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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2006, 10:20:31 PM »
Hi Tiffany,
I'm glad you're back, and so sorry you are feeling such dread.
I felt it too just reading. I know how Ns manipulate estate issues.

I think it's terrific that you've made your own way and succeeded,
and despite their jealousy, there is no point in sacrificing your hard-earned
stability to join her downfall.

It is very sad, to feel this way about your family.

It sounds like the best news there could be about your brother.
Who knows, maybe out of all of them, he'll be the one to turn around.

I hope tomorrow you feel steady and calm, and hang on to your
own self.

You are brave to find the space between. That has to be very difficult.

Hops
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2006, 12:30:52 PM »
Tiffany, this sounds like big stuff.  Stay firm and I'll keep you in my prayers.

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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2006, 08:07:57 AM »
Penelope Bean, you are on Effexor?  well, I'm not sure when you got on it, but I have seen a definite change in you for a while now, so I am proud of you for taking that step with the meds.  They sure do help some people and give you a chance to experience thinking one or two thoughts at a time too, without being stuck in "rehash" mode even.  Some very close friends of mine are on antidepressant meds with GREAT results!  There is nothing to be ashamed of in taking meds...the brain is a complicated thing that often benefits from adjustment of its chemicals.  Blessya, Penelope

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Tiffany: It’s true, a lot, I wouldn’t say most, (I think non-Blacks would be surprised at just how many “normal,” functional, Black household’s exist, even in situations of poverty), black children witness aggressive environment’s if not in their own homes, then definitely in the homes of their peers, and/or extended family.


you are right, I'd not only be be surprised about about black people having "civil" homes, but I'd be SHOCKED, because from my experience of being in/living in a few different parts of the USA, I have seen what you described mostly...pinching, switching, threatening.  I would LOVE to find a black family that didn't act like that...just haven't seen any as of yet.  I live in Illinois and have lived in Buffalo, NY before that, where chairs would be thrown through windows on the street I grew up in, by black angry men.  Stereotyping?  Possibly, so show me otherwise please...show me another black person/family, who did not live that way in their family, with their children.  Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2006, 08:11:12 AM »
Hey guys,

I did i!  I did it!  I made it back home in one piece.  I didn't jeopardise my future or compromise my stand.  It took about four hours of just listening to her going on and on with her intended plans for my sister and me to take ownership of her properties that the IRS doesn't know about yet.  She went on, presumptiously, about how she was going to need us to promise in writing that we would do as she wishes with the assets once in our own names so that she knew she could trust us.  To this, I laughed internally.  She began to reveal her true financial state and it was horrifying.  She admitted to being in a half a million dollars worth of total tax debt.  (WHOA,  I was thinking somewhere around 250K, actually).  She also admitted that as of today she only had three more clients than myself.  Now this floored me, as she has always had three to four-FOLD the number of my clients.  Recently a disgruntled former manager of 18 years or more resigned from her to start a similar business taking six of my mother's clients and thier associated employees with her to start her new company. Other than that, I guess the clients were just unhappy and began to transfer to other agencies.

My mother was feeling very much like the weight of the world was falling down on her. She showed me a letter from the state licensing board advising of random audits to Nurse Practitioners where they would be evaulating their records to assure that licensed RNs have been taking the required continuing education credits that the field requires.  Well, as you may have guessed, she hasn't got one continuing ed credit, not one. in 20 years.  She did make it clear to me that prior to this letter and the sudden crisis in which she now finds herself, she was considering, returning to school to take some more "assessment" classes to freshen up her nursing skills.  This, she said to remind me of her tendency in the past, to start a new school program everytime I did, (when I went away to undergraduate university she went to pick up a master's degree; when I went to get my master's, she returned to school to get her doctorate (in theology, no less), and now as I return for this bachelor's in nursing, she's suddenly interested in a few nursing courses again).  Honestly, I think the only thing that kept her from competing against me in this way again, was her bad money problems.  She just doesn't have it to throw around anymore.

