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« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2007, 11:41:16 PM »
Thanks Beth,
everyone has always liked that story. i was doing nothing but healong, so I did strange things!

My mother?

This is from another post:

Take my mother who was a disabled person from birth, operated on as a baby, didn’t walk until age 2, and with scoliosis and spina bifida, a crooked body, might not have felt worthy of love, and was known to have said she married my dad as he might be her only chance. She became subservient to an N and was the dutiful wife who never talked back.

I have to wonder if she had ever known Love, or felt she was unworthy of it.


Finally hit the wheelchisr at age 47 when I was 17 and on the verge of leaving home for the big city to work and be on my own.

xx
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« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2007, 11:45:50 PM »
Thanks Iz, I missed that post. It must be hard to know what their relationship was based on. Maybe she really did worry that you would somehow become dependent like her when you had the accident.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2007, 06:14:28 AM »
Poetprose

says....he tries to talk the talk, but can't/won't walk the walk.  So true.  I also ask him recently as he tried to hurry and apologize so he could just be let off the hook for asking like a jerk, that sorry doesn't really mean anything to me anymore coming from him.  He just continues to do the same crap over and over anyway.  If I bother to call his game he makes me into the mean bit** for making him suffer and answer for being a jerk.  And then comes the ever so sincere SOOORRRY!  He's like the kid in the trunck of Uncle Buck's car that he forces to apologize for something who yells it sarcastically at the top of his lungs.  (If you've ever seen the show Uncle Buck, ya know what I mean)

Oh, and I mention one thing that he has done that is hurtful or insensitive, and he makes it into complaining that I attack him about EVERYTHING and NOTHING he does is right.  I know he does this just to play on my pity and guilt and confuse the issue at hand.  Does your son do that?

Sorry to hear about your son.  Yeah, it's not the same problems or the same relationship as your son, but it's the same behavior it seems.  My NH is addicted to something...mostly himself!

The "doublespeak" and contradiction and lies CAN drive one who doesn't operate that way up the wall and hurt so much!

Thanks for the support!

Namaste,

Sunny


Oh yes my son is an expert at game playing.... 

With him , however I made it clear to him, that I will not "invest" in any of his politics , He knows exactly what I mean when I use the word "politics" too, - what politics means is , BSing, himself and me, making excuses for behavior., rationalising, woe is me pitty party's, 

So I confront the deviant behavior and call it what it is, I wouldn't even address what he called his friends* as friends, I called them his "enablers" right to his face.... 

self pitty was his main weapon.... and again , I just stood up to it, exposed it , and called it to the table, my 25 yr old daughter was my helper to, as she has taken alot of physcology for her law and corrections courses at the university, so between her and I, we were able to be that "one unified voice" that he kept bouncing off of......

over a course of years I have written poems to him, to try and reach him....   as long as he is livng under this roof, he will not be a passive participant,  I told him that he has to pull his weight just like everyone else in this family.....

Just the other day we were sitting outside on the deck, and he said , thanks for being on my ass mom.... I said, your welcome, now go and make some real friends, friends who will call you to the table when need be, friends who will invest in your growth, instead of your weaknesses....


he is in sobriety now, he is off the chemicals, and has been working steady, and has paid his car loans off.... but the truth is,
his personality will never change, all i can do is work with it, as long as he is living under this roof.....  I know i sound like a drill sargent
but what else can I do........

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« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2007, 08:43:43 AM »
You sound like a drill sargent whose orders are going to save this young man, Poetprose.

Bless you for your courage in setting boundaries for him when he was too weak to set them for himself. You and your daughter too.

He is a lucky young man, to have a chance to start again.

You are a wonderful mother.

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« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2007, 09:49:29 AM »
Hi ladies...

I am new here.  Not sure what all your abbreviations are.  Hope to get to know you all.  I am currently in counseling for "my" problems.  Hope I can share my counseling with you all so as to help you(whatever I mean by that).  Sunny, I emailed you.  I will be hiding this from dh as he gets really jealous when I am on forums..can only do it when he is gone.

MaryKay

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« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2007, 10:13:18 AM »
Sunny,

My sense is that things are continuing as they have been for a long time.  Being incapicated, watching, seeing makes it all the more real.  This is an opportunity for you to SEE what is going on and gather your strength.  With your kids you must be so busy, take your time now to see the "love and care" you are getting or should I say not.  Maybe there are no accidents.

