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seastorm

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2007, 01:59:52 AM »
CB, Leah and all

Your words about living with an abusive man were so beautiful and right on.

Sunny you sound so caught in the middle, pulled in both diirections at once. Covering up for your spouse is not working for you or the kids. Kids know everything. Have you talked to them and clearly said that you feel like a guardian who is protecting them from the rage of their father? And how is that for them?

I don't think you are on the brink of losing it. I think you are in the terribly painful place of coming to your senses and recognizing that things can't go on the way they are. That place of LIMBO is really a tough place to be. Keep writing hear. Your story is so familiar.

I am curious.... Does your husband drink?

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2007, 05:17:05 AM »
I think the kids know what is going on but it does not mean they will talk about it.  Sometimes there is a code of silence underpinning families.  The bloody elephant is sitting in the middle of the room and everyone ignores it.  When you and your kids have learned to be silent it takes a lot to find voice.  Be patient with them but I believe acknowledging your own truth is the most profound thing you can do.  It allows them to do the same if they choose.

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2007, 07:09:55 AM »
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I think the kids know what is going on but it does not mean they will talk about it.  Sometimes there is a code of silence underpinning families.  The bloody elephant is sitting in the middle of the room and everyone ignores it.  When you and your kids have learned to be silent it takes a lot to find voice.  Be patient with them but I believe acknowledging your own truth is the most profound thing you can do.  It allows them to do the same if they choose.

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Wow ! Axa,

Profound truth there.

You know, my brother and I never ever once said a word about our Nmother and violent Nfather.

And I had never said a word to anyone about my exNh. 

Kept my mouth shut all my life, including with my son.

There is a song "Silence is Golden" ..... not true.

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2007, 07:14:33 AM »
Sea storm,

My violent Nfather never drank - my exNh never drank either.

When I went on my course, I was interested to learn from the DV statistics, that it is a Myth regarding drink is the cause of DV.
I spoke up and said that mine were not drunk and amazingly all the ladies echoed the same.

It seems as though they just kind of feel and own the anger deep down inside, and rage.

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #19 on: February 03, 2007, 11:11:49 AM »
Hi Sunny,

Did you know that you can make a sort of preemptive appointment with a lawyer?
That is, you dont have to make a decision unless you are ready to, but you can always make an appointment and just go lay out the situation. Asking what you should be doing right now to protect yourself and your children, just in case.

Your situation sounds destructive enough to me that perhaps you should inform yourself of your rights, options, and best ways to protect yourself and your children.

I know it's hard to think of the future when the present feels like a prison. But there is a future. And you could make a big difference in all your lives by visualizing it. But keep your own counsel if you do...

sending support,
Hops
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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2007, 11:14:42 AM »
Leah

What is DV

axa

Good post hops, sound advice

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2007, 03:17:14 PM »
Axa,

DV is Domestic Violence  ..... & Abuse

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2007, 07:06:35 AM »
Seastorm,

No he doesn't drink much at all.  Some here and there.  I drink more than him to cope with him though.  Drinking to forget my situation worked for about a year and now, doesn't numb the pain at all.  Writing does.  This board helps.  A lot.

You know what is weird, I was reading M. Beattie book "Co-Dependency No More" and I remember putting the book down and being a bit baffled.  This was before my husband drank at all.  I wondered, why, if he doesn't even drink, do I relate to this book so well.  Besides the fact I am a classic co-dependent personality.  His behavior is just like a drunk at times.  He is proud of himself for not drinking in excess, which is probably why he doesn't.  He has a lot of BPD traits and behaviors, maybe that is why it seems he is a substance abuser.  If he does drink, he falls asleep-----hate to say it, but that is kinda nice.  At least I get a few hours of peace.

You are right, I am coming to my senses.  Sometimes I wish I could go back to oblivion.  But I know I would die.  I have begun a journey to which there is no going back.  He either comes along or he doesn't.  Probably not.  And I am coming to terms with that.  I am still trying to save face and trying to have some hope that there is a happy ending.  Soon as I get through that denial I can move on.  For now, I just think day-to-day.....HOW MUCH LONGER am I going to have to put up with this beast?  I know that is a question only I can answer, but you are all so incredibly supportive!

Thanks!

Namaste,

Sunny

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« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2007, 07:19:07 AM »
Dandylife,

I took your advice this weekend--thinking of you.  NH compalined his dinner I just put in front of him was cold.  He wanted me to jump back up from my dinner and re-heat it for him.  Like I would usually do even if he looked at it in a certain way, I knew what to do.  He had me running in circles being his "right arm". 
Well, I didn't go heat his food for him.  I just continued to eat my meal.  He ended up asking one of my daughters to do it.  This I am not crazy about, cuz he is starting to learn they will jump when he snaps his fingers, and they are old enough to replace me with waiting on him and doting on him.  Yeckkkk.  Don't know what to do there.

He was mad, so then he tries to tell me I should heat mine up too!  I just continued to eat cause it was just fine.  Then he was fit-to-be-tied, but he got over it after about 15 minutes.  I just ignored him and talked to the kids until he came around.  But the tension was almost unbearable.  Got through it though.  Now...the trick is to keep it up! 

Thanks for the advice.  For some reason that analogy worked for me and I am making baby step changes.

