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lightofheart

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On Bullying
« on: August 07, 2006, 08:43:06 PM »
Intro Note (from LoH)/Text on Bullying

Dear Folks,

Repeat bullying is why I chose to stop posting here, with sadness. In the same way that an atmosphere of mutual respect and basic civility encourages free speech and welcomes new voices to the table, I think verbal scorn and disparagement send toxic ripples into the VESMB community. The stress and intimidation generated by verbal bullying, imho, accumulate and extend beyond the instigator(s) and target(s) of any one act of bullying.

To clarify, I would draw a distinction between calling behavior bullying and calling someone a bully. As character assessment, imho, ‘bully’ sounds absolute and dismissive, just like any other name-calling. Identifying behavior as bullying, especially repeat behavior, I think, is a necessity of dealing with its consequences. I found the text reprinted below very useful, but I disagree with the author’s choice of ’bully’ as a label.

Disagreements, even impassioned ones, are a part of life. Exactly when fair comment crosses a line into derogatory speech isn’t always as clear-cut as name-calling and threats. I think bullying speech is usually belittling and toxic. Toxic accusation usually goes beyond objections and/or disgreement regarding someone else's words and disparages that person’s intent, character, or motives. The most common responses to this kind of bullying are angry and/or defensive responses or walking away—all responses that shift attention away from the person doing the bullying and their behavior.

Anyone can take offense, react defensively, or make accusations in the moment. Most people, imho, do this rarely, and later take responsibility for their behavior, express regret, and apologize or make amends. A person for whom belittling accusatory outbursts are a behavior pattern, accompanied by denial and/or justification in the moment and afterwards, evidences serial bullying and, statistically, is at a tremendous risk of repeating. Some people who vent their anger this way will repeat the pattern indefinitely across their life rather than take responsibility for their behavior and its affect on others. This would be my 100% flawed and subjective opinion…also 100% consistent with my experience around bullying behavior.

(If this info is helpful to one person, that’d be the best goodbye gift I could imagine leaving at VESMB, where I’ve reaped such benefits from all the generous and helpful information and heartfelt personal sharing from y’all. Thanks for all you've given me here!)

The following text on bullying was posted on www.bullyonline.org, website of the UK National Workplace Bullying Advice Line. I edited for length and relevance, also, to a small degree for content: I tried to eliminate the most absolute, potentially inflammatory and judgmental language about bullying; with it, mentions of personality disorders and several bullying/narcissism comparisons. I stuck to Attention-Seeking Bullying only, as a type, because seemed to mirror virtually all of the bullying I’ve observed here. I chose a thread rather than What Helps for this, because it struck me as potentially unwelcoming, possibly intimidating, material to place at an entry point for new VESMB visitors looking to share around healing and recovery.

Definition of workplace bullying by Tim Field
"Bullying is a compulsive need to displace aggression and is achieved by the expression of inadequacy (social, personal, interpersonal, behavioural, professional) by projection of that inadequacy onto others through control and subjugation (criticism, exclusion, isolation etc). Bullying is sustained by abdication of responsibility (denial, counter-accusation, pretence of victimhood) and perpetuated by a climate of fear, ignorance, indifference, silence, denial, disbelief, deception, evasion of accountability, tolerance and reward (eg promotion) for the bully."
Tim Field, 1999

"All cruelty springs from weakness."
(Seneca, 4BC-AD65)

"The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance my deride it, but in the end, there it is."
Winston Churchill

I estimate one person in thirty, male or female, is a serial bully. Who does the following profile describe in your life?

The serial bully:
  • is possessed of an exceptional verbal facility and will outmanoeuvre most people in verbal interaction, especially at times of conflict
  • is unusualy skilled in being able to anticipate what other people want to hear and then saying it plausibly.
  • is self-opinionated and displays arrogance, audacity, a superior sense of entitlement and sense of invulnerability and untouchability
  • shows a lack of joined-up thinking with conversation that doesn't flow and arguments that don't hold water
  • is evasive and has a Houdini-like ability to escape accountability
  • undermines and destroys anyone who the bully perceives to be an adversary, a potential threat, or who can see through the bully's mask
  • is also quick to belittle, undermine, denigrate and discredit anyone who calls, attempts to call, or might call the bully to account
  • is highly manipulative, especially of people's perceptions and emotions (eg guilt)
  • when called upon to share or address the needs and concerns of others, responds with impatience, irritability and aggression
  • often misses the semantic meaning of language, misinterprets what is said, sometimes wrongly thinking that comments of a satirical, ironic or general negative nature apply to him or herself
  • knows the words but not the song


Responsibility
The serial bully appears to lack insight into his or her behaviour and seems to be oblivious to the crassness and inappropriateness thereof; however, it is more likely that the bully knows what they are doing but elects to switch off the moral and ethical considerations by which normal people are bound. If the bully knows what they are doing, they are responsible for their behaviour and thus liable for its consequences to other people. If the bully doesn't know what they are doing, they should be suspended from duty on the grounds of diminished responsibility and the provisions of the Mental Health Act should apply.