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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2007, 11:22:21 AM »
You sound like a drill sargent whose orders are going to save this young man, Poetprose.

Bless you for your courage in setting boundaries for him when he was too weak to set them for himself. You and your daughter too.

He is a lucky young man, to have a chance to start again.

You are a wonderful mother.

Hops

Thankyou !!! and it is so nice to have someone understand where I am coming

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2007, 09:38:05 PM »
Poet,
I too think you are doing a tremendous job. It is far more important to guide and set guidelines than to be a friend. And you have to call kids on their selfish behaviors. You are right, your son will always be who he is. But he has a better chance of being happy this way.

Welcome MaryKay. Please come on when you can. I wish you strength and courage in breaking away.

Love, Beth

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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2007, 01:30:02 PM »
Izzy,

I feel like such a baby for complaining.  I hope I didn't offend in any way.  I really don't know what to say.  Thanks so much for your story.  It really puts mine into perspective.  You must be so strong.  And you must be such a wonderful person for those who worked with you to care soooo much!  I am impressed by their kindness.  And entertained by your fun stories of the mail drop.

That must have been so hard!  I need to figure out how to put photos in so I can brag on my kids!

Speaking of moms......

As far as my mother goes.  She lives 15 miles away and I didn't tell her about any of it.  We are currently n/c from her abusive Nism I finally had to tell her to get lost last year for good.  Wouldn't matter anyway, she wouldn't help or have any empathy....she doesn't know how.  It is terribly sad really.  She asked once when I went into an emergency C-section "if it was necessary for her to be there" and  she was at work only 3 miles away!  She had a perfect attendance record at work and didn't want to mess it up!  Even my NH was shocked by that.  My father has never hardly given me the time of day so he is not really someone to go to either--even for a hug.  Neither are.  Going n/c hasn't seemed too different,as far as being ignored by them,  I just have to listen to my NH tell me how wrong I am for it constantly and hear how upset HE is by it.  Whatever.

So basically, I wanted to say thanks for the reality check even though I realize that was not your intent.  You are a brave and strong woman and I have thought of you many times since I did this, believe it or not.  I was hoping to hear from you!!!  I didn't know about your mom though.  Wow. 

Thanks.  Thanks. Thanks!

Bless YOU!

Sunny

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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2007, 03:05:52 PM »
Hi Sunny, 

It was not meant to be a reality check.......just an outline of how thing s can happen and who responds with help and who is just too afraid to get close in case , if they are friendly enough, might have to take me in, in my old age.

There are all kinds of people.

I am still on my own looking after myself, driving a car. Will be 38 years in June.

Can you hire a helper to come in? Can you rent a wheelchair to get around? From my experience ya can't do a damn*d thing on crutches, like carry a cuppa coffe, or a laundry basket. I went back to work and hired a cleaning lady for about 3 years.

Can you bear weight on your leg? Walking cast? Straight leg cast?

Many people tell me how strong I am. That comes, I think, from feeling so much on my own from the time I was very little, so I tried to be as independant as possible in many respects. It was scary, but I faked it til I 'maked' it! I also worked on my sense of humour as it has carried me through many times when I thought people were pitying me, and I couldn't stand that.

Know my grandson's favourite vegetable?
"ME!"

Only I can tell that one! This would set people at ease--self-depracating humour, I think it is called.

Yesterday I was a the Library, approaching it, and saw a young woman leaning against the building in tears. I hesitated , then asked if she were okay, could I do anything, talk? She said no and thanked me, but later I was looking for my books and she was searching the Library for me, came up introducced herself and we had a longish chat. She thanked me for stopping----it happens too seldom these days.

So my story has a weird FOO, an alcoholic relationship which I left, with my daughter, then he killed himself 7 years later, then in 1998 a relationship wiith an N, whereby I moved 2000 miles away from 'everyone' and then that I got out almost 5 years ago, June 2002.

In everything, although I never heard it said to me, the phrase, "You made your bed, lie in it!" came to mind, so I bumbled forward by the seat of my pants and here I am @ 68. By striking out on my own and doing for myself, I might just have sent out the vibes that I wanted to be left alone, i could do it myself.

I still have people ask if I need any help (and sometimes I do) but mainly I hear, "I see you've done that before!"---like putting the chair in the car (one lady tried to help once, dropped the chair on my foot and broke 3 toes) and packing up my groceries (I know better how to do it so I can get them from the store to the car and the from the car up to the apartment and my secret is brown bags, no plastic----it flops and slides all over.

