breaches....of conduct; shame; guilt in context of narcissism

[d'smom]

you 'wrote':
and with daylily I would beg to differ that I have not ever clearly said what are my concerns…
but I find in tracking such down, there would be just more and more and even after clearly making
a point and as if it is understood, I am fascinated too…how then it can come on hotter and heavier
despite when some say they got the point J


ok, here is the deal. (for me.) from my point of view, communication is indeed a two way street. its like a contract. there must be a -meeting of the minds- or it wasnt comunication. it was just BLATHERING. see the difference? if someone asks you your concerns, and you bleieve you stated them, but the person then asks 'would you repeat that please i didnt quite get it' or 'id like more understanding of your point of view' then that means -there was no communication-. there needs to be more information given for that person to 'get' what you are communicating.  whether you didnt say it clearly, or they didnt hear it clearly, communication did not occur. then it behooves one or the other participant to continue trying until there is actually a connection made, that is COMMUNICATION.

if the first person wants to be cute and say 'well i told you and i dont feel like looking it up again' thats great but, thats not communication. thats just mental jerking-off and on the internet, trolling.


you continue:
and someway d’s mom thinks I was being honest when I said I was a chimp…
actually I am not J
and as to d’s mom  that I can start to open up…that is assuming that there was no opening up? J


no, i dont think there was any opening up. i think you are just dancing around like a troll, and you have officially lost -my- interest. i was willing to give you a chance becuase even people who are extremely mentally disordered are capable of communicating IF THEY TRY and if they are willing to. but i dont think you are. i think you are both mentally disordered and also just trolling us. so go ahead, post as much as you want, but ive lost interest and i will go back to ignoring everything you say just like i did before. have a happy life alone in your brain. must be fun.


oh ps: just so you dont think i am kidding, i want to tell you a story of another list i was on awhile back. there we were with a loving happy community. well into this midst came a destructive, aggressive, irritating troll. now you are not anywhere near like this guy. he was really violent. he stalked us all mercilessly. he was a violent troll. you are just mildly annoying.   but this guy was vicious and aggressive. well we tried at first to give him a chance. we tried to get him to open up. we tried to get him to communicate with us. a lot longer than i will be trying with you.

after a few months of his violent, pornographic assaults (which are =not= like you, you are just irritating, he was violent) we got sick of it. computer people on the list tracked down his IP address. we found out where he was posting from. we found out where he lived.  we found out he was a criminal -and- a pedophile. we found out he was on probation. we printed out everything he wrote and we sent it to his probation officer. (it filled a CD). i say again, this guy wasnt just obscure. he was violent and pornographic. you are just annoying.

his probation officer ordered he stay off the internet. he refused. his probation was revoked. and HE WENT BACK TO JAIL. thats what happened to *that* troll. so go ahead and be obscure, be annoying, theres nothing illegal at all about that. but realize, that *i* am done with you.  if others want to keep trying, they certainly have more patience than i.

best of luck
d'smom

[short4gn]

you 'wrote':
and with daylily I would beg to differ that I have not ever clearly said what are my concerns…
but I find in tracking such down, there would be just more and more and even after clearly making
a point and as if it is understood, I am fascinated too…how then it can come on hotter and heavier
despite when some say they got the point J


ok, here is the deal. (for me.) from my point of view, communication is indeed a two way street. its like a contract. there must be a -meeting of the minds- or it wasnt comunication. it was just BLATHERING. see the difference? if someone asks you your concerns, and you bleieve you stated them, but the person then asks 'would you repeat that please i didnt quite get it' or 'id like more understanding of your point of view' then that means -there was no communication-. there needs to be more information given for that person to 'get' what you are communicating.  whether you didnt say it clearly, or they didnt hear it clearly, communication did not occur. then it behooves one or the other participant to continue trying until there is actually a connection made, that is COMMUNICATION.

if the first person wants to be cute and say 'well i told you and i dont feel like looking it up again' thats great but, thats not communication. thats just mental jerking-off and on the internet, trolling.


you continue:
and someway d’s mom thinks I was being honest when I said I was a chimp…
actually I am not J
and as to d’s mom  that I can start to open up…that is assuming that there was no opening up? J


no, i dont think there was any opening up. i think you are just dancing around like a troll, and you have officially lost -my- interest. i was willing to give you a chance becuase even people who are extremely mentally disordered are capable of communicating IF THEY TRY and if they are willing to. but i dont think you are. i think you are both mentally disordered and also just trolling us. so go ahead, post as much as you want, but ive lost interest and i will go back to ignoring everything you say just like i did before. have a happy life alone in your brain. must be fun.


