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Are you Pretty?
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2005, 09:52:56 PM »
Please store these words in a safe, easy to access place in your heart, and let them fill up all the holes left there by an empty mother!!!
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Thank you GFN.  I will.  I would have responded sooner but I was at the chiropractor recovering from the whiplash I sustained from your bracing slaps.  Just kidding.   :lol:

Of course you are right.  And the top of my head knows it.  It is just that pesky bottom of my heart that persists in mirroring all the bad messages.  But since you lay it all out so clearly, it is going to be very easy to replay and correct that faulty reasoning in future.

Today I had a conversation with my mom.  I have finally realized the glaringly obvious:  she tries to divide and conquer my sister and me.  She was going on about some money my sister owes me and then she said that when she dies she will make sure I get more in order to make up for it.  (As if she has some vast estate.)  I told her that if she did that, it would lay the foundation for a lifelong rift between me and my only surviving close relative, and that money was not that important to me and I did not want her to do that.  She was so surprised she did not have a response!  For once!  Yaye!  

She went on to talk about the deep dark secrets my sister must have which explains why she cannot save any money.  (In fact, my sister doesn't make that much and she does have a shopping habit.  Nothing too bizarre.)  She brought up things my sister did in college (long, long ago) and mentioned the fact that she did not respond to my mother's accusations as PROOF that she is doing something mysterious and underhanded.

And I also sidestepped the bait about lamenting her death!  Yaye yaye!

Oh how enlightened I feel!  Man how obvious it all is now!  And now I can avoid being a club my mom uses to beat my sister with!  Yaye yaye yaye!

Feeling really
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Are you Pretty?
« Reply #46 on: June 22, 2005, 10:36:13 PM »
Hi Plucky:

Sorry about the whiplash!  Glad there are chiropractors to fix things up!

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She was so surprised she did not have a response! For once! Yaye


Isn't it great saying something that leaves them speachless like that?
Happens to me so rarely but awwwwwwwwww.....the memory! :D

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And now I can avoid being a club my mom uses to beat my sister with! Yaye yaye yaye!


Thata girl!  (I'm seeing a hairless toothless cave woman swinging a club and missing, every time from now on! :D )

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...it is going to be very easy to replay and correct that faulty reasoning in future.


So glad to hear this.  Keep playing the new tape.  You are valuable, lovable, worthy.....absolutely!!

Also so glad you're feeling courageous in such trying circumstances!!
Go go girlie!!

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« Reply #47 on: July 11, 2005, 07:28:57 PM »
Wow- what a painful and loaded topic for any woman!! I don't think any one of us is truly satisfied with her looks- models and beauty queens etc. incl. My N mother always told me I was " retarded and would never hold a job or be able to live on my own"( have dyslexia, am a nurse X 20 yrs and lo and behold! function quite nicely on my own!!- the best revenge!). She also repeatedly told me I was " fat". I was a serious nationally ranked swimmer for many yrs as pre teen and teen. weight was under what average is for my build and am still thin. She would loudly and publicly in any forum discuss my " weight problem". She would restrict my food even though I was training 4 hrs a day. My ex N always told me I was " beautiful... for MY AGE( he's fixated on 19 yr. old blondes with big tits- I'm 46, black hair and no big tits!). I modelled for years and he used to tell me he " went out with REAL models...worked for vogue etc". I recently- before I kicked him to the curb- had been ill and in and out of hospital for several weeks thus losing significant weight. At that time he looked at me with open disgust and told me I had the sex appeal of a boy> At that point in time what with his withholding sex and being sexually sadistic( is somatic N and a recently diagnosed sex addict)- I had stopped even being near him or sharing my bed physically ( his new friend was the sofa and his computer porn and masturbating- actually the real and only new friend was the sofa! ). He left me a message a few days ago telling me he allegedly is dating a 18 yr. old blonde large breasted stripper! even though I can look in the mirror and see I look great I've now gone back to ruminating about alll the abusive things my N mother told me for yrs. I'm working on myself- inside, not outside!- and am only interested in getting my life back on track. I have absolutely no interest in men or sex at this time and frankly that is A OK with me! I feel for women because all Western societies promote completely unattainable " beauty" and bombard us with images that don't represent the average woman remotely. sorry to you Barbies out there! Just kidding! I think it's vital to heal your inside and that will somewhat- hopefully completely- may not be achievable- let you look in the mirror and smile. It's definately soul scarring. Thanks for addressing this topic.
I've just ended abusive relationship of 1 yr. with male narcissist. I cycle between stages of anger and grieving and have accepted it. Hope I've alienated him so he won't recontact me- is this possible?     Moira

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Re: Are you Pretty?
« Reply #48 on: July 11, 2005, 09:49:09 PM »
Hi Moira:

Sorry for all you've been through and for all of the pain that has caused you.  You sound like a very determined person and that's a good thing.  You will heal from this!

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He left me a message a few days ago telling me he allegedly is dating a 18 yr. old blonde large breasted stripper!

Well!  Doesn't that just beat a beautiful, dark haired, decent, professional woman by such a long shot eh?  He lacks good taste.