From casework I've been able to identify four primary types of serial bully:

The Attention-Seeker
Motivation: to be the centre of attention
Malice: medium to high; when held accountable, very high
  • emotionally immature
  • is cold and aggressive towards anyone who sees them for what they really are or exposes their strategies for gaining attention
  • manipulative of people's perceptions, but in an amateur and childish manner
  • manipulative with guilt, ditto
  • everything is a drama, usually a poor-me drama
  • prefers not to solve problems in own life so that they can be used and re-used for gaining sympathy and attention
  • capitalises on issues and uses them as a soapbox for gaining attention
  • exploits others’ suffering and grief as a soapbox for gaining attention
  • misappropriates others' statements, eg anything which can be misconstrued as politically incorrect, for control and attention-seeking
  • excusitis, makes excuses for everything
  • shows a lot of indignation, especially when challenged
  • lots of self-pity
  • demanding of others
  • easily provoked
  • feigns victimhood when held accountable, usually by bursting into tears or claiming they're the one being bullied and harassed
  • presents as a false victim when outwitted
  • may feign exclusion, isolation or persecution
  • consistently tries and will do almost anything to be in the spotlight

Avoiding acceptance of responsibility - denial, counterattack and feigning victimhood

The serial bully is an adult on the outside but a child on the inside; he or she is like a child who has never grown up. The bully wants to enjoy the benefits of living in the adult world, but is unable and unwilling to accept the responsibilities that go with enjoying the benefits of the adult world. In short, the bully has never learnt to accept responsibility for their behaviour.

When called to account for the way they have chosen to behave, the bully instinctively exhibits this recognisable behavioural response:

a) Denial: the bully denies everything.

b) Retaliation: the bully counterattacks. The bully quickly and seamlessly follows the denial with an aggressive counter-attack of counter-criticism or counter-allegation, often based on distortion or fabrication.

Both a) and b) are delivered with aggression in the guise of assertiveness; in fact there is no assertiveness (which is about recognising and respecting the rights of oneself and others) at all.

c) Feigning victimhood: in the unlikely event of denial and counter-attack being insufficient, the bully feigns victimhood or feigns persecution by manipulating people through their emotions, especially guilt…

Other tactics include manipulating people's perceptions to portray themselves as the injured party and the target as the villain of the piece.

By using this response, the bully is able to avoid answering the question and thus avoid accepting responsibility for what they have said or done. A further advantage of the denial/counter-attack/feigning victimhood strategy is that it acts as a provocation. The target, who may have taken months to reach this stage, sees their tormentor getting away with it and is provoked into an angry and emotional outburst after which the bully says simply "There, I told you s/he was like that". By tapping in to and obtaining an inappropriate release of pent-up anger the bully plays their master stroke and casts their victim as villain.

Reflection
Serial bullies harbour a particular hatred of anyone who can articulate their behaviour profile, either verbally or in writing - as on this page - in a manner which helps other people see through their deception and their mask of deceit. Serial bullies hate to see themselves and their behaviour reflected as if they are looking into a mirror.

Projection
Bullies project their inadequacies, shortcomings, behaviours etc on to other people to avoid facing up to their inadequacy and doing something about it (learning about oneself can be painful), and to distract and divert attention away from themselves and their inadequacies. Projection is achieved through blame, criticism and allegation; once you realise this, every criticism, allegation etc that the bully makes about their target is actually an admission or revelation about themselves.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2006, 08:54:40 PM by lightofheart »

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2006, 09:15:21 PM »
So very, very interesting.  And also familiar.  No wonder I have spent so much of my life feeling anger.  My sister was like this, I had a boss like this, neighborhood kids were like this.  And yes, I have had those feelings dredged up from time to time in this place.  Knowledge is power.  This knowledge may help me to learn to step back and recognize the pattern before I respond from the gut and lose my dignity.  This is a good gift, ((((LoH))))).

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2006, 12:42:36 AM »
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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2006, 01:22:26 AM »
Dear LoH,

My introductory disclaimer (feeling silly as I type this)...