oh ps: just so you dont think i am kidding, i want to tell you a story of another list i was on awhile back. there we were with a loving happy community. well into this midst came a destructive, aggressive, irritating troll. now you are not anywhere near like this guy. he was really violent. he stalked us all mercilessly. he was a violent troll. you are just mildly annoying.   but this guy was vicious and aggressive. well we tried at first to give him a chance. we tried to get him to open up. we tried to get him to communicate with us. a lot longer than i will be trying with you.

after a few months of his violent, pornographic assaults (which are =not= like you, you are just irritating, he was violent) we got sick of it. computer people on the list tracked down his IP address. we found out where he was posting from. we found out where he lived.  we found out he was a criminal -and- a pedophile. we found out he was on probation. we printed out everything he wrote and we sent it to his probation officer. (it filled a CD). i say again, this guy wasnt just obscure. he was violent and pornographic. you are just annoying.

his probation officer ordered he stay off the internet. he refused. his probation was revoked. and HE WENT BACK TO JAIL. thats what happened to *that* troll. so go ahead and be obscure, be annoying, theres nothing illegal at all about that. but realize, that *i* am done with you.  if others want to keep trying, they certainly have more patience than i.

best of luck
d'smom

ON SECOND THOUGHT THE PRESUMPTIONS ASSUMPTIONS OF THE QUOTED POST
SPEAK WELL OF MANY OF MY POINTS
SO FOR AWHILE I WILL LET IT SPEAK FOR ITSELF
.. EXCEPT WOW HUMANS FAR OUT AMAZING FASCINATING
HOW THEY.......

[shrt4gnstc]

feel free to connect disconnect a redubbed topic...
on the order of
when presumptions become presumptious as related to narcissism
and other matters of semantic purpose 

[shrt4ntgnstc]

oops that was meant for another topic...
i b puttin it there now

[shorty]

ah what i think is happenin in part is that
if one does not assume the accepted form of normalcy
..even in wanting to show its unhealthy normalcy
while accepting its healthy part...
there be such a hidden fear about one's own cloak
that  one makes out more of the faults of the other
..
sigh why cant u just heal on the sabbath like everyone else
and wash your hands according the prescribed pharisee or saducee
or whichever it was  ..way

[Sela]

....i better be careful and responld to every detail...

Yes, I suppose you are right again Joe.  My encouraging words were, after all, only a detail.

Best of luck to you....

  Sela

[vunil]

Oh this is so sad, dismissive of another human being it feels to me. It’s words on a message board. It won’t kill anyone. Maybe it might just *help* someone to feel less alone? Maybe it won’t? Maybe it’s just an outlet for some expression of being human?

Hey, Portia--

This isn't my interpretation of what's happening.  I think that one message is coming through loud and clear on this and his other threads: I am superior to this group and to everything that is posted.

This isn't my projection; I could quote endlessly from the posts to make my point, and others seem to have gotten the same impression.  Which doesn't mean that the intended meaning is that, but he has said it loud and clear over and over again, even though it's obscured by the language.

I like to write and have taken some writing workshops over the years.  It is easy to write poetry no one understands, and it is really a lot safer to do because when they don't understand you can sit back with your arms folded and look smug.  But the reason no one understands is because there is no message except "hey, try to figure this out, sucker!"

Note that we get random words strung together, we say "hey!  I want to help!  What do those random words mean!" and then we get some more random words whose only meaning is "you are inferior to me for not understanding what the previous random words mean."

Now, does this stance hide pain?  Absolutely! Do I wish I could help?  Yes!  But here's the bottom line, for me: I think that not communicating on purpose and then being superior about it (e.g., quoting from the dictionary) is an N behavior.  We all exhibit N behaviors sometimes, absolutely, but on this list I think it's healthy for us to watch out that we aren't providing narcissistic supply to someone over and over (a little bit is ok, we could all use that, heaven knows).

Just to defend myself   I have jumped in and responded to this guy a lot and tried to understand a lot, so I don't think I can be put in the "rejects people who are different from her" or "isn't open to creativity" camp.  I write and read poetry and like it.  Just taking all the meaning out of a paragraph does not = poetry.

anyway.  Sorry.  Was that a rant?  It wasn't meant to be, I promise.  Just didn't want to be called a bigot or whatever.