She also made it clear, yesterday, that she is "raising" my sister to compete with me.  Except only she will serve as my sister's partner in life, living with her, raising my niece, and running this business together.  My mother's idea is that my sister will take some things in her name, (e.g., the business, the rental properties, the vehicles), and under my advisement will attempt to sell some of the assets, the proceeds from which I would hold in my name and assure gets properly administered to her retirement in an assisted living facility.  She will keep the "big house" that has the IRS lien on it, as the sale of it would guarantee that the equity would go to the IRS.  Hmmm... I thought and spoke.  "So what are you going to do about the tax debt?"  She looked at me with wild eyes and didn't immediately answer the question.  After going on about her evasive plan that included me selling off property, doing a mountain of paperwork, making embarrasing phone calls, holding onto large sums of money, and then advising on the best way to allocate it, I let her teter out. She was not getting an affirmative response from me all along the way, this was frustrating to her, I could see.  She finally offered me cash from her 100K insurance policy when she dies, to dole out whatever I wished to my siblings, if I would just take care of these things for her now. After a long silence before which she begged to know what I'm willing to do for her, I said in a quiet still voice.  

"Actually, I think [my sister] should be in charge of things. She's been there for you these past several years and she's doing her best.  I think it would be best for me to focus on my own family right now, and establish the very same things you're speaking of now, for my own daughter.  I'm just starting out in life and I need to secure my own future.  I can be a listening ear, but I cannot promise to perform on your behalf as your debts terrify me. Assuming your debts could place my future in jeopardy and the IRS has ways of finding things like this.  I don't need your inheritance money.  You feel as though you may die, due to the stress, but you may live another 15 years and if that's so, you will need all of your resources for your retirement, and money tends to run out quickly you know, especially with doctors bills and medications.  My sister's been there for you, I think it's only fair that she runs the show."  

My sister seemed suprised and happy to hear me say this and nodded her head in agreement.  She gave a brief account of how difficult it is working for mom and how she just feels inadequate with regards to what it takes to run a business.  She admitted that on a daily basis mother hurts her feelings in the office the way she talks to her and assumes she should know things about the company.  She says this is stressful work and she's needs help and advice on the best way to run it.  With regards to the rental properties, my sister quickly said as a "joke" to me, "I think we should sell them all and split it, ha, ha, ha!"  To which, I raised an eyebrow and looked at mother who was on the telephone at the time.  She has no idea of my sister's hand in her current and future downfall and I was glad I made it clear to my sister that I think she should be in charge of mother's affairs, not me.  My mother was clearly disappointed in me, as she was hoping to rally her resources.  She did tell me that she respected me and my decisions in life and would be glad if she could have my listening ear, some advice, and my prayers.  All of which, I can, at my own pace, accommodate.  

She did throw in later, that she would just get my sister to go to nursing school, take the money, buy them both a house down in the country, and run those businesses until they are great again.  She also went on and on about how she wasn't just going to evade the IRS altogether, she said maybe she would sell the house and let the equity go to the debt, as a fleeting thought.  She finished processing out loud mumbling about how she didn't think this would put my sister in trouble in any way, because she would never do anything to place my sister's future in jeopardy....  Well, mom, I don't know about that there, but whatever!

As for my brother, I am glad he has bought a little more time to think about his situation.  Unfortunately, though I think mudpup's observations may hold true.  He is an N.  He would probably have taken my act of kindness as an "in" to my psyche and tried to do a little damage there.  From my experience, N's don't necessarily appreciate kindness shown toward them.  Sometimes they think it makes them look weak or inadequate.  I think what he needs and wants should come from our mom, not so much me. Sometimes, I think I may as well be his third cousin or a family friend when it comes to just how well I know him and am expected to be there for him.  I do like the idea given about composing a letter that says how I feel and sending it to him.  It would be nice to be able to bond, but honestly, outside of what I could do to help him out of his current bind, I don't even think he cares.  But I love him anyway, and I wish the best for him.  

Thanks for the encouragement, guys.  I feel blessed to have friends with such insight and concern.  
Tiffany

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« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2006, 08:40:00 AM »
Tiffany,

   I just think you're so amazing... and wonderfully blessed... and a clear example of the strength and courage God gives to those who will rely on Him. Wow. Thanks so much for sharing your story with us.

Hope

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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2006, 09:06:19 AM »
hey reallyME,

We've gotta do something about that, sweetie.  There are millions of examples of positive Black family experiences void of drama and abuse.  Take my husband's family.  I'm blessed to have met him and been embraced by his family given my own familial inclinations.  Just this coming weekend is our family reunion where we are expecting about 500-600 family members coming from all over the US to re-connect and celebrate the family ties.  Tis true there are the small share of trouble-makers, as with any family, however this family is an awesome example of success, education, healthiness, and love.  I'm so glad for my daughter that this is her reality, and not the one you painfully experience.