When I read your posting here, I wondered whether people are afraid to respond because any response at all might be viewed as "choosing sides" or "prolonging conflict". Of course I don't know what anyone else may be thinking, but personally, I've realized lately that my own past response in support of various board members has been interpreted as a matter of siding-up. I was ignorant. It has never been my intention to "side up" with anyone or against anyone, but only to acknowledge when someone states the truth as I see it.

That said, I would like to formally declare my support to you ... not that I am in agreement with your perspective re: bullying, but I am in agreement with your need to protect yourself from harm. I'm sorry that you feel at risk in this place, but I can relate to that feeling. This is risky business with plenty of unknown factors and so much room for misunderstanding. I have felt bullied here and I've  fought the urge to retreat, but there has always been enough encouragement and enough positive growth to cause me to not allow the negative to overcome. At this point, I have come to the conclusion that bullying is often in the eye/ear of the beholder/listener. I don't expect you to come to that same conclusion, but I hope that you will allow for the possibility that as people who have been deeply wounded, we often can be our own worst enemy. Just getting a glimpse of that can make all the difference, I think. A few years ago, I would have interpreted any one who expressed strong views as a bully, simply because I was so afraid to have any strong views of my own, let alone express them. I've recognized more and more lately that I have some serious issues with women who (from my perspective) try to exert authority in a corrective, disciplinary (I like Write's word... sanctimonious) sort of tone. They may not even really have that tone, but if it's what I hear, that's it for me. I'm not saying that these are some of your issues... just giving examples of some of the things I'm now aware of in myself that are changing my reactions to others. And then there's the bottom line... please understand, I'm not trying to dismiss your concerns, but I've come to this point and whether it's a good outlook or a bad one, it's where I am....  my bottom line is, So What?? So what if there are bullies in the area. I don't have to give them my lunch money. I don't have to carry their books. I don't have to read their posts. I don't have to paint a B on their forehead. I can walk within my own safety zone, type there, read there, rest in peace there, and live and let live.

   I understand that your safety zone requires you to eliminate exposure. Mine did, too, for most of my life. I'm saying these things because I wanted you to know that I didn't see how it could ever change for me, and yet it's changing. I'm not so frightened. I no longer have that drive to run. By the way, as that urge to flee began to ease, the urge to expose the villain moved in, but only for awhile. That phase was short-lived, because someone talked with me the way I'm trying to talk with you. I couldn't respond to you before, LoH, because I wasn't where I am now. That's how quickly it can change, I believe, once a person stops trying to outrun the shadows and shines a little light into the gloom. I only hope this brings you some hope.

With love,
Hope

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2006, 09:01:05 AM »
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So What?? So what if there are bullies in the area. I don't have to give them my lunch money. I don't have to carry their books. I don't have to read their posts. I don't have to paint a B on their forehead. I can walk within my own safety zone, type there, read there, rest in peace there, and live and let live.


and THIS is how you break the cycle of dependency and/or codependency, and it has been my point from the moment I got on this board as well.  It should not matter as adults, what other people do or say, when you feel secure in yourself.  If you are in a place where you are still in physical danger and can get out, but you stay, that is a bad choice on your part.  If you can't get out, then may GOD move His hand to get you out.  No matter what, though, it is not a healthy choice to take on upsetment from other people's actions, and if a person is doing so, then therapy is needed until they are healthier and stronger.

~Laura

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2006, 10:22:35 AM »
BULLYING
I guess it is different things to different people .

Some think its only physical.Some think of hurting biting words.

Of course on the board its words.Sarcasm.etc.Below the belt stuff.

Unnecessary hurtful comments not needed to make a point.

It would be good  not to do word bullying.I think everyone would agree .

Or maybe we need to talk about what the rules of conflict are?
MOON

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2006, 01:43:30 PM »
hi moon,

I am in favor of talking about that.  Having read the Rules of Conflict doesn't mean I understand them.  I would hate to think I'm bullying and can't see it.  I need to talk more in order to understand this.

A lot of good ideas were thrown out, then I think people got scared to talk about them.  Some points that were brought up:

1.  what constitutes sarcasm? (anyone can answer if they like)
2.  how does it feel to be reacted to with sarcasm?
3.  are bullying words only those that start with "you" phrases and include words like "always" "never" "here we go again" and that just sound absolute?
4.  what are the elements of passive aggressive bullying?
5.  should one wait for an invitation before giving advice?  Is it bullying otherwise?
6. etc

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2006, 04:48:58 PM »
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Penelope:

1.  what constitutes sarcasm? (anyone can answer if they like)

using an answer so as to make the other person to feel like they are stupid.  Sometimes sarcasm is fun and understood that it's just playing around...for instance, my entire family constantly "ribs" each other about things, and we know better than to get all bent out of shape because of it.  In a healthy, balanced situation, I believe sarcasm is actually part of general humor.

