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pennyplant

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #15 on: July 11, 2006, 02:38:34 PM »
LoH, ANewSheriff, Moon, I'll be back later.  I'm a little sleepy.....

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #16 on: July 11, 2006, 02:47:52 PM »
Hi PP ,

I believe the rough times will come but not nearly in the strength that the old apocryphal prophesy .

What did Jesus say about mankind changing prophesy?

Anyway what is needed is less fear in the world and in our HEARTS .

The Earth I believe is headed for Great Peace.

Miracles do happen and did not Jesus feed the masses  ?The birthing of peace on Earth.

 Our children will have a new way to live in the world after some of the old idea's die out.

I am very optimistic like a lighthouse I will not ask how big the storm is ,I will try to have no fear.

The hope comes from the heart and it is the promise of the RAINBOW.

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Luke 1:78
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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2006, 03:23:39 PM »
Dear (((((((((((((((((PP)))))))))))))))))

 I am glad you are sleepy .

We are all tippy toeing so you can sleep...................I believe one is always "conscious" even in sleep .

A lot of healing is done in sleep PP.Everyone needs that REM sleep. :D

Much Love,

Moon

 The light from heaven is about to break upon us...... to give light to those who sit in darkness, and to guide us to the path of peace Luke1:78
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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #18 on: July 11, 2006, 05:28:11 PM »
Dear Moon,

Thank you for tiptoeing!  I slept about two hours.  Two of my cats were there the whole time.  It took some maneuvering for them to get comfortable but each found a good spot, including me, and we slept away part of the afternoon.

I do feel hopeful about the future.  Just keeping my eyes open is all.  When I hear people getting very angry that gas is over three dollars a gallon, I wonder, what they will do when it is four dollars or five dollars and everything else goes up accordingly.  Because it will.  I just hope more people will come to their senses then and change their priorities to their kids, spouses, homes, etc.  The real stuff.  I would like to see people slow down more.  Give up the materialistic grabbing.

I think I remember you saying you and the girls were going to see Johhny Depp this past weekend.  My son went too and liked it quite a bit.  What did you guys think of it?  I want to see it myself.  It sounds like it was funny and interesting to watch.  Of course, it is Johhny Depp  8) .

Love, PP
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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #19 on: July 11, 2006, 05:45:38 PM »
I think of what you describe as shedding a skin. Suddenly you didn't need that nervous defensiveness, or lacked the energy to produce any, so it fell away, and you felt better. And noticed and embraced feeling better. Hope and blessings, PP, that you keep feeling better, lighter, even with more sleep.  :D

I'm pretty careful about my health, and mostly well enough that no one who isn't medically attuned would guess what I'm living with. The bad news and good news are the same: the person I was before is gone. There are things I can't do, but a lot of my wasted energy traps fell away. Like shed skin. It didn't feel like a choice: more like what illness imposed. Maybe a case of physical reprioritization.

I'm much more aware now of the way I experience and hold stress physically. The negative consequences, in particular, of certain emotional loops and defenses. Which serves as a powerful motivator/teacher as to what's truly essential, and the emotional gift of being here now, living in the moment. Something I don't think I was capable of much in my 'before'. I grew up as the family's mood manager, throwing myself at everyone else's pain and stress, with no real idea of an emotional self at all.

Then God slowed me down. Showed me how it felt to accept, down to the core, that I was doing my best, with all the wonderful limitations 'best' can include. To finally learn how to say 'I can't' and 'I need'. That was my new, jaw-dropping, mental phrase for years, PP: Wow; this is Me, Doing my Best.

imho, with a lot of focus, support, and luck, everyone has the opportunity to shed many 'selves' in a lifetime, and learn from who's underneath. Like those Russian nesting dolls, matrioshkas, only in reverse: instead of getting smaller we feel bigger for all the emotional baggage we can learn to do without.

Amor Fati; love what is. Especially what's inside.


LoH,

It sounds like you have made peace with the limitations and made the limitations into a new freedom.  I'm betting that if you could make your medical condition go away, you still wouldn't want the old "you" back.  You've grown.  That's what I'm after.