Aside from my own in-laws, I live in a middle class urban Black neighborhood that is involved currently in the nationwide, re-urbanization movement.  My neighborhood is considered to be "in transition" as many Whites have taken a renewed interest in the beautiful, huge, well-built, two-story early 20th century colonial style homes left to Blacks in the 70s and 80s during "white flight" and sub-urbanization.  It is a fascinating phenomenon to witness and I mention it to relate the way perspective affects reality.  The old black families welcome the integration and the neighborhood improvements that will automatically come with White presence.

Can it be possible, reallyME that there are no functional, safe, healthy Black families, in existence? Of course not.  Your own personal reality is skewed by your limited experiences with what sounds like poor, desperate Blacks, (Throwing chairs out of windows? Where the heck do you live?)   Have you spent any considerable time with poor, desperate Whites?  I'm not sure that if you had, you would feel so comfortable characterizing all Blacks in such a sweeping, generalized way. White people do indeed act a fool from time to time and I'm almost positive they toss chairs from windows).  And reallyMe, if you need just ONE example of a civil black household in order to believe they even exist, take my own.  My husband and I have never laid a hand on one another or our child. We are both educated property and business owners, without criminal records who send our daughter to private school, ballet, and swimming lessons.  We are striving to be taken seriously in this society and to not be seen as just another group of niggers taking up space.  

Your stereotyping effects people like us moreso than the people you witness everyday, because this is not our reality yet we are constantly being judged within the context of criminality and abuse.  If I were to meet you on the street, you would probably place that stigma on me undeservingly. Please, reallyME, get outside of your neighborhood.  See some of what else the world has to offer.  I see this is an issue and a life theme for you and coming to resolution about your ambivalent feelings would benefit you greatly.  There are a lot of cool-headed, even-tempered, wonderfully CIVILl Black persons who would absolutely love to meet you and disprove this sterotype including myself.

Best to you reallyMe

Tiffany

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« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2006, 09:36:28 AM »
RM,

  Writing this to you as a sister in Christ. Maybe this would be best done as a personal message, but I've never begun that practice and really don't want to start now.

   From what you've said here, it sounds like you are unable to accept things as true unless you've personally seen the evidence with your own eyes. I don't understand that, especially since you attest to faith in a God whom you cannot see. I also don't understand how you can think the way you do if you recognize the changing power of God upon a person's life. Do you recognize that power of the rebirth experience?  Do you think somehow that the color of a person's skin prevents God from changing that aspect of his life which might bring about an atmosphere of violence within his home?

   I hope you'll be able to think this through and see how what you're saying here doesn't appear to line up with what you say you believe about God. I think that we all run up against things at times where God shows us areas in which He's calling upon us to grow and mature... I know that I do, regularly! I hope you'll receive this in the spirit in which it's offered and consider really taking a closer look at your own mindset re: this issue.

Hope

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« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2006, 10:00:30 AM »
Tiff,

I wouldn't be surprised if your mother and sister end up being prosecuted if they try to do what she is describing. The IRS tends to look on fraud with a rather stern eye, as I'm sure you know. Good job in protecting yourself and being wise as a serpent.

RM,
I have to agree with Tiff and CH here. My BIL is a black man and the most wondeful, gentle Christian husband and father you could ever hope to meet. And one of our best friend's son in law is a gentle giant of a black man. They each have four wonderful, happy kids.
If you combine poverty with the new 'morality' you end up with the mess we have now, for all races.

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« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2006, 11:03:51 AM »
Hi Tiffany,
I am awed by your conduct, poise and empathy (while holding your boundaries).

And not just in court.

It is dismaying to me that you had to labor through a defense of the existence of kind, healthy black families. It is amazing to me how graciously you did it. It is very sad that anyone could conjecture the opposite of what makes logical sense, but that's what stereotypes are. It may be a problem of lack of imagination or some sort of educational limitation.

Poverty, inadequate schools, and illiteracy all breed desperation and violence. This is true for green people. I can guess this because although I've never known any violent green people, I know human beings, so I know it would be beyond absurd to tar all green people with the same brush.