Sitcoms use sarcasm...it's a sort of way of saying "duhhhhhhhhh" as in, "of COURSE, dingbat"  to insinuate that something obvious has occurred but the person didn't catch on.

I have very little problem with sarcasm, if it's done in a funny way that I can join in and laugh at.  If it's used as an attack weapon, different story, and I WILL be up in arms, when not yielded to the Holy Spirit in my life.

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2.  how does it feel to be reacted to with sarcasm?

As I said, it depends on the motive of the sarcastic one.  Now, to people abused by N's, of course, sarcasm will all be taken offensively.  They have learned that sarcastic remarks are there to belittle them as children or even adults.  Sarcasm with an n'istically abused adult-child, will be perceived as a LITERAL thing and thus offend them, from what I've witnessed.  Same with my avoidant PD friends...sarcasm will just make them feel attacked and ridiculed and give them another reason for avoiding new situations or people.

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3.  are bullying words only those that start with "you" phrases and include words like "always" "never" "here we go again" and that just sound absolute?

No.  Bullying can be any sort of words that intimidate another person PURPOSELY.  If domineering over someone is understood by BOTH PARTIES to be joking, then no harm done.



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4.  what are the elements of passive aggressive bullying?

Not sure, but I have seen passive aggressive behavior, where I was told by a minister that I was an assistant to, to keep people away from her because she was busy, and then in the end, the minister accused me of driving all her friends away.

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5.  should one wait for an invitation before giving advice?  Is it bullying otherwise?

I think if one is listening to a convo on a public forum, that person has every right to comment.  If it involves two or more other people and the situation does not concern the one, the one is best staying OUT of it.

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2006, 04:53:03 PM »
1.  what constitutes sarcasm? (anyone can answer if they like)

Hi pb,

My hope my ideas on sarcasm will be helpful.  I have used sarcasm all my life, and it hasn't worked, and I have promised myself to stop using it.  So, maybe what I am able to share might be a contribution to this part of it.

It is hard for me to quote examples of my own sarcasm because I use it less and less but if some of my own examples come to mind I'll list them.  For me it is easier not to do it in writing because in person I use tone of voice and facial expression along with words.

These are the feelings I have when I use it:  fear, frustration and anger.  It makes me feel powerful when I'm feeling backed into a corner.  So, it is beneficial to me to use it during arguments or when accused of something.

I used sarcasm everyday when I was raising my oldest son.  One example I remember:  he was having another serious problem due to depression and I was frantically trying to get him to confide in me what was going on.  (In my mind, right now, I'm thinking, "yeah, that was the way to make him comfortable confiding in me, be frantic, beg him to talk, threaten him"--right there is an example of sarcasm to myself and it shows I still don't value myself as well as I should).  As he clammed up more and more and the tension grew and grew I said, "Well, then I guess we'll talk about it in a few years when we're both on Oprah!"  (You know, on one of her confessional shows where she tries to fix a broken family relationship, don't know if she still does that kind of show anymore.)

That display of mine was kind of an awakening moment.  He was probably 12 or 13 when I said that to him.  And that was a common occurance between us.  All those years.  He learned to be sarcastic back to me, too.  We used it against each other.  But I was the adult.  I should never have stooped to that tactic.  But it was a tactic born of fear and desperation.  I had no idea what to do as a parent.  Other than try to control him.  That is one of the things I was trying to accomplish by using sarcasm.  I was trying to control him when I felt completely out of control.

I learned it from my parents.  My father would say things like, "Way to go, Silas" if someone did something that annoyed him.  He would say the word, "Cute!", in a tone of disgust, if he meant he thought it was something stupid.  He would imitate us if we cried about something or tattled on each other or tried to get him to step into a fight of ours.  If I felt humiliated or hurt my mother would point and laugh (maybe a stretch to define this as sarcasm, but laughing should be reserved for something that is funny, so maybe because it is the opposite reaction to what should have been said, that could fit under sarcasm.)  Sarcastic comments that I make are usually words that are the opposite of what is really meant.  "Oh, great!"  When it is something that is not great at all but really making me mad.  Exaggerating when I have made a mistake that someone comments on, like "I do this all the time because I like making all this extra work for myself--it keeps me busy and you know how I like to be busy."