Namaste,

Sunny

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2007, 07:26:13 AM »
((((((((((((((GAP, Leah, axa, Hop, and Moonlight)))))))))))))))

GROUP HUG!!  Thanks you guys!   Your words of validation, advice, and encouragement are priceless!  One day I honestly hope to be able to help someone through this like you do.

You are in my thoughts more than you know.

Thanks,


Sunny

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #25 on: February 05, 2007, 07:34:48 AM »

Sunny,

Well Done You !!!  :)

Those baby steps will get bigger and stronger each day - just know it.

Warm thoughts and a hug,

Leah

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2007, 08:11:47 AM »
And now my dear CB,


Wow---your post moved me.  I have been thinking about it this weekend a lot.  First, it was a bit embarrassing to have my words about my fights with H posted back to me.  I just hate that part of myself who was capable of that----- it is so against anything I am.  But now I know a name for it.  The gaslighting is SOOOO obvious in each situation.  But this was necessary to help me come to a better resolve to make sure that doesn't happen again.  

Your advice in each situation is golden.  Woulda, coulda, shoulda.  I am ashamed, but a little proud of standing up to him.  At one point when he ws shoving me around, he was throwing me on our bed and I found myself just popping back up again and again.  Felt like about 15 times until, after I went to kick him from getting on top of me and decided not to go that far, I got back up again, went toe-to-toe with him and told him he could NOT do that to me anymore.  I would not allow him to back me into a corner again.  ETC.  My oldest saw that.  I hate it and yet, I feel she saw something she needed to see.  She came to tell me to stop fighting him because she knew I was in danger if I didn't give in.  He didn't even realize she was in the room, I just calmly turned to her after being pushed down and told her it was ok, I was going to be fine, and would she please see to the others for right now?  This is where his empathy mask is really evident.  He would usually pretend to care ever so much about her, but in his rages, he can't think about anything but himself.  This is the true person.  

A couple of thoughts,
Each of these last 4-5 episodes in the lasts year or so were the direct result of assertivness.  I start out assertive, he can't handle it, rages, and then I fight back.  I have been shot down each time I tried in these situations because I didn't do the day-to-day preventive assertivness, let the resentment build.  Got too emotional about it and then it was ugly.  It is hard to be what I think is "bitchy" on a day-to-day basis.  It is against my nature, but I realize it is a matter of survival now.  

I ask him once to stop his porn addiction a few years back.  I wasn't angry, I was assertive.  I told him I wanted a divorce.  He begged and cried.  And pretended to be suicidal, so I stayed.

I ask him to stop raging at us after he gets business calls and calls from his FOO and mother.  He pouted and tried to leave.

He always tries to leave.  It is so mean to the kids.

We fought once last year because I told him I could not stay up all night with him and then be expected to get the kids out for school by myself without some craziness in the morning.  I just wanted some sleep.  This has been going on for YEARS.  He gets mad, and leaves for work without talking.  I figure, enough is enough and text him to please come get his things later that night and please don't make a scene.  It was over.  He is with his mom so I think maybe she will help calm him down.  Nope.   He races home from 10 miles away, busts through the door and proceeds to rage at me calling me all kinds of things which now he claims he can't remember because he was provoked.  Among those names were crazy, irrational, delusional, lazy, rotten, stupid, a baby, crazy, crazy, crazy ETC.  Pretty much anything he could think of the put me down.  None of which are true.  But he had me wondering.  Actually had to ask my T to verify.  He said no you're just dealing with an N basically.

Then a few weeks later, after deciding he thought I was in love with someone from my past (20 years ago--long story) he out-of-the-blue tells me he wants a divorce cause I am being too NICE!!!  He just doesn't know when I am going to get mad at him again.  He does nothing wrong.  This is always his defense.  I didn't DO anything!   Whatever.
I just don't know which way to turn sometimes.  Okay ALL THE TIME.  

A couple of times, I am just blue (maybe a little PMS), and he pounces, gaslights, and then I am yelling.  

It seems passive is the ONLY way and also I know that can not be anymore.  I am SO frustrated!  

I know I had a conclusion here, but my mind has gone blank.  I think the monster is stirring, about to wake.  And it is freaking me out a bit.  I have been up all night with my 2 year old with a fever, who is now finally sleeping.  At least I didn't have to sleep next to that energy draining vampire tonight.  (NH) Anyway, I'd better check out for a bit today.  I don't wanna get caught and have this one last solace ripped away from my like everything else that gives me relief.  He won't allow me to write or talk to anyone.  So this is it.  

I'll be in again, when I can.  Thanks though.  You are helping me process this crap.

I hope you are getting some rest and that that mediation is coming through the pipeline this week.  Take care!

((((((((((((CB))))))))))))))  



Namaste,

Sunny


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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2007, 08:14:07 AM »
Thanks Leah!!!!



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I needed that this morning!


Hugs & Kisses,

Sunny

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #28 on: February 05, 2007, 08:58:58 AM »
Sunny,

Just read your last post, which CB has followed up, and posted wisdom and advice.

Concerned.

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Re: Which is better?
« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2007, 10:59:50 AM »
Sunny


Your post has shocked me.  I am very concerned about you.  It sounds to me like you are in a dangerous and crazy situation.  I know how you can get used to abuse so that it is something you think you can manage.   This is very over the top behaviour Sunny.  How much longer can you and the kids afford to take this behaviour.  As for his suicide threat and tears etc............ bullshit.  Take care of your kids they do not need to witness this behaviour.

please consider your position.

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