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Greta

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2005, 11:42:39 AM »
Vunil, your thread is making me think about a lot of things.  It is creepy how completely my family has submerged all the trauma in their lives--and it is confusing, because the outside world thinks they are fine.  My nmother's parents let a 17 year old boy go into her room for over a year, when she was 12--this was 1955!  He was molesting her, and when she finally told her parents, they didn't do anything.  He was the nephew of their minister and they just let it keep happening.  When my father left my mother, she melted down, and took in a 17 year old runaway who was sociopathic, basically reproducing her own abuse again, but putting me and my sister in danger too.  I know something happened to my sister, that this boy must have attacked her--my sister absolutely refuses to talk about it except to say she's forgiven my mother.  And my mother says she's not angry at her parents for not protecting her.  When all this stuff is bubbling under the surface, and no one talking about it, sometimes I feel crazy.  My nfather's parents were highly troubled too, and he diverts it all into obsessively reconstructing the biographies of emotionally disturbed writers(he's an English professor).  Once I asked him if he was going to write a memoir and he said no, because his life wasn't interesting(in actuality my relatives have all the makings of a southern gothic novel).  This is bizarre coming from a man that thinks everything he does is grandiose and special--there's some major blocking out of trauma.  I've started writing my own memoir, just to express some of this craziness, to find my voice.

vunil

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« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2005, 11:56:11 AM »
wow, Greta.

It is pretty clear YOU aren't the crazy one!  

Now that I am having my own child I absolutely (1) do not understand, and (2) have zero patience for these parents who put their children in such danger.  It is the height of immoral.

And it makes it really tough to know how to be the child of people like that.  Greta, Paz, how do you negotiate it?  I am having trouble now, remembering everything, feeling anything besides utter rejection and contempt for them.

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« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2005, 12:23:31 PM »
Kaz,  I'm very sorry about your brother. I hope he'll get help for himself. It's tragic if he suffers for the rest of his life when he doesn't have to. Confronting the parents is usually a waste of time as they generally deny everything, then turn nasty on the victim.

Greta, Your parents sound quite bizarre. I don't think they can talk about it because they don't even know what normal is.

Vunil, Your mom did the, "she's bringing it up, I have to shut her down" thing. See, they will ENACT the molestation by putting their child at risk but they won't TALK ABOUT IT. People who are deeply disturbed are not good at thinking, reflecting, making connections, or understanding symbolic acts. It all gets acted out concretely. This is the infantile aspect of them. You can't discuss this except to say, "I was molested, you allowed it, and there is nothing to discuss. I'm just telling you I know about it and it will not happen to my baby." They can only understand very simple statements like that.

Your baby would be fine around them as long as you are present. Just don't leave him/her alone with them because they aren't safe. Maybe under supervision it's ok.

Some parents are unqualified for the job and should never have had children. But they did, and you are here. And we're happy about that.

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Lara

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« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2005, 02:09:38 PM »
What Bunny wrote about 'people who are deeply disturbed are ....not good at making connections'  is so helpful in making sense of their otherwise weird actions. This explains why there is no consistency in what they say and do from one day to the next;why they don't relate their own experiences, or their emotions in a particular situation, to anyone else's; why they can return to a person whom they have deeply hurt, and expect everything to be hunky-dory.

Thanks Bunny, I learn such a lot from you, and thanks Vunil for starting this very helpful thread.

Sincerely,
Lara.

Stormchild Guesting

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« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2005, 02:42:15 PM »
Quote from: Lara
What Bunny wrote about 'people who are deeply disturbed are ....not good at making connections'  is so helpful in making sense of their otherwise weird actions. This explains why there is no consistency in what they say and do from one day to the next;why they don't relate their own experiences, or their emotions in a particular situation, to anyone else's; why they can return to a person whom they have deeply hurt, and expect everything to be hunky-dory.

Thanks Bunny, I learn such a lot from you, and thanks Vunil for starting this very helpful thread.

Sincerely,
Lara.


Lara, I've pulled this onto my desktop to refer to when I need it. Thanks for stating it so succintly.

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vunil

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« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2005, 03:37:07 PM »
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Vunil, Your mom did the, "she's bringing it up, I have to shut her down" thing. See, they will ENACT the molestation by putting their child at risk but they won't TALK ABOUT IT. People who are deeply disturbed are not good at thinking, reflecting, making connections, or understanding symbolic acts. It all gets acted out concretely. This is the infantile aspect of them. You can't discuss this except to say, "I was molested, you allowed it, and there is nothing to discuss. I'm just telling you I know about it and it will not happen to my baby." They can only understand very simple statements like that.


Bunny, this is so insightful.  I think you come by these insights naturally, but I know you also read a lot.  Is there anything I could read that talks about these ideas?  I can read fairly technical psych. stuff (doesn't have to be a lay book) and I like that kind of thing.  Somehow I think I need lots of sentences like this, drilled into my poor little brain!

Anonymous

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« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2005, 04:32:56 PM »
Vunil,

Here is a start. Go to this website and read the articles by Peter Fonagy. He is one smart guy.

http://psychematters.com/papers.htm


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Kaz

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« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2005, 09:12:54 PM »
Vunil, I never asked her about it directly, and I don't want to either unless it would benefit my brother somehow. He's the one who's suffering not her, she lives in her own little N world and nothing touches her.

Bunny, unfortunately my relationship with my brother took a dive for the worse a couple of years ago when he was starting to dump his anger on me and my kids. He knows that my door is always open to him but until now he hasn't been able to talk to me.
He attempted to get some help through a Freudian analyst about 10 years ago about a dream that he had. I say 'attempted' because (I think) he could not bring himself to admit that he needed help and had to create a reason to see this person. He was not happy with the analyst because she wanted to explore things further. He ran like a rabbit.
I don't know if he's had any further help in the last 2 years, I really hope that he has.