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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #45 on: May 26, 2007, 02:31:39 PM »
Janet – feel free to take that motto and ditto on the “The Bomb.”  With respect to it being HARD - I am the same way, when I am in the midst of the trees, I have trouble seeing the forest, and sometimes get lost.  When someone else is in the trees, it is easier to see the trees and forest, and help them find a way out.   I am very sorry to hear you have a toxic sister too – my brother was pretty bad to me growing up so I know how it feels - we have no relationship to speak of now.  If your sister sends another 3500 word temper tantrum – can you delete it without reading it and block her e-mail?  Or if you can’t block it, can you send an e-mail back that makes it look like her address is blocked?  Something to the effect of – This is an automated reply – please do not respond.  Please be advised that this account will not accept e-mails from this address.  You will only receive this notice once – all subsequent e-mails will be automatically deleted and will not reach the account owner’s in-box. 

Ami – I was the same way.  I decided to go NC.  At the time, I hadn’t searched for any information on the Internet.  I was at the point of sheer frustration and pain and decided that I had had enough.  I thought – I give up, I am tired of trying, I may be a difficult and horrid child, but this won't change whether I stay or go – so I choose to go. Then I searched and found so much information and my life changed overnight – I am not alone, they have a disorder....This site is such a wonderful place.  Child abuse and domestic abuse, unless extreme, is largely hidden.  Places like this expose it to the light.  I am hoping that because of sites like these, and if we tell our stories, maybe awareness will increase and more will be done to stop it. 

Do they do it to others?  My mother – no.  My mom would get that “sugary sweet oh-so-fake tone of voice” with me when others were around – or she would cloak the nastiness in the guise of a compliment, a compliment designed to make her look good.   My father – definitely no, he had to be the charismatic one, the center of attention, the life of the party.  My friends used to tell me how lucky I was to have him for a father (gag).  This is part of the problem – no one would believe what went on behind closed doors.  Their masks would slip now and again, but they were masters at covering it up. 

CB – you said: 
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Finally she became terminally ill, and I thought it would be impetus for her to change her way of relating to me.  It wasnt. …..On her deathbed, she was exactly the same as she had been all of her life. 

I do understand this, completely. My father had a long battle with cancer.  I thought maybe he would see the light and come around.  The last couple of weeks were horrendous. At one point he was confined to a bed in ICU.  The temper tantrums were unbelievable.  His face would turn purple with rage, and he would hiss and scream like an animal.  He grabbed the bed rails and shook the bed so hard it moved across the floor – these were very heavy beds.  He had a tube into his digestive tract to help drain fluids – he ripped it out.  He would throw food or drinks at us, scream that he should have killed us as pups, thrown us out on the street, we were miserable human beings….  I didn’t dare go within reach of him.  He was so awful to the female nurses that they finally only assigned male nurses to him.  I went to visit him one day, and he spent 6 hours talking nonstop about what an awful wife my mother had been, and that all the mistakes he made were her fault.  He would talk about my siblings and how stupid and immature they were.  He told me he was God.  This went on for 2 weeks.  It is hard to describe how horrific it was, it was just awful.  I think that he just couldn't handle the fact that he was not in control of what was happening to him.  The mask he presented to the world had been ripped away and his true nature was exposed – very scary and very, very sad.

CB –
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I grieved more than just her physical death.  I don't know if you can imagine this, but it's been eight years and her stuff feels so far away.  I don't know if I could have ever managed this degree of detachment while she was alive.  But her death made me feel truly free.

I too grieved more than his physical death (and as awful as he was he was still my father).  That last couple of weeks it was so apparent, despite those awful behaviors, he was a tortured soul.  After he died, I grieved for him that he never had a truly happy life, he never had a chance to heal and grow in himself, and I grieved for me that I never had a real father.  And yes, as time goes by, his stuff does feel further away.  While he was alive (and please don’t be offended – he was a very abusive man), I was hoping a Mack truck would hit him; however, now that he is dead and no longer devising new ways to torture me, my hope for him is that he has found peace because he certainly never had it in this life.   

The only catch to all of this – I finally felt free and let my guard down.  Big mistake -  after I let my guard down, his “mini-me” (my mother) struck.   

CB – The difference for your kids is that they have you.  I see such courage, strength, perseverance, and wisdom in your posts.  I see this by what you write – they live with you and know this at a far better level than I do.  They are very lucky.  They may struggle with their father, struggle through the understanding that he has a problem that can’t be fixed, but they have you to balance the equation, and that is a wonderful thing.  Please don’t think for one minute that you don’t count – nothing will count more in their lives.

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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #46 on: May 26, 2007, 05:47:11 PM »
CB,

I echo what Peace said - your kids have you, and you can explain about their Dad. Even now, my Dad doesn't understand that his wife for 37 years (till they got divorced the year I started NC) made my life hell with her N behaviour, as my Mum made absolutely sure that when she was at her worst, it was just her and me - no witnesses. He thinks we just 'fell out' over something that I won't discuss with him, and that I don't want to see her 'at the moment' (i.e 13 years, so far). It just goes over his head, or he's in denial - I don't know. But I have little time left with him, I think, and I don't want to spend it talking about her.