Everybody at work loved me, as I was the Payroll Clerk. I wrote their pay cheques!!!!!!!

I have Photosuite in which I resize pictures, then they have to be on the Internet to be linked to here.

I build websites, so I can slip files into their server and link. After a while I remove them.

I also do bookkeeping at home, so I didn't have to re-train after the accident, being I always did office work.

I feel for you and the Ns in your life. Detaching is difficult, in my opinion, when you are still sharing a home. It is far easier when you are not. but You just remember to think of yourself first, and get into a good place or you will not be able to deal with the children. If you put them first and self last, you won't be in the right frame of mind.

It sounds selfish but it is the order I heard and understood.

Take good care now

love Izzy


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« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2007, 03:10:53 PM »
Sunny and Izzy ,

Your words of courage and strength are awe inspiring .

Thank you and Blessings

moonlight

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« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2007, 05:24:44 PM »
Sunny, my guess is your children love you dearly!  Get them to help with things...make it a game.  Let your NH see them helping you.  Hey, it would teach them to care for others...something your NH can't do. 

I was thinking here  :shock: and my NH is always overly concerned about me.  But that is because when he isn't OK, he gets really upset if I don't come running and attend to him.  I will tell you this funny story...He got stung by a bunch of bees once.  He is allergic.  I was with my grandson (2-3 at the time) and I couldn't leave him.  His SIL was there and she is a nurse so she went with him.  Now I could not help him so I thought he was better with her administering his epi-pen.  Boy did I catch heck from him for not attending to his needs.  Of course, it didn't help explaining why I didn't.  I should have been there for him!  He laid it on thick and at the time I felt really guilty.  Sure glad I have open eyes!!!!

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« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2007, 05:30:15 PM »

Welcome MaryKay. Please come on when you can. I wish you strength and courage in breaking away.

Love, Beth



I'm new so excuse me for being so ignorant...what do you mean "in breaking away"?  I really can't.  I don't want to.  I probably don't need to.  Are the people on this board all broken away:?:  Please help me!    :oops:

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« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2007, 05:40:33 PM »
(((((Moonlight)))))

Thanks!

CB,

I know you are out there and somehow that makes me feel better!  I know you care!  Hope all is going good for you and your are finding the gifts of life on your horizon!  

Much Love........


Izzy,

I have wondered about a wheelchair, luckily my kitchen and laundry and bedroom are all on my main floor.  I did just move from a house full of stairs not too long ago so I am glad that isn't still the case.  I have an ottoman that rolls around on my wood floors that I can use to get from room to room and make my way around the kitchen but that was before surgery when I was a bit more mobile and less in pain.  
No, I can't put ANY weight on the leg.  It did tend to have a nasty habit of bending to the outside when I did since technically what I did was not only fracture the larger of the two lower bones (tibia?), but I crushed it as well.  At the same time I tore all but one ligament around my knee and the ACL had to be completely replaced.  They had to use some of my own hamstring muscle to replace that in surgery so I am re-growing that as well as healing the repaired 3 or more  knee ligaments and they fixed my knee-cap from earlier sports related injuries.  Lots of teenage kamakazee volleyball with and without knee pads and a fearless go-for-it attitude.  Wonder where that went?

Casts are out too, but I have hoped for a wheelchair at times.  Rots to not be able to carry anything when going from place to place.  So my hands are useless too most of the time when moving around.  Luckily I got my hands and other leg and armpits from being sore before the surgery or I woulda had to deal with all that at the same time as the pain of the surgery.  It has only been 11 days since surgery, but each day the pain is better.  3-4 weeks till I walk, I think. though.  No weight until then.  

I see about the being  strong comments, and the help-but-no-help attempts.  Because, believe it or not, I don't complain anywhere but here, so people don't realize how much pain I am in.  I didn't even wince when I didn it and didn't ask for help until the next morning when I thought I might pass out due to pain in the night.  I still laid there and waited until my NH got enough sleep so he wouldn't be ornry and tired to next day so he sould go to his meetings.  He didn't realize how bad it was either since I didn't show it. I just didn't want to be a pain and make him mad and rage all the way to the ER.  Which he has done before with child injuries.  He had till morning to cool off and deal with it.  I let him know very gently I was in bad shape or he woulda freaked about the inconvience and cost and whatnot.   I do stuff myself a lot becaue I am used to it and I don't know how to respond to someone giving a sh** about me.  It actually makes me uncomfortable to accept help for that reason.  Don't know why anyone should care.  That's from mom and dad/  Thanks so very much!