Wonder what he'll find next?  A nice experienced lady of the night?

Who cares??? :D

He's the loser who doesn't know what he's lost.

I'm curious Moira....did you answer his message? 

Be strong and resist the temptation if he leaves any more messages!  Post here if you need to, as much as you need to and forget this jerk!

He isn't worth the time it takes to dial the numbers.

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Re: Are you Pretty?
« Reply #49 on: July 11, 2005, 11:00:06 PM »
He left me a message a few days ago telling me he allegedly is dating a 18 yr. old blonde large breasted stripper!

If he's so happy, why doesn't he just enjoy his life without making announcements to you? It's just another sadistic move. Allegedly is definitely the key word here.

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« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2005, 04:13:34 AM »
This is not only for women.  If your parent was N, what did that do to your opinion of your attractiveness?  During that critical teen period?  When finding a mate?  Now?

Oh my god! That is the biggest, most triggering and angering word for me. Not angry at you. :)

When I was a young child I asked my Nmother if I was beautiful. She paused, looked away from me, took a deep breath and then said to me, "no, but you're pretty."

Since then "pretty" has been almost a swear word for me. I was not reflected in my Nmother's eyes therefore I had no sense of what "pretty" meant. I only felt it must be something horrible because I was a human wrong rather than a human being.

I never had a weight problem as a child, adolescent or young adult. Yet my brothers teased me unmercifully saying I was fat, singing nasty songs to me and my friends, and telling me I needed to go on a diet.

I didn't date until I turned 19.

As an adult I remember some guy buying the song, "You are so beautiful to me, can't you see." All I could say over and over in my mind was, 'no, I can't see.'

Obviously I still struggle with it - there, I can't even say 'it.'

People have told me I am beautiful but I can't see it. And pretty -- ugh! That word. Pretty stupid. Pretty fat. Pretty dumb. No one ever said you're beautiful fat. Beautiful stupid. Beautiful dumb. Now did they? :(  :x
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« Reply #51 on: July 12, 2005, 06:36:17 AM »
Wow, this topic really touches on a lot.  Self-criticism about my appearance began young for me.  I never felt remotely pretty. I was the ugly product of a beautiful, hard-edged, glittering, status-driven Nmother.  When I was 17 I had a kind of breakdown when I was away at boarding school; long-buried abuse memories had began to surface and I couldn't stop from crying.  I got sent home to my Nmother.  Her maternal 'wisdom' was to hand me newspaper cuttings about liposuction and suggest that things would be better for me if I had a nose-job. 

As I have got older, I realise that a sense of attractiveness is directly related to self esteem.  Whilst not feeling exactly attractive, I have a more realistic view of my appearance, that does not have me angsting in front of the mirror berating my appearance like it used to.  Ultimately one has to try to feel better within, as it will emanate outwards. Its about working on building up one's core, and the outside will follow. Its about caring for oneself as if you are valuable, not as the worthless possession of a narcissist.

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Re: Are you Pretty?
« Reply #52 on: July 12, 2005, 07:18:27 AM »
This is such a tough topic for us. Although I replied earlier it is worth saying again.  Even beauty queens and stud muffins are insecure about their looks.  At this stage of the game I believe health is the most attractive attitude you can wear.  WHen you feel good inside and out, you look good.  It's all in the attitude.  I see it so clearly in myself.  WHen the dark cloud of (whatever) is hanging over me I dont look that good.  If I feel confident, I glow. FOcusing on our perceived physical imperfections is a cruel, self defeating game as we all have them.  Even to top flight models have something they dont like about themselves.

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« Reply #53 on: July 12, 2005, 01:42:21 PM »
Dear Daylily,
I am new here, and have a lot of questions for everyone in the future, but I wanted to respond.  I am jewish, and one of the many beautiful traditions in this faith is the Ayshes Chayil hymn (a woman of valor), read by the husband to his wife on the eve of the Sabbath.  It goes like this:

"Who can find a wife of excellence?  Her value far exceeds that of gems.  The heart of her husband trusts in her, he lacks no gain.  She treats him with goodness, never with evil. all the days of her life.  She seeks out wool and flax, and works willingly with her hands.  She is like the merchant ships; she brings her food from afar.  She rises while it is still night, gives food to her household, and sets out the tasks for her maids.  She considers a field and buys it; from her earnings she plants a vineyard.  She girds her loins with strength, and flexes her arms.  She realizes that her enterprise is profitable; her lamp does not go out at night.  She puts her hands on the spindle, and her palms grasp the distaff.  She holds out her hand to the poor, and extends her hands to the destitute.  She does not fear for her household in the frost, for her entire household is clothed warmly in scarlet.  She makes her own tapestries; her garments are of fine linen and purple  Her husband is well known at the gates, as he sits with the elders of the land.  She makes linens and sells them; she provides the merchants with girdles.  Strength and dignity are her garb, she looks smilingly toward the future.  She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.  She watches the conduct of her household, and does not eat the bread of idleness.  Her children rise and acclaim her, her husband- and he praises her: Many daughters have done worthily, but you surpass them all.  Charm is deceptive and beauty is naught; a G-d-fearing woman is the one to be praised.  Give her praise for her accomplishments, and let her deeds laud her at the gates." 

