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Lupita

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Dantes's Infernos and children's fermentation.
« on: June 07, 2007, 08:46:20 PM »
Babies do not choose where they are going to be born When we are born, God puts us in the hands of our mothers. If our mother stopped developing emotionally at the age of seven, she is going to say things that are not true, and will confuse us. We will grow not knowing what is going on, not understanding what is going on.  I am 50 years old and I am hardly trying to get free from my prison. The prison of desire of love, the desire of approval, the desire or being treated fairly. Stopping to need. To take care of my self, not need anybody, not to have any expectations, almost having a state of coma.

Here are some articles that I found interesting.

http://blog.dantesinfernowithchildren.com/2006/12/fermentation.html


“Slowly, ever so slowly, I am putting this puzzle together. I'm hoping that if I am ever able to put all the pieces together the finished product will be a whole person - me.”

http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=PAQ.051.0435A



"How Narcissistic Parents Form and Deform the Emotional Lives of Their Gifted Children." Psychoanalysts will be particularly interested in the first chapter of this book; here, Miller's insistent

http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Personality_Disorders/narcissism/faq64_2.html

Freud conceived of each stage as the default (or fallback) of the next one. Thus, if a child reaches out to his objects of desire and fails to attract their love and attention – it regresses to the previous phase, to the narcissistic phase. The first occurrence of narcissism is adaptive. It "trains" the child to love an object, albeit merely his self. It secures gratification through the availability, predictability and permanence of the loved object (=oneself). But regressing to "secondary narcissism" is mal-adaptive. It is an indication of failure to direct the libido to the "right" targets (to objects, such as his parents).


Surgery next Monday. Thank you for your prays.

Love,

Lupita


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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2007, 11:53:01 PM »
Sending good vibes your way Lupita

Your mother is coming to help care for you during and after surgery?


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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2007, 01:25:50 AM »



Lupita,

Here's wishing your time in hospital will be a time of healing and rest.  I'm wishing for you wise and precise handling of your surgery.  Have yourself a good hot  biscuit with yummy melted butter on it  as soon as you're able to eat. 

My N has the equivalent mind of an eight year old.  What you say is so true.  The links look interesting.  Hope I can find some quiet minutes to read them.

Bless you,

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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2007, 05:15:52 AM »
Lupita,
Best wishes for a quick and painless recovery!!!!!
Yes, you are right, my mother is infantile. When I talk to her now, mostly she whines that I, "get to do everything she wants to do." I am so sick of being treated like the daughter to envy and hate. Ugh.
Please take care and keep searching. I know we will all find the answers on how to build our lives around this situation soon.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2007, 07:39:10 AM »
Lupita,
Sending you warm wishes that you will nurture yourself and think only loving, kind thoughts toward yourself as you heal.

Will be wishing you calm and faith on Monday, and all the strength you need...

love
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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2007, 07:50:24 AM »
Dear Lupita,
   I have missed you. I will be praying for you on Monday.. Thanks for the links. They look good.
 Lupita, put yourself in God's hands. he will help you with your mother.God did not want us to have those bad people. Our mothers chose (Or could not help it) to be that way.God would never want us to suffer with N's as mothers.
   As I start to get a self  back, I see that my mother probably could not have helped thinking the way that she did. She could help her actions ,though. I think that she chose to rage and have tantrums. However the general way that she thinks,I don't think that she can help.
  Lupita,keep writing. I have missed hearing from you                           Love and a BIG Hug    Ami
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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2007, 10:22:07 AM »
Lupita, may you have a quick and easy recovery.  You are stronger now, and your strength will serve you well.  Observe carefully what is going on with those around you. 

Your mother is in her own little world.  You don't need to go in there with her.  You can stay outside, where you can do the best work on your recovery.  Know that even when she seems to have intention in her behavior it likely to be merely habitual, rather than intentional.  Her behavior really has nothing to do with you, it is something that comes from her, regardless.  Let her help you, and perhaps it will make her happy to do so.  Either way, it is the correct thing for her to do, and she needs to do the right hing.  But keep a safe emotional distance from the tempest.  Do not feel obliged to respond.  Your response is strictly optional, and you will need all of your strength for recovery.  Being tired is an excellent reason for not talking to an N.  Later, when you're all better, being busy is another excellent reason.  :wink:

You will be fine.  God bless you.