I wonder about my old stubbornness.  What was it really all about?  It seems less difficult now for me to be willing to give up what doesn't work.  And to see that it doesn't work.  Is it partly the toxic shame I felt all my life mixed in with pride?  Or trying to feel safe on some level?  Maybe I just never knew the lightness I might feel or the possibility of happiness without all my old crutches.  I don't think I ever stopped long enough to be able to feel it or see it.  I was convinced I was right to be defensive, angry, tense.  I had reasons for everything I did.  Anybody who tried to tell me different seemed kind of stupid to me.  Or like they weren't listening.

I remember meeting a woman in our church (the few times we went) who was really "out there".  Just happy and full of enthusiasm, like a fuzzy-haired cheerleader.  Not a negative bone in her body.  I did not know what to make of her.  I thought she was completely weird.  Over the top.  I have run into her over the years (sometimes literally).  She is like a tornado sometimes with her energy.  Even now in her 70s.  I don't want to become like her because that's just not who I am.  But I value her viewpoint in a way I never could have before.  She really participates in everything she does.  I bet her kids and grandkids appreciate her.  The family used to host foreign exchange students all the time.  I bet they appreciated her too.

Well, this kind of got off on a tangent.  I should say then, even catching up on my rest, it seems like I've been okay with letting my defenses stay down the past couple of days.  It does feel way better not getting riled up over little things that come along.  I'm going to keep at it at any rate.

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2006, 06:01:05 PM »
Since you are a little low on "stored energy" at the moment, on some level you must have made a decision that you cannot lend that energy to the negativity, but have to stay focused on your daily tasks.  Wow!  I am happy for you.  What a breakthrough!  Maybe once you get your hours straightened out you can take up strength training or cycling or waliking in order to continue to channel and direct and release this same energy.     

Sometimes I think my best "decisions" make themselves!  I started with my current job over five years ago.  It was completely different from anything I ever did before or ever thought I would be doing.  I had been out of work for four months previously (walked out on a good job with a bad N boss) and hadn't had much luck with job-hunting till this one came along.

The first six months probably, I was just completely exhausted and also kind of overwhelmed mentally.  Learning new tasks that didn't really have any application in the real world.  Just had to go day by day doing what people told me even if I didn't understand it.  Performing at a physical level that I was completely unused to.  And only my pride kept me going sometimes.  I truly just concentrated on my tasks at hand, then went home and didn't think about work until the next day.

After about a year, my job got even harder yet.  It brought me to my outer limits physically.  Really showed me what I could do if I had to.  Fortunately, I didn't have to tap myself out.  I was able to change to something more reasonable for me just in the nick of time.

But it did teach me a lot.  And sometimes now I will remind myself that if I don't understand things, or am not feeling all that great, I can just concentrate on the tasks at hand.  It can be somewhat ritualistic and repetitive.  And that does bring me to a different level sometimes.  I think my co-workers who actually enjoy their jobs have discovered this aspect of it.

The last few years then have been like a slow transformation.  Shedding skin like LoH says.  I would say, though, that I have made the most progress from my time spent on this board.  I don't believe I ever would have thought of so many of these things all on my own.  Plus, having a place to talk out the ideas really helps.

It might be a few years before I have a regular schedule at my job.  In a way, I'm glad it is not going to happen right away.  It seems like I have more to learn and this is the time when much of it can happen.  Since I can't have much of an impact on when I will have a better job, it seems like a waste of energy any more to worry about it.  I have worried about it quite a bit--hope I don't wind up with that job, that other person will take the one I want, etc.  But it's truly out of my hands.  So, I'm going to just do the day by day thing and trust it to turn out in a way that is right for me.

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2006, 06:29:26 PM »
Hi PP,
Things you wrote here were so comforting and helpful to me, thank you.

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I don't understand things, or am not feeling all that great, I can just concentrate on the tasks at hand.  It can be somewhat ritualistic and repetitive.  And that does bring me to a different level sometimes.  I think my co-workers who actually enjoy their jobs have discovered this aspect of it.

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Since I can't have much of an impact on when I will have a better job, it seems like a waste of energy any more to worry about it.  I have worried about it quite a bit--hope I don't wind up with that job, that other person will take the one I want, etc.  But it's truly out of my hands.  So, I'm going to just do the day by day thing and trust it to turn out in a way that is right for me.

I am very aware that the clock is running just as fast as it was when I was ignoring it (I completely quit jobhunting for about a month)...and Sept. 30 is bearing down. However, doing even the job search as a DAY BY DAY thing, will really help me cope.