[shorty]

well maybe in some limited areas i might be better temporarily
but i might try to see if i can bring some up to snuff...
or maybe that is the problem my overuse of
powdered tobacco snuff
..it is good u know as a remedy for sinus congestion

Oh this is so sad, dismissive of another human being it feels to me. It’s words on a message board. It won’t kill anyone. Maybe it might just *help* someone to feel less alone? Maybe it won’t? Maybe it’s just an outlet for some expression of being human?

Hey, Portia--

This isn't my interpretation of what's happening.  I think that one message is coming through loud and clear on this and his other threads: I am superior to this group and to everything that is posted.

This isn't my projection; I could quote endlessly from the posts to make my point, and others seem to have gotten the same impression.  Which doesn't mean that the intended meaning is that, but he has said it loud and clear over and over again, even though it's obscured by the language.

I like to write and have taken some writing workshops over the years.  It is easy to write poetry no one understands, and it is really a lot safer to do because when they don't understand you can sit back with your arms folded and look smug.  But the reason no one understands is because there is no message except "hey, try to figure this out, sucker!"

Note that we get random words strung together, we say "hey!  I want to help!  What do those random words mean!" and then we get some more random words whose only meaning is "you are inferior to me for not understanding what the previous random words mean."

Now, does this stance hide pain?  Absolutely! Do I wish I could help?  Yes!  But here's the bottom line, for me: I think that not communicating on purpose and then being superior about it (e.g., quoting from the dictionary) is an N behavior.  We all exhibit N behaviors sometimes, absolutely, but on this list I think it's healthy for us to watch out that we aren't providing narcissistic supply to someone over and over (a little bit is ok, we could all use that, heaven knows).

Just to defend myself   I have jumped in and responded to this guy a lot and tried to understand a lot, so I don't think I can be put in the "rejects people who are different from her" or "isn't open to creativity" camp.  I write and read poetry and like it.  Just taking all the meaning out of a paragraph does not = poetry.

anyway.  Sorry.  Was that a rant?  It wasn't meant to be, I promise.  Just didn't want to be called a bigot or whatever.

[bliz]

If you like a spiraling votex, I suggest this thread.

[SHORTY]

If you like a spiraling votex, I suggest this thread.

AH ARE ALL SPIRAL VORTEXES OF THE SAME NATURE...
IN FACT IS NOT OUR VERY CONNECTION TO SPIRIT THRU
CHAKRAS...
SPIRALING VORTEXES IF U WILL

[SHORTY OOPS]

If you like a spiraling votex, I suggest this thread.

AH ARE ALL SPIRAL VORTEXES OF THE SAME NATURE...
IN FACT IS NOT OUR VERY CONNECTION TO SPIRIT THRU
CHAKRAS...
SPIRALING VORTEXES IF U WILL

OOPS WHAT IS THE PLURAL ANYWAYS OF VORTEX VORTICES?

[vunil]

Bliz, you are so funny.

[bliz]

Vunil,
Thanks

[October]

in an earlier post here i spoke of nonlinear
and was gonna get to some more on such...

well obviously it is a kind of not in the box thing
but includes in a way what the bigger box is...
and another visual used for nonlinear...
has the same concept....
any idea of other visuals for nonlinear...

When I read your words they conjure up a picture in my mind.

My parents once bought a television, which came in a big box.  My younger brother was about 3 or 4.  He put this box on the sofa, cut eye holes in it, and then sat in that box for hour after hour.  He loved being in it.

My picture is of you in a cardboard box.  Except you pretend it is everyone else.

As for the rest, the words, they are so much smoke and mirrors to me.  Can you try to cut down the words, and write the words that you are not saying instead?  You claim to know about semantics.  Can you cut the surface structure babbling about Jesus et al, and try to articulate the deep structure instead?  I could (try to) do it for you, but I think it would be better if I didn't; this is about you finding a voice.

While you use so many words you are preventing yourself from speaking.  Who taught you to do this?  Where are the words about feelings?  Where are the connections?  Are they in the box with you, or are they locked out?

Everyone talks in sentences and phrases; cut them up how you like, we all talk the same.  What is missing is communication, and that is what everyone here is trying to enable for you.  Are you interested in making connections, or do you prefer to stay in the box?

Tell us about the box.  If you can't find words, then use the faces.

[October]

OOPS WHAT IS THE PLURAL ANYWAYS OF VORTEX VORTICES?

Who gives a tinker's cuss?