So, charm is deceptive, and beauty is naught.  That doesn't mean those things aren't nice, they're just not important in the grand scheme.   Many young orthodox jewish boys today still want a pretty bride, however the ideal in the teaching is one that develops and matures as does the relationship, and as the hymn is read from week to week.  This hymn acknowledges the fact that we are often taken in by beauty, but in a marriage, beauty is surly not enough to keep a household going.  I don't know if you belive in G-d, but it may help you to really believe and know that there are a lot of people whose life experiences has taught them that judging a person solely on their outward appearance can be a big mistake.   And lastly, may I add that my impressions of you from reading your posts is of a beautiful soul.

Vickie

P.S.  Sometimes I feel pretty, and other times I don't.  I am average/decent-enough looking, but can look nice when I try.  When I am in a good frame of mind I have more desire to look my best, and when I am tired or depressed I just don't care about it.   I think this may be typical. 

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« Reply #54 on: July 12, 2005, 02:13:15 PM »
Vickie...That was a beautiful post and Welcome! 

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« Reply #55 on: July 12, 2005, 07:43:35 PM »
Hi Sela! Thanks for your support! Hell no, I have no intention of calling him. In fact I'm relishing in my own sadistic way!- the " possibility" this may in fact be true- his allegedly dating teeny bopper stipper. He's told me in the past every stripper, hooker etc. he's ever been involved with has ripped him off- stolen money and drugs- obviously his only bargaining chips( is now a sad sack of shit- 52 yrs old and looks older...no job, no money and therefore can't buy drugs). Of course he delusionally believes all these sex trade workers were with him " because he's a great guy...treated them like girlfriends...they all loved his big dick..." He couldn't have a dick big enough to remotely compensate for his abusive behaviour!!! I should know!! The only statement he's made that is the truth is that he treated all his sex trade workers like " girlfriends"! At least they got money in exchange and only had to endure his twisted behaviour for very limited amount of time!
I've just ended abusive relationship of 1 yr. with male narcissist. I cycle between stages of anger and grieving and have accepted it. Hope I've alienated him so he won't recontact me- is this possible?     Moira

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« Reply #56 on: July 12, 2005, 08:27:21 PM »
Dear Vickie,

Thank you more than I can say.  I love that passage, and I try to take it to heart.  But more than reminding me to remember it, you gave me something equally beautiful--a piece of your time and your spirit.  That, too, is priceless, and I believe it demonstrates that you are the type of woman that passage describes.

Welcome.  I have received so much here, and I can offer so little.  But I am deeply grateful for your post, and I hope I can get to know you better.

best,
daylily

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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2005, 10:43:40 AM »
Hi Moira:

You're very welcome for the support!  I'm glad you're not answering him!  That's wonderful!

Are you thinking about blocking his messages or deleting them before reading/listening?  Would that help you to disconnect further from him, distance yourself from him?

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At least they got money in exchange and only had to endure his twisted behaviour for very limited amount of time!

These messages to you are twisted and manipulative.  You don't have to endure any more at all.

Those girls get money because that is their profession.  It's sad that they are so desperate or whatever.  I don't think you are anywhere near on the same channel. 

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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2005, 05:41:51 PM »
Hi Sela! I'm not listening at all to phone messages- like I did a few weeks ago- am now immediately deleting them as soon as I hear his voice. Have also returned letters without opening to " sender". Am not reading emails- automatically delete. Feels pretty good to get on top of my OCD!!! What has really helped is reconnecting to my former life in every way. How fantastic to see old neglected friends, go out, meet new people, get back into books and art, and am now signing up for some classes!! Living a full life with my smile back is the best revenge! Re: the stripper bit- as I think I said before, it does make me smile that my predator may have actually ( although not remotely possible- unless said stripper is brain damaged and blind and doesn't speak English!) hooked up with another predator!!! Karma!!! I'm also not feeling sorry for him- he is what he is and the one truthful thing he said to me before lmy kicking him out was " I created chaos, fed it and thrived on it...I'm sorry...IT WAS SEF DESTRUCTIVE". The first part is true and would be insightful if he were remotely capable of insight!- but I love the typical N twist about the alleged appology that he's sorry for HIMSELF for being self destructive. What a surprise that I didn't even factor into that appology eh?! As to me not being remotely like his sex addict women- hee hee- if I were, I'd be rich cause I sure as hell wouldn't be sleeping with him for his looks, money( what money?) or alleged big dick!!!  Take care!
I've just ended abusive relationship of 1 yr. with male narcissist. I cycle between stages of anger and grieving and have accepted it. Hope I've alienated him so he won't recontact me- is this possible?     Moira

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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2005, 11:15:12 PM »
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.....am now immediately deleting them as soon as I hear his voice. Have also returned letters without opening to " sender". Am not reading emails- automatically delete...

Good for you Moira for all of this.  It must be difficult, sometimes, because I'm sure curiosity will kick in once and awhile.  I'm so happy to hear that you are getting reconnected to friends and doing the things you like.  That is wonderful!

You are an inspiration!

 :D Sela