Plus, I'm noticing that a DAY BY DAY approach to my brother's visit, instead of chronic fretting, is working too. It's been quite peaceable (though I have taken my laptop to work with me, since the trust is not there). But...there's been not much tension either. I'm glad. Who knows, this may be his last visit with Mom at her age, so I've been happy to stay out of their way and let them enjoy each other.

Anyway, PP, thank you for the DAY BY DAY reminder! I know it's common sense spirituality, but I so often spend half my energy on a terrifying future that I have no idea about, or the sad past that is over. Stoooooopid.

I'm giving a summer sermon at my church Jul. 23 and I'm happy about it.

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2006, 08:29:42 PM »
Hopsy,

I'm glad some of the things here are helpful to you.  I really like how this thread has turned out.  A lot of insightful ideas and sharing.  It is amazing to me that I can feel the evolution going on in myself.  It's gradual and I still do get those sharp little feelings of.... fear or worry or something that doesn't have a name.  But each time I read a new post, and it just works its way into me, I can feel it doing some magic in there.  It is so nice to tell about a little something that has happened in my day to day life and find that it strikes a chord with someone else in a slightly different way.

Change of subject:

Do you know yet what you would like to talk about in your summer sermon?  I'm interested in hearing about the topic and what you might include in the sermon.

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2006, 08:15:29 AM »
Hops,

S - H- E - R - I - F - F
If that is as bad as your mishaps get today, you are going to have a terrific day!  :lol:

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« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2006, 08:59:10 AM »
Hi again Pennyplant,

You know, imho, you're writing here like someone who's just found another level. Does it feel that way, that good for you? I hope so.

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I wonder about my old stubbornness.  What was it really all about?  It seems less difficult now for me to be willing to give up what doesn't work.  And to see that it doesn't work.  Is it partly the toxic shame I felt all my life mixed in with pride?  Or trying to feel safe on some level?  Maybe I just never knew the lightness I might feel or the possibility of happiness without all my old crutches.  I don't think I ever stopped long enough to be able to feel it or see it.  I was convinced I was right to be defensive, angry, tense.  I had reasons for everything I did.  Anybody who tried to tell me different seemed kind of stupid to me.  Or like they weren't listening.
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These sound like great reasons to cling to stubbornness, PP. Also, for me at least (F.'s childhood 'pet' name for me=Bullhead. Ick), stubbornness arose from being parked at the self-serve pump by my parents at a young age. So it was a hard thing to give up, making snap decisions and sticking to my guns no matter what. Maybe a big part of the difference for you now is that you're in a healthier place, and have the emotional room and knowledge to step back, reflect, and say, Hey, this isn't working..so why not let it go? I think that's all but impossible to do as a child, when we have to cling to whatever self-defenses (pure reaction, mostly) seem to get us through.

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After about a year, my job got even harder yet.  It brought me to my outer limits physically.  Really showed me what I could do if I had to.  Fortunately, I didn't have to tap myself out.  I was able to change to something more reasonable for me just in the nick of time.

But it did teach me a lot.  And sometimes now I will remind myself that if I don't understand things, or am not feeling all that great, I can just concentrate on the tasks at hand.  It can be somewhat ritualistic and repetitive.  And that does bring me to a different level sometimes.  I think my co-workers who actually enjoy their jobs have discovered this aspect of it.
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Thanks for this, PP. It's a comforting solution I'd like to try more consciously, like you describe. Sounds like wise acceptance. As does what you said about not wasting energy on job worries. The good news is, then it stays positive energy you can direct elsewhere. Toward your intention. (btw, this non-worry positivity just worked for me. Resigned my job with N boss yesterday for a better one!)

As obvious as it may sound, I think usually the smartest thing we can do with our brains is recognize what is optional vs. necessary. With work, at home, in our hearts. I've used that as a stop: okay, recognize the emotion, accept the why of it...then consider how much energy I'm gonna' throw there, how much room I'd really like to make for, say, irritation. I'd say less the better feels best.

Amen to what you said about coming here, PP. I feel the same, that people share things every day that I may have never considered otherwise. Feels so good. Little building blocks dropping into my heart.

And Hops, I'm with PP about your sermon. If you'd feel comfortable, would love to hear some of it. You've written so movingly here about the struggle with loneliness and isolation and it's an issue for so many people. Hope, if you like, you'll share the good word.

