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teartracks

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Snobbery vs Humility.
« on: June 04, 2007, 01:57:27 AM »



Hi,

Is snobbery an integral part of narcissism?  Can snobbery and humility coexist? 

A Few Forms Of Snobbery)

Social
Moral
Intellectual
Religious
Pseudo Intellectual
"The' Arts
Knowledge
Cultural
Culinary
Verbal

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 06:28:03 AM »
My mom is only a snob In those things she feels superior in-like religion but not cooking-she looks down on young people with tatoos.  Lets just say she thinks she is better than most but doesnt come out and say it-you can just feel the vibe.
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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 07:25:39 AM »
Oh wow, TT...can't believe we haven't talked about this one, the "special people" that are good enough to associate with Ns.

I always attributed my mother's snobbery to insecurity, since she grew up poor and married well-to-do. Certainly that was part of it, but used to just grind my teeth over the little remarks that in some way suggested the poor "deserved it". Yet, she always had pity for children, and was distressed when she heard of cruelty to children. Though she was clumsy about loving me, I believe she did/does. But the snobbery was relentless.

She had a very happy marriage to an amazingly good and devoted man. She talks about how fine he was. I go, he sure was. Then she invariably repeats an anecdote (100s of times, this one): You know, Mrs. So and So (a fellow teacher) said to me one day, you know, we all always envied you your marriage.

She tells that story and relishes it, and just can't let it go. I guess being the object of envy of a worse snob was huge validation.

My last Nbf was a horrendous snob. His nose practically twitched. He just got this sort of "gleam" look when fine wine or food or travel were discussed...as though, oooooooh, now we're in the appropriate territory. Blecch. Made me want to burp at the table and drink out of a jar, and I do know what to do with all the forks!

One of my snob-triggers is when my mother will say of someone (invaiably another woman, she rarely criticizes men, likely because she was always beautiful and charming and men gave her a lot of attention): Now, she's very interesting. Or, she's quite something.

Curdled my breakfast, those terms, because it was a syrupy put-down and I never wanted to follow up and say, why? It would always be elaborated as something about their education or their appearance. Yarrgghh.

Well, thanks. This little rant has been just like caffeine!  :shock: :shock:

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 09:12:34 AM »
would you believe that X actually came to me at one time and told me that people told her she was a snob.  Of course at the time, I wanted friendship with X, so I said "nooooooooooo you're not a snob...you just know what you want and you get it."  X said "thank you!"  and that was that. 

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 10:50:41 AM »
I know for a fact that my NDIL is a snob!!!

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 11:42:37 AM »
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Is snobbery an integral part of narcissism?

Without doubt. But I think it takes two forms. The conventional snobbery of explicitly aspiring to the 'finer' people, objects and ideas, and the more subtle snobbery of intentionally disdaining such things. I suspect the first case is among people who are more socially confident, whereas the second is for the truly disordered who are afraid to even try to enter that world and so disdain it while secretly admiring it. Like Hamlet's mommy they doth protest too much, though precisely what 'dothing' is I'm a little fuzzy on.

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Can snobbery and humility coexist? 


I suppose they can coexist in imperfect forms, but as one grows in perfection the other will shrink accordingly, I would think.

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 11:48:25 AM »
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Like Hamlet's mommy they doth protest too much, though precisely what 'dothing' is I'm a little fuzzy on.

doth = do

(th)

As in, Mud ith a thtitch.

((Doofuth))

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 12:23:28 PM »


Hi Hops - I guess we'd never talked about snobbery as a specific topic here, at least in my memory.

OC -  I'd heard you mention that your mom was a snob.  Where does she get off, eh???

CB -  Sometimes, I think examples of how 'not to do things' show up in our lives to teach us lessons.  Such a conundrum though trying to understand it all.

RM - Have missed you.  What's going on?   How is school going?

Pattibear -  Sometimes the snobbery is so blatant you can't miss it.  Sometimes though, it is very subtle. 

Mud - whereas the second is for the truly disordered who are afraid to even try to enter that world and so disdain it while secretly admiring it.  Inverted snobbery...I'm not sure it's restricted to just the disordered, though.

I agree, snobbery and humility can only coexist in imperfect forms.

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 01:38:23 PM »


Hi Mud,

I suppose they can coexist in imperfect forms, but as one grows in perfection the other will shrink accordingly, I would think.

No matter our circumstances, the quest for humility, as in Godly humility (not the floormat kind), and starving the snobbery is the key, isn't it?   Working on it, OK?  Working on it!

tt

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 02:53:12 PM »
Hi tt,

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Inverted snobbery...I'm not sure it's restricted to just the disordered, though.

Yeah, I thought my phrasing was kind of ambiguous when I wrote it but couldn't think of anything better. I meant that among Ns, generally those most thoroughly disordered are also the most likely to be the ones most inept at social interaction and therefore most likely to engage in what for them is the safest form of snobbery, the inverted kind, as you so nicely put it.

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No matter our circumstances, the quest for humility, as in Godly humility (not the floormat kind), and starving the snobbery is the key, isn't it?


Takes awhile to learn that the former is true humility and the latter is just another form of pride doesn't it? Still learning it. :?

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 05:22:24 PM »
if you met my ex you would never have him down as a snob- more a slob. In fact this 'salt of the earth working class man' is who he likes to see himself as!

It's only in deeper conversation you learn he thinks he is the cleverest man in the world.

There are cultural aspects to snobbery, people thinking to behave a certain way gives them 'class' or whatever, we saw a lot of that in ENgland and I see it now in the Southern states, a certain code of what people think they ought to be reading or wearing etc.

It's not necessarily anything to do with Nism

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 05:32:13 PM »
We are not a classless society, that's fer sure.

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 10:23:32 PM »
Y'know what, tracks?

This is why part of me wants to hold on to at least some level of discomfort when I am praised.

I don't want to become proud.

I know what a constant danger that is.

Thanks for helping me see this. Now all I have to do is find the point of balance... which should just about take the rest of my life.

Oh well. Nobody said it would be easy, did they.
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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2007, 12:12:03 AM »


WRITE - & CB - To me good manners equals class.   One could  exhibit good manners to enhance underlying snobbery, but I don't think you'd have to wait long before they showed their N underbelly. 

Storm - I don't think anyone here would argue that finding the right balance is easy.  I get glimpses of how it would be to be truly humble, but it's fleeting.  I'm working on it though!

Ami - I never thought of it the way you describe, being a PERFECT snob.  That's a good one!

Hops - Sometimes it feels like to me that we ARE a classless society.  Very classless!

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Re: Snobbery vs Humility.
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2007, 12:45:56 AM »
One x would tell me about how, though she had a lot of money, she would shop at thrift stores.

Teartracks, thanks for missing me.  Feels good when someone notices you aren't around so much.  School is actually on hold till Fall for me, since I have to run the concessions business with hubby and family all summer long, almost every day.

~RM