There are times when everybody is using sarcasm, such as at work when there is a crisis and people are blowing off steam.  It is fun for the participants to try to top each other with more and more ironic, sarcastic comments.  But I bet the quieter workers, we have some who you can barely hear when they are speaking directly to you, might think all the sarcasm is making the stressful situation even worse since the problem itself hasn't gone away and now noise and unhelpful comments have been added to the atmosphere.  At work, I've seen this one in action.  The people not in on the sarcasm party just can't wait to get out of the room.  It distracts them from doing an already difficult job.

Here is a common one with people I know.  If you say something that they already knew (but you're not a mind reader and thought you were contributing to the conversation) they will reply with, "Ya think?!?"  That one has been said to me a couple of times and I felt like I had said something dumb and then felt like defending myself.  My reply was along the lines of, I have never met so and so before and now understand what people have been saying about him.  But I felt defensive at the time.  I guess my "mind reader" comment above is also sarcasm.  It really is a habitual method of communication for me.

What I am trying now in order to stop using sarcasm is to make sure that each thing I say is truly what I mean.  Is there any possible way I might regret what I'm planning to say?  Is it factual?  Does it make sense?  Does it reveal my true feelings, the ones behind the hurt and anger?  I try to imagine if the words will still be true tomorrow or a year from now.  That's why it's much easier in writing, for example in an email.   I have time to think and consider and read it back to myself.  I hope that this practice in my correspondence and here on the board is translating to new habits for when I speak to someone in person.  That is taking longer for sure.  But it is on my mind often when I communicate.  I do use it less and less in person.

I think that learning to communicate in a way that avoids sarcasm leads to truer and more trustworthy communucation.

Pennyplant
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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2006, 05:09:04 PM »
Life would be boring without some sarcasm and humor.  I wouldn't want to be on the earth without it.

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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2006, 05:19:23 PM »
RM, I want to learn to appreciate "boring"!  And I'm not kidding on that one.  I've always feared being boring.  That fear has led me to some stupid behavior.  Not acting out, but being so nervous and worried about being boring that I've made people uncomfortable and less interested in me.  Self-fulfilling prophesy!!

Sometimes the quiet times are when I have been able to be in tune with my companion and the environment.  Sometimes the quiet times are when insights and good ideas have finally come to the surface for me.

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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2006, 06:26:49 PM »
I like these insights Pennyplant.  SOlace is a good thing too.  You are right and I thank you for reminding me.

~Laura

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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2006, 07:45:05 PM »
To add to the 'what is sarcasm?' discussion:

I realize the bite that sarcasm holds and, in normal day to day life, I try to withhold the use of it.  It is however, my third language, (the first being the king's English and the second being my African-American pidgin (plantation) language, or Black English or just plain broken English if you'd like to look at it that way :lol:).  To me sarcasm was a gift of grammar that allowed me to 1.) be sassy-mouthed with my Nmom and Nteachers without them really knowing it, [N's never really 'get' sarcasm, I think], 2.) let off steam without blowing my stack, and 3.) find the coolest friends.  For me, sarcasm breaks the ice.  If you can catch one of my quick sarcastic cracks and better yet, toss another zinger right back at me, we're friends for life. The drier and wittier, the better.  I do understand that sarcasm can be hurtful, especially when the receiving end was or is the victim of a verbal abuser.  People who don't love sarcasm deserve respect for that.  I do, however, have a pretty dark-side to some of my humor, so I think the world of sarcasm when it's used in the context of comedy and lightheartedness.  I do have to say that I slip it in sometimes, though, when someone is particularly on my nerves.

I love how in the movie, "40 year old Virgin" the main character and his teenage co-worker, talk to each other in the language of sarcasm. The 40-year old virgin guy, who I thought was a pretty evolved human for the record, told the kid, "Your sarcasm is not lost on me, in fact, it is a language I know and speak very well." There was that moment of understanding that closed the generation gap between the two. I don't think it always has to be so bad, sarcasm.  However, you can definitely use it as a vicious weapon.  I know I've pulled it out of my (arse)nal in the past, and I really try to watch it these days.  But sometimes I can't help it, I just love to play with words!!! :P

See ya later guys
Tiffany

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2006, 07:57:56 PM »
Sorry Loh for participating in the high-jack. And I don't think we met, properly. It's great to meet you and I look forward to future postings with you.  I hope it's okay that we went off on the sarcasm tangent?  If not, I apologize for that.


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Re: On Bullying
« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2006, 08:20:33 PM »
Sarchasm - the gap opened between people when one deliberately uses wit to wound the other [and pretends it's about being funny].
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