Best to everyone,
LoH

PS- hate to put it here, but just ran out of time for a 2nd post. I'm leaving for a bit due to my Mom's (hopefully minor) surgery. No need to respond, please, especially not on Penny's great thread, but if you could keep a good thought for her it'd mean a lot to me. Thanks.
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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2006, 12:45:24 PM »
Penny, Light, and...Sharif  :D--

It's about loneliness. (I'd like to post what we put in the bulletin but it's on my laptop which is locked in my car since my brother's here until Friday. Sad, that. But I found I couldn't go meet a friend last night because of unease over whether he'd raid my computer again, so I did that.)  :(

Instead of talking about the sermon in more detail beforehand (that tends to derail my writing), I'll be glad to send it to anyone after it's written. Honored.

Thanks for asking (I was hinting, wasn't I!?)  :shock:

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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2006, 09:00:51 PM »
Hopsy,

Put me on your mailing list, okay?  You don't even have to hint with me--I always want to read what you write.


.....for me at least (F.'s childhood 'pet' name for me=Bullhead. Ick), stubbornness arose from being parked at the self-serve pump by my parents at a young age. So it was a hard thing to give up, making snap decisions and sticking to my guns no matter what. Maybe a big part of the difference for you now is that you're in a healthier place, and have the emotional room and knowledge to step back, reflect, and say, Hey, this isn't working..so why not let it go? I think that's all but impossible to do as a child, when we have to cling to whatever self-defenses (pure reaction, mostly) seem to get us through.

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PS- hate to put it here, but just ran out of time for a 2nd post. I'm leaving for a bit due to my Mom's (hopefully minor) surgery. No need to respond, please, especially not on Penny's great thread, but if you could keep a good thought for her it'd mean a lot to me. Thanks.

This makes so much sense about the stubbornness.  I never would have thought of this.  Have always attributed it to yet another flaw in myself.  Being parked at the self-serve pump by my parents.  That is my childhood in a phrase.  If I couldn't do it myself, then it wasn't going to happen, not for long anyway.  If it involved effort on the part of my parents, then it was short-lived at best.  I have always thought of myself as a little pioneer heading out into the wilderness without a map or guide.  Just muddling my way along and not getting very far.  Being so vulnerable all the time.  And, yes, always having to react, making snap decisions all on my own mostly.

In the beginning of your post, you asked if it feels like I've found another level.  Yes, it does feel something like that.  It feels good sometimes.  Mostly it feels strange.  Like I'm in training.  Probably because it is still quite new to feel this way most of the time.

LoH, let us know when you get back and how things go.  All my best to you and your mom.

Love, Pennyplant
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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2006, 09:02:56 AM »
Hi Pennyplant,

How are things on the new PP frontier? I hope your journey is still treating you well.

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I have always thought of myself as a little pioneer heading out into the wilderness without a map or guide.  Just muddling my way along and not getting very far.  Being so vulnerable all the time.  And, yes, always having to react, making snap decisions all on my own mostly.

Perspective is a funny thing, isn't it? I read this and saw you as brave and determined, breaking your own path, and just plugging away, in spite of the obstacles. Striving. For what it's worth, imho, you've come a very long way from where you started (PP the person, and PP the spouse and mother) especially considering you had to find your own grace without a lot of support or direction in childhood.

Thanks for your kind words about my Mom. She's doing well...the surgery was rough and her hand won't be quite the same, but the excellent news is no cancer. Whew! Afterwards, her surgeon said he thought it was malignant going in, so we're very grateful. Mom says she's going to get a parrot and a pirate's hat to go with her crooked hand, maybe charge tourists to pose for pictures with her.  :shock:

Hugs to you, Pennyplant.

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LoH


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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2006, 12:25:56 PM »
Penny,
I think you are amazing. Just amazing, considering:
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Being parked at the self-serve pump by my parents.  That is my childhood in a phrase.

Whatever your raw materials were, you have burnished them to a copper penny shine.

(Ever read "Brown Penny", the poem by Yeats? I always loved that one.)

LoH,
Your mother sounds like a love. Imagine, a mother with a sense of humor!
(I barely can...but I believe she's real. And must have given you a lot of good stuff.)

Hops
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Re: Sleep deprivation
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2006, 01:45:20 PM »
Hi Hops.... can you put me on the mailing list for your sermon too.  Thanks   :)