There ARE no demons or devils. There are people and there is Spirit.

[reallyME]

write:  Casting out demons tells me more about the mental health of the person offering deliverance than the person they think is possessed.

um, was this a DIG?

and YES THERE ARE DEVILS.  I don't have to prove this to you and hopefully you won't ever have to find it out either.

Other than being bipolar, which is a MOOD disorder, not a MENTAL one, I am quite sane, have a high IQ and know exactly what I speak of, thank you

~ReallyME

[reallyME]

Bean,

my definition of sane...I don't have one, since I have never met anyone who is.  I don't believe any human being on this planet is sane, to be honest with you.

[write]

and YES THERE ARE DEVILS.  I don't have to prove this to you and hopefully you won't ever have to find it out either.

Other than being bipolar, which is a MOOD disorder, not a MENTAL one, I am quite sane, have a high IQ and know exactly what I speak of, thank you

I don't dig at anyone reallyMe- it's not my style. If I have something to say I will do my best to say it with as much good grace as I can muster. If I offend you I am sorry.

Bipolar is a very serious mental illness, yes a mood disorder.

I have it too.

I also consider myself sane! and have a high IQ and abilities.

When were you diagnosed?

[reallyME]

write:  I was diagnosed bipolar II and ADD, Dysthymic last April

Bean, I have no clue what your info on Peck meant, but I have seen and heard about his books.  I know love is an action and I agree with you on that.  Love is a choice and an act, not just a noun.  I'm with ya.  I'm not sure what it all had to do with me or devils, but ok.

Bean:  you just gave me your definition.  You also just contradicted yourself (said you were, are you saying you haven't met yourself?). 

Actually I'm STILL Meeting myself daily and in fact a little more of me dies that Jesus might live as soon as I notice it creeping in to try and show up or through...as the apostle Paul said "I die daily"

[write]

I have bipolar 1. Been managing it with seroquel + a mild anti-anxiety and tons of therapy and lifestyle changes quite successfully for a couple of years.

I have found relationships big triggers and decided no romantic relationships for 2 years, that was last May. It's been a big help.

Do you have a good doctor?

[reallyME]

write,

sounds like you are in good hands!  A dear friend of mine has 2 neices that are bipolar I and are just really basket cases right now, jumping off roofs, trying to kill themselves, etc.

A good doctor?  I guess that depends on your definition of it.  My doctor is one who puts you on meds and then doesn't reschedule with you until you decide.  I'd rather be going to my daughter's doctor.  I tried to transfer and my current doc won't let me go and the other doc won't accept me as a new patient, so I'm stuck with who I have.  Personally, I would like to find out a way to go OFF ALL MEDS one day and have my more-creative mind back.  I may seem pretty witty now, but I know myself, and I can tell that my brain is stifled by this topamax, since it shuts off the messages between my neurons.

~ReallyME

[reallyME]

I will kick the devil's butt and delight in it for the rest of my life!

~ReallyME

[moonlight52]

reallyme are your your two nieces bipolar? are they seeing doctors and are they taking medication?taking meds can make the difference between night and day .
why would you want to stop taking it?
it would seem the peace and the calm would be welcome .the ups and downs from the mood swings would be lessened and then give one a chance to review ones situation better. along with your therapist. is this a good plan? it is what i am doing and i have
not been so clear thinking and balanced in years .yes i was worried about my art work. but it has not been effected at all.i still
have paint brushes in hand. lots of hugs       moonlight

[write]

I've struggled for years with the meds issue, and finally I only take what I need on a daily basis.
A year ago that was 600 mg daily Seroquel, but at the moment it's just very low doses and an anti-anxiety to keep a sleep pattern.

I would never say I can live without meds, because there are times I need them, but the side effects are annoying sometimes and I think lead a lot of people to discontinue.

To live on minimum meds required a heck of a lot of therapy though, and real lifestyle changes. There are some things I just cannot do without thinking- a lot of driving, long journeys, miss sleep.

Moonlight & reallyMe- do you have particular 'triggers' for mania and depression?

What country are you in? I have found the US much better for mental health services than the UK was.

[reallyME]

Bean,

were you saying that casting devils out of people sounded like fun?  "kickin devil butt" as I called it?  Yes it is, because the devil doesn't belong tormenting people, any more than mental or psychological illness should have the right to hurt them.  That goes for N's and bullies...nobody has the right to victimize another person, period.  Since I've seen devils...real ones, and I know that they don't belong bothering people, I delight in making them leave them alone in the name of Jesus.

I get excited with people when they get on meds that help them too, not just when someone finds freedom from demonic forces.  I'm not one of those people who think evil spirits cause everything.  I'm very balanced in my view of things.  The point is, I want to see people helped and free and able to be all they were destined by God to become.



moon,  the girls are the neices of a friend of mine.  They are trying to get them help. 

I am currently on Topomax.  I'm not getting off the meds at the moment.  I was saying that some day I would love to be healed so that I would not have to take meds, because I do not have as much creative ability as I used to without the meds.

~ReallyME

[moonlight52]

write   my meds are great right now.i am in the us. well meds are big deal .i do not fight the idea. they are a tool and i have good  results along with therapy. i can not believe i told everyone my big bad secret. i have bipolar .doesn't seem so shameful  now does it ? oh write i do have the problems with sleep sometimes, lucky i like Tolstoy. his novels
go on forever.ha ha but i am a wreck the next day. what can you do.i  just thank goodness i do not do rapid cycling thats rough. i have sailed on Saturn's rings but its not worth the down time. ya know
triggers are when people show deliberate cruelty and manipulation and think they are more worthy than others in the sight of God .
my meds have not had negative effect on my artwork.the core of my creative being must be too strong for meds or the dose is just right.
moonlight

[Brigid]

I'm curious how one is taught to cast out devils, demons, or whatever one chooses to call them (and I'm not necessarily agreeing that they exist, but just wondering about this).  It seems as though one would either be "called" to this profession, if that is what it is, or born with a gift, but teaching it seems difficult at best.  I would think it would be akin to teaching the ability to be psychic, if you believe that gift can exist within certain people. 

Obviously, people can be taught to be ministers, priests and other leaders of faiths (I won't use the term religion since that seems to be a hotbutton), but being able to connect with some demonic force and exorcising it from an individual seems a bit beyond that.

I promise that I am not actually looking for an answer to my musings and don't wish to drag out this discussion any further than it has already gone, but that particular point just really stuck with me and I felt the need to express it.

Brigid

[reallyME]

Brigid or whomever it may concern,

you asked a question about HOW TO cast out devils or how does one train another to do so...did you want an answer or does anyone want an answer to this?  If not, I will refrain from comment.  If so, I'll be glad to share about my training experience.

~ReallyME

[write]

I'm going to start a specific bipolar thread, this is getting too long for me to read! That's another problem I have- concentrating, and reading on the internet is really hard.

[reallyME]

bean, I posed my question to everyone, so anyone including you, was free to respond.  Thank you for letting me know that you particularly are not interested.  If anyone IS interested in knowing what deliverance from devils entails, feel free to contact me personally and privately, since it seems this is something so offensive to those of you who choose to remain in the dark about it.

~ReallyME