How old are your kids? Would it be difficult to let them read this board, as you've put postings on here, too? Could you cut and paste bits out, and talk it over with them? I would have given anything to have had an explanation when I was in my late teens/ early twenties, when my NMum's behaviour was at its worst. No internet then (I'm 44).


What you and Peace said about when parents die, is what I expect to happen with my mother - I'll grieve the fact that I never had a mother, and that she never had peace in her life, but *her* as a person, no, I don't hink I'll be able to mourn her like 'normal' daughters would. I certainly won't be going to the funeral, or even sending flowers, nothing. I'll look forward to the fading of the hurtful memories, that's all. At least when she's dead she can't add to the list of what she's done so far. I do worry that my Nsister will take up the baton, though.

Peace,

That's a good idea about the emails if I get any more form my Nsister. The 3,500 word email I got recently was a shock, as she sent it via her husband's account, so I didn't recognise it as being from her. She's posted me stuff by snail mail before, but never emailed, so I was taken by surprise. It was a mistake to have read it, because it screwed me up for weeks, but I resisted the temptation to reply to it and put her right 'point by point', as I know now that that doesn't work with Ns, they'll just come back with a load more stuff. Still, her email made me look online for info about NPD, and I found out so much in a really short space of time. So incredibly helpful, if distressing.

Ami,

I should think that when your mother, and my mother, are both in hell, at least they'll have something to talk about - us! And much good may it do them.

Janet

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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #47 on: May 27, 2007, 05:35:39 AM »
Ami,

Thanks for the 'funny award' (I wonder what the trophy for THAT would look like...? Don't even think about it!)

I'm sure that if you can reframe how you see the events that have shaped your life, it would help an awful lot.

I used to think like you seem to at the moment - that what's happened is so bad, that I'm 'damaged' forever. But the 'story' in our heads can be changed to be something different. It takes a lot of work, but you can learn to tell yourself a different story, one that is more positive. You don't have to ignore or deny the terrible stuff, it's not llike being in denial, but it sort of says ' this DID happen, I am stronger now because I survived it, I can learn from it and never get in that situation again, I can care for myself', etc,etc.

Books by Louise Hay are good for this kind of 're-learning'. She's very hot on affirmations, and acknowledging your past.

As to having a life-changing experience that changes you - I can relate to that one. I had a burst appendix 18 months ago, and what with the shock of the actual illness, the shock of being in hospital (when talking about it afterwards, I often 'inadvertantly' referred to it as 'when I was in prison'), and facing up to the realisation afterwards that I nearly died, has changed me profoundly. Some things don't worry me at all now, but other things I feel I want to get sorted, so I can get on with my life.

I like the phrase 'fur baby'. Never heard pets described like that before. I used to have two cats, and they were definitely like children to me (I haven't got children). When each of them died (7 years apart), I was distraught. They are so *honest* in their love, aren't they?

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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #48 on: May 27, 2007, 09:21:55 AM »
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Janet's new kitty calling...

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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2007, 08:55:53 PM »
Hops, DON'T!!

I've got a friend who lives miles from me now, and every time she sends me a card, it's got a C-A-T on it!! And she keeps asking me if I like ginger ones best, or tabby ones...! One day I'll give in, and get another one...

Ami,

You asked about my 'near death' experience - not sure how close I really came, but here goes (this is long - be warned!):

I woke up on a Wednesday morning, and while my husband went downstairs to make some tea, I suddenly got an excruciating pain in my stomach. I just knew it was appendicitis, as I’d never felt a  pain that sharp before. He heard me screaming, and came back upstairs. I just said ‘Do something!’, so he called an ambulance. It took about 10 minutes for the ambulance to arrive, but 45 minutes to get to the nearest hospital (we live in the country). When we got there, I was put on a trolley in the corridor, head to toe with other people (they’d run out of cubicles – this is the National Health Service, and it’s falling apart!), and left for FIVE HOURS! They said they couldn’t give me any painkillers, or water even, until a doctor had seen me. My husband kept asking when I’d be seen, but it was obvious there were other people who needed seeing to before me – the man next to me was in agony, and on his own, too, and I felt so sorry for him. At least I had my husband with me.

Eventually I got seen, and surprise surprise, they thought I had appendicitis! By now my stomach was quite swollen, so they put a drip in ‘so I wouldn’t get dehydrated’, and moved me by ambulance to another site, where I was put on the Assessment Ward. Another wait of five hours. We kept pointing out to any nurse that passed by, that the drip wasn’t working, and that my blood was backing up the tube, rather than the fluid going into me, but they just flicked the tube and said ‘that’ll be OK’.

The pain got so bad that by 7pm they gave me morphine. Then I had an interview with the surgeon. Not the best way round, really, was it?! I was talking rubbish, he seemed obsessed with the fact that he thought there might be a tiny chance I was pregnant (as I told him, my husband had a vasectomy 25 years ago, so that’s hardly likely!). When I went to have an Xray, I couldn’t remember my name, to sign the consent form. They said to just put an X, but I couldn’t remember what that was, so they had to hold their hand over mine to help me do it. What a state I was in!

