else.  I feel this struggle I have has depleted my life's account of an enriching life I could be having.  I just feel so poor of life's richess.  Do I sound like I'm pitying myself?

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« Reply #21 on: March 27, 2005, 10:02:45 AM »
Hello again LL, the lilacs in my garden are just starting to come into leaf and now I think of your name when I see them. :D

If you're in your 20s now, this can be an odd time for anyone, finding your way in life. Maybe you're older. But however old you are, there's still a lot of life ahead of you to discover those treasures, it's not over yet.

Questions I'd like to ask, do you have one or two close friends you can really talk to? Have you had love relationships and if so, how have they been for you? I wonder how close you are to individual people...maybe you don't allow yourself to get close for fear of being controlled (like your mother did)?

Once you get to understand a little about how other people tick underneath, they're not so scary. And you see through the superficial stuff and find that many people feel just the same as you do. Many people do feel as you do, it's not you alone....(speaking from experience!)
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« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2005, 07:08:22 PM »
Hi LL,

Maybe accepting yourself is just that: accepting your SELF? I know how hard that can be (I'm a long way from doing anthing of the sort  :lol: ) That doesn't have to mean tolerating the bad things about yourself IMO, but beginning at a place where you are not perfect, and you don't have to be, but there are good things about you. NOT accepting yourself is also bad, cause it makes you powerless. Accepting that there are things about yourself that you want to change is also part of the package  :wink: But lilacs are lovely flowers, and you are lovely too. Don't worry about  "missing out" of life's riches. (Don't get me wrong: I'm a paranoid-android, SEVERELY depressed for 7 yrs, depressed for much longer than that) I know how it feels to feel that you are missing out. But don't give up. Find the strength and you will find the way. :wink:

Not sure if that has the remotest bearing on what you were asking!

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« Reply #23 on: March 27, 2005, 07:09:48 PM »
Sorry LL,

Didn't mean to say "tolerating the bad things" but tolerating the things you don't like about yourself. :oops:

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« Reply #24 on: March 27, 2005, 08:03:46 PM »
It's been my experience that sharing my personal struggles with friends have backfired on me.  The outcome didn't turn out the way I had hoped.  I think b/c when I shared such things, the dynamic of our friendship changed, for they no longer see me the same way as before I shared with them.  They see me in a different light.  In a sense, I feel they see me as helpless and one needing help.  So from those experiences, I learn to keep my vulnerabilities to myself or share them with ppl who would be objective toward me.  My friends mean no harm, it's just that it leaves them feeling helpless, uncomfortable, and even awkward.  And I think, as a result, they think of me less.  

Until I joined this board, I've kept my feelings all to myself.  I didn't give my hurts a voice.  I even downplayed them.  So in many ways, they have been repressed and unacknowledged by me.  Now, I realized how important it is to give my feelings a voice and validation.

The statement of everybody being the scared and vulnerable when looked beyond the superficial is a very good point.  I know underneath the outer appearance, we are all the same.  Imperfection and vulnerability are commonalities we all have as humans.  It's just that some ppl have better self-preservation skills than others.  One of my problems is that I have tunnel vision when it comes to seeing myself and seeing others.  And I struggle with being afraid what others think about me or upsetting them.  When I sense ppl have positive thoughts about me, I feel good about myself, i feel validated.  But when I sense they have negative feelings or thoughts about me, then I feel aweful and think I did something wrong.  Maybe i feel this way, b/c i can't bear being disapproved and rejected by others.  When I feel others have negative thoughts about me based on what I say, then I associate that as a form of disapproval and invalidation.  Maybe, I try to avoid such strong negative feelings while sabotaging my own self-preservation b/c of the hurt I felt growing up feeling disapproval from my mother when I did something she did not approve of.  I'm not sure  :? I rather disapprove and reject myself before having others disapprove of me.  It should be the opposite, right? :oops: This misdirected need I have prevents me from interacting with ppl beyond the superficial :(  And leaves me being shallow with my feelings and thoughts and shallow with the level of communicatio with others.  I think it would do me much good if I can do the reverse.  This mindset leaves me feeling weak and insecure.  Now, it goes without saying that everybody needs to feel approved and validated.  I think that's what we all need and want.  But how do I go about meeting those needs from me and not others?  How do I rechannel or redirect my needs from within and not from without?  I think if I can learn how to do this, my life would be transformed, b/c my mind would be liberated from feeling a deep need for approval from others or from my performance.

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« Reply #25 on: March 27, 2005, 08:27:46 PM »
Hi Kheng! :)
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It's been my experience that sharing my personal struggles with friends have backfired on me.  The outcome didn't turn out the way I had hoped.  I think b/c when I shared such things, the dynamic of our friendship changed, for they no longer see me the same way as before I shared with them.  They see me in a different light.  In a sense, I feel they see me as helpless and one needing help.  So from those experiences, I learn to keep my vulnerabilities to myself or share them with ppl who would be objective toward me.  My friends mean no harm, it's just that it leaves them feeling helpless, uncomfortable, and even awkward.  And I think, as a result, they think of me less.

There are only 3 of my friends that I feel comfortable sharing on this level with.  In each of those cases, it was a progression from more superficial things to deeper and deeper sharing.  Not everyone is able or willing to do this.  I respect that and don't push my stuff or try to pull their stuff.  I would tell them something small, just a little bit deeper than what they already knew.  If they kept talking about it, or shared something of their own, then I kept going, slowly over a period of time.  If they didn't really respond then I dropped it and just enjoyed their company.  

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Until I joined this board, I've kept my feelings all to myself.  I didn't give my hurts a voice.  I even downplayed them.  So in many ways, they have been repressed and unacknowledged by me.  Now, I realized how important it is to give my feelings a voice and validation.

Yes, and the pressure to ackowledge and release all of that only gets stronger with time.  Let it out with someone (or someones :)) who is safe as soon as you are ready.  Tough to do at first, but it gets easier with practice.
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« Reply #26 on: March 27, 2005, 08:49:18 PM »
Lovelylilac,

We all need approval and validation from others. Humans are social animals. We can't get all validation just from ourselves. We have a feedback loop of information coming from outside, inside, outside, inside. Realistically, we will receive a certain percentage of negative outside feedback. The reasons are (a) someone is in a bad mood and hates everyone including us; (b) someone is bitter and angry all the time and takes it out on us; (c) someone just looks at us and dislikes us on sight; (d) they just "aren't into us"; (e) many other whimsical reasons. But the bottom line is we won't be liked unanimously. We all need and want approval, but how to manage the times when disapproval and dislike comes our way? Or just a lack of approval?

Again I think a therapist or counselor would really help. Your college doesn't have that resource?

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