I won't bother testifying about token nice black people I know.
Forgive my sarcasm.

Again, hearty congrats on your courage and sense with your family.

Hops


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« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2006, 11:18:46 AM »

I did i!  I did it!  I made it back home in one piece.  I didn't jeopardise my future or compromise my stand. 


Magnificent, Tiffany!!!!!  Thank you for sharing the whole story and congratulations on your accomplishment.  This story is such a great example of both the effects of narcissism and the healing process in all its glory.  Just beautiful.  You really did do it!!!

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« Reply #25 on: July 27, 2006, 11:28:07 AM »
There are millions of examples of positive Black family experiences void of drama and abuse.  Take my husband's family.  I'm blessed to have met him and been embraced by his family given my own familial inclinations.  Just this coming weekend is our family reunion where we are expecting about 500-600 family members coming from all over the US to re-connect and celebrate the family ties.  Tis true there are the small share of trouble-makers, as with any family, however this family is an awesome example of success, education, healthiness, and love.  I'm so glad for my daughter that this is her reality, and not the one you painfully experience.

Aside from my own in-laws, I live in a middle class urban Black neighborhood that is involved currently in the nationwide, re-urbanization movement.  My neighborhood is considered to be "in transition" as many Whites have taken a renewed interest in the beautiful, huge, well-built, two-story early 20th century colonial style homes left to Blacks in the 70s and 80s during "white flight" and sub-urbanization.  It is a fascinating phenomenon to witness and I mention it to relate the way perspective affects reality.  The old black families welcome the integration and the neighborhood improvements that will automatically come with White presence.

This is why I don't feel comfortable sharing my very limited experiences with racism.  Members of any group are perfectly capable of telling their own story.  The only story each of us really knows is our own.  Tiffany, I'm glad for your patience and also your willingness to be yourself here.  This is how we get to know each other and how we help each other grow out of our ignorance and biases.

There is a drawback in this approach of waiting for someone to tell their own story, though.  When communities don't mix at all, then how does one hear the stories?  It is fortunate that anyone can and does come to this forum.  But in the workplace, or in neighborhoods, you don't always get a representative mixture of people.  I guess everyone has to be willing to reach out and look for opportunities to get to know each other.  It's hard to step out of a comfortable niche.  But a little at a time ought to be manageable.

Pennyplant
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« Reply #26 on: July 27, 2006, 11:51:06 AM »
hi Tiffany,

I just wanted to say that I'm praying for you in your time of need.  You are a special deserving person, just because you're you and you're valuable.  Nobody can take that away from you and you know it!   8)

hugs,
bean

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« Reply #27 on: July 27, 2006, 12:55:19 PM »
Hi Mud,
Just backtracking and realized you might've thought I was aiming my snipy "token" remark at you for your loving description of your BIL and other friend. Just in case...NOPE! Aimed at nobody...just some frustration. (Oh, my little town...)

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(Oh, all our children...)


Hope you're having a good day.
(And I bet your BIL says similar stuff about you...)  :)

Hops

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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2006, 06:16:33 PM »
Wow Tiff!  You did a fabulous job of sticking with your plan and all during that meeting!  Good for you!

I'm glad your mother accepted what you said.   She sure tried to play on your sympathies but you stood up well.  It must have been a great relief to have that overwith eh? 

Congratulations!

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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2006, 07:07:42 PM »
I find this message board to be a really humorous place, in that, no matter what I say, it's going to be perceived totally wrongly, since, again, none of you really even know me at all.

I'm not choosing to explain myself again, regarding racism, other than to say I am not a racist, I have friends whose skin is black and are decent people, but MY EXPERIENCE...do you all HEAR THIS?  MY EXPERIENCE, has been that black people raise their children in fear of being switched, pinched, abused.  Do ALL of them do this?  NO.  Do the MAJORITY?  statistics will answer that.  MY EXPERIENCE was with living in areas where the people who were the most violent with their children happened to be and happen to be black.

Now, I hear Tiff saying "we're different, we are higher-class..."some could classify THAT as child-abuse if they wanted to see putting your child into so many activities as being wrong.  (two N's in my world are very proud that their children are so involved in many activities too.)  I'm not even deeply touching that issue here, lest more dissention start up with my name attached.  Maybe another thread can be started about abuse, neglect and spoiling (the "star" children of society) I'll leave it there.

~RM