I got onto a proper ward by 9pm. My husband stayed with me till 11.30pm. when he was chucked out, and told to go home, and that they’d operate during the night. He’d been really calm and so supportive all day, and had had nothing to eat (he gets IBS, so that’s not sensible for him), and he only told me afterwards that when he got out to the car park he’d left the lights on on the car and the battery was flat. He had to call out the AA to get the car going, and didn’t get home till 3am.

I went in to the operating theatre at midnight, and remember feeling really calm – most of the staff were great (except one nurse who was a bitch, and I hope she rots in hell). As I arrived there for the pre-med, the anaesthetist took one look at the drip in my arm and said ‘who on earth did that?’ When I said ‘Some nurse on their first day in Casualty’ she turned away and said to someone else 'That’s really dangerous.’

The next thing I remember is coming round, about 4am, back in the ward, and feeling a weird happy feeling. I started laughing (don’t know if that was the drugs!). I felt hot, but SO relieved. One of the male staff who was really nice got me a soluble Paracetamol painkiller, as he remembered that I can’t swallow tablets (leftover feeling from having anorexia, I think – I refuse to swallow stuff that I’m TOLD to).

In the morning, when the consultants did their rounds, the surgeon who’d operated on me went past and did a double take and said 'My God, you’re all pink! You were grey last night. We were so worried about you.’

It turns out (I didn’t realise this until I found the operation consent form later) that I’d signed to say I understood that there was only a 40% chance of me surviving the operation. But, as my husband said later, if I hadn’t had it, there was a 100% chance of me dying. Apparently, the whole of my abdominal cavity had been full of pus by the time they operated. Yeuch!!

Anyway, I hated being on the post-op ward (full of daft women who talked inane rubbish, the TV blaring out from 5.30 am till 11.30 at night) mixed sex toilets and showers, awful, inedible food…

I was so determined to get out, that I watched what you had to do so that I scored enough ‘points’: get out of bed on my own and sit in a chair, not on the bed, ‘exercise’ by walking up and down the corridor with my drip-stand (within hours of the operation), go to the toilet unaided, drink their disgusting over-chlorinated water, don’t go to sleep during the day, eat their yucky food…

By the second day, I managed to convince the consultant that I could go home (so, my mother was right… I AM a determined little cow!). They phoned my husband to tell him (he cried then, he told me later – isn’t that sweet?). I asked him to bring ‘smart’ clothes, as I wanted to go out dressed properly, so after getting dressed behind the cubicle curtains, when I came out the woman in the bed opposite said ‘My God, you look like a different person!’ I really felt like one, too. When I got home, I was in bed for a fortnight. My husband was brilliant – he made lovely food for me, read to me when I was too weak to even hold a book, worked out that he could wash my hair for me without me getting out of bed if I lay sideways with my head over the edge of the bed…

I had a really bad reaction to the antibiotics that I was sent home with, and that was almost worse than the appendicitis. The side effects meant that my breathing was erratic and laboured, I had hallucinations, and the nightmares were so scary I tried to stay awake rather than experience them every time I went to sleep (violent bombs going off in crowded areas like markets, with spirals of metal shot out in all directions, cutting people to bits, all with a ‘soundtrack’ of screaming. The worst nightmares I’ve ever had). He stayed with me through all that, appearing calm whenever he was with me. He kept my business, as well as his own, running smoothly while all this was going on (we each run mail order businesses from home).

Gradually I got stronger, until after a month I could stand upright for long enough to go shopping to the supermarket with him. Wow! The outside world! Around this time, I was ‘allowed’ to have baths again (once the dressing had come off). The first time I sat in the bath and saw the scar, it just hit me what had happened, and I had a panic attack. That wore off over the next couple of months.

But I had a lot of time to think, while I was in bed for those weeks. Why hadn’t I died? What was the point? I remember thinking that I wasn’t ready to die yet, that I planned to do so much, sooo…perhaps it was a kick up the backside to get me to get on with it, and stop wasting time…

In the April of 2006, we were invited to the wedding of my husband’s nephew. It was a big wedding, very posh, at an Anglican church in Birmingham. Because of contacts in the family (the groom’s mother is on the General Synod of the Church of England), the service was taken by the Bishop of York, John Sentamu. I had never heard of him, then. I didn’t believe in God, and I’d expected the day to be a bit dull, to be honest. And I always cry at weddings, too.

Anyway, after the first hymn (where I’d cried – the singing always gets to me), I was looking at the decorations around the walls, when I very clearly heard a voice, female, but definitely NOT mine, say ‘How many times do you have to get to this point, before you do something about it?’

It was then that I knew I had to start going to church, and sort out what I believe in. I spent the rest of 2006 searching the internet for spiritual paths that allow for a feminine face of God, and that’s why I chose the Unitarians, and we’ve been going since February this year.

All this has had a profound effect on me, as you can imagine. Me and my husband were close before all this, but we’re even closer, now.

I still don’t know quite what to make of the ‘voice in the church’, though. What do you think?

Janet

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Re: Reasons for anorexia and eating disorders
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2007, 11:50:21 PM »
Janet.
Oh I am so glad you survived to sit in the sacred space and sing...

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