As far as helpers, I had his sister forced (by her mother) to bring dinner to us the other night, and she brought her whole extended family, made it there and stayed until midnight to "chat".  I had to entertain and deal with a houseful of 12 people all evening.  4 days out of surgery.  Some people are so dense and selfish, but more of what I expect from his dysfunctional siblings and mom.  They pretend to help, but really it is all about them.  Sad, but true.  And on top of that my Nh decided he would schedule some work that night knowing she was coming and leave me home alone to deal with his sister who hates me now thanks to him telling her lies about me.  All SO MUCH FUN! And sooo--NOT helpful!  Rather be on my own thanks!   Then I wasn't even allowed to complain to him in the middle of the night when she left because then I was the rotten one who wouldn't let anyone help me and then judge them for it!  He gets me coming and going.  I swear!  

Wanna know what he did the very night of my surgery?  Since I am thinking about it?  They sent me home with a cooling system to keep wrapped up inside my bandages to keep the swelling and pain down.  It was a cooler that pumped ice cold water into the bandage that we needed to keep filled with ice and then plug into the wall to operate.  He put me to bed alone that very night and then came in and turned OFF the cooler pump  so HE could get some sleep.  I suggested earlier he might have to sleep somewhere else, but he insisted on sleeping with me cause he wanted to.  I never dreamed he would turn off my medical supplies!  My relief!!  It was too loud for him to sleep!  I laid for 8 hours in pain and finally asked him to turn it on when he had had enough sleep and it was morning.  Otherwise I risk ticking him off and being helpless and getting a tantrum while I worry about the kids seeing the whole affair and blah, blah, blah.....  

This stuff is making me sick to type.  Of all the utter crap stuff to do!  I never said anything.  Just let him know I was in a lot of pain ,but then had to arrange for a different cooling system by nightfall because i knew I couldn't have that any more.  The doctor got after me for not using it any more and he just sat there mad at me listening innocently to the doctor tell me I had to use that and extremely bent outta shape for me not being his little kitten since I got injured, resenting having to have to drive me to the doctor and hospital for tests to see if I had blood clots in my leg.  I can't even drive!  It's my right leg!   Yeowww.

Soo...my teen and tween kids help a lot.  but he is always mad cause things aren't perfect enough when he comes home, but I told him that was how it was going to have to be.  I have kept a few home from school this week while he goes and shops for himself, pretends to go to work until late and washes the car.  

debkor,

I think it was YOU who said be the best actress in the UNIVERSE and that goes through my head whenever I have to deal with him and I kicked it in on Sunday.  I have become his little kitten again.  And he is not mad at me any more and threatening to leave and acting aloof.  But he threatened me during sex after finally whining enough about not getting any sex since I got hurt that I didn't see I had a choice, that I had to stop torturing HIM, and stop pushing him away, stop breaking HIS heart!  Yadda yadda yadda!

"Best actress in the UNIVERSE, best actress in the universe, best actress in the universe!"  I keep telling myself.

I wasn't too bad at putting my feelings aside before, but I have to be pretty proud now, I think.  Other than using me to be his little yes-girl wind-up doll, he basically ignores me and lets me do what ever.  Still leaves me to fend for myself all day and most of the night under false excuses to work but then again, I would hate it if he were here worse, so whatever.  Never seen him so intereseted in working, so maybe he will get something done!  What a toad!!!

As far as he is concerned, I am an angel from now until I walk out and leave him alone.  With all the right stuff in place.  Don't even care any more about having to be two-faced.  But I know it is the only way to operate now.  Wish me luck ya'll.  

Ciao!

Blessings to ALL!

Sunny


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« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2007, 09:44:06 PM »
Camper,

I didn't used to want to "break away" either.  Time changes and feeling change when things get worse or people refuse to listen, I guess. 

Welcome.  I used to get scared when people told me to leave because of how bad he was.  But that was based on how bad he was.  I know yours isn't that bad--- just frustrating, either way it is nice to vent and be heard here.  It's all something.  What you do about it is up to you, IMO.

Post more here and others will understand and support you in any situation or frustration you have, I am sure of it.

Namaste,

Sunny