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2007, 01:26:21 AM »
Thank you so much for your wishes and your prayers. I really need them. I spent one week in New York City for purposes of professional development. My son came with me and satyed at the hotel. While I was at my conferences he was having fun in the city. I had a very intersting tireing week. After I recover from surgery on Monday 11 of June, I will tell you my rpofeesional adventure. You might not belive it. But it is true. My mother went back home, she did not want to come to New York. Now that I have a date she wants to come back.
Before she came, I was happy taking my belly dancing classes, salsa dancing classes, gym classes, literature club, positive thinling club, meditation books. I was living for my pleasure. She came to rememeber me who I am. I was in prison again. I came to New York to take this course that put me in prison also, and now I am going to have surgery in prison. She wants to come back and wants that my son goes to the airport to pick her up during the time of my surgery, and I really want my son there with me, not in the airport waiting for my mom to have an oscar for her performance. I know that I have to be more compasionate of my mother because my son is compasionate of me. It is hard. She always thinks that I planned something bad for her. That I organize things to be bad for her. She looks at me in an ugly way and then she looks at somebody else, anybody else with a smile.
I get very depressed when a professor at my conference look at me in a way similar to my mother, I have constant fear that somebody would get mad at me for any reason. I feel like a piece of trash.

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2007, 01:32:03 AM »
Another interesting article. I nees to stop blaming my mother. I need to cure my self. I need not to need anybody, to take care of my own needs. To be independent. That is freedom, to be independent. At the moment that you need the action of sombody else for you to feel well, you ares setting your self for prison.


http://www.pep-web.org/document.php?id=jaa.009.0525a

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Re: Dantes's Infernos and children's fermentation.
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2007, 01:39:35 AM »
  If the chicken crosses the road back and forth, repeatedly, while worrying about being hit to the point until it forgets which side it started on in the first place, it has Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder.

 

·        If the chicken crosses the road in traffic because "they" are coming after it and "they" control the traffic lights - oh, and the cars are part of the plot to kill it too - then it has Paranoid Personality Disorder.

 

·        If the chicken crosses the road against the light and then takes a baseball bat to every car that passes it, then it has Antisocial Personality Disorder.

 

·        If the chicken crosses the road because it thinks all the other chickens are talking about its feathers and therefore its feathers must be ugly and it must hide from everyone, it has Avoidant Personality Disorder.

 

·        If the chicken crosses the road so it can cause a huge melodramatic scene and get everyone's attention, it has Histrionic Personality Disorder.



·        If the chicken is furious that he is abandoned to make the decision concerning when to cross the road alone and spends his day roaming back and forth manipulating other chickens into crossing when he tells them, the chicken is Borderline.

 

·        If the chicken will not cross the road because there are other chickens across the street and stands there daydreaming about a glorious road in his imagination, he is Schizoid.



·        If the chicken crosses the road and expects a marching band, reporters and hoards of adoring fans to be there to celebrate this achievement, it has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.



 


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Re: Dantes's Infernos and children's fermentation.
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2007, 08:27:41 AM »
Dear friends, I need your help again. I have surgery tomorrow and my mother is coming back tonight. She already wrote me an  e mail that she is doing an extraordinary effort to come. She already wrote that I cannot deny how much she loves me and I have to tell my borther and sister. It already makes me fell bad. Plus my insurance makes me pay 1,500 deductable, so I feel bad.
Give me ideas, dear friends , please, what to say to her, how to program my self so I do not go back in my progress to feel "well" with my self.
Write me friends, your words are help.
Thank you.

Lupita

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2007, 08:36:17 AM »
Portia told me a while back to keep it all light...
Many others gave me great advice before my trip home last summer.
Armed with what I knew from here, I did a MUCH better job of dealing with her than ever before. I could look at her from OUTSIDE the relationship and see that it wasn't ME who was the bad/crazy one.
No matter what she starts with... "It was soooooo difficult for me to come..." (Uh, hello, I am the one sick and having surgery...) remember that her reactions don't have to set you off.
Lots of love and best wishes through the surgery.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2007, 03:46:34 PM »
Just my opinion, but I say that your son should be with you, and your mom can take a cab from the airport.  No question about it.

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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2007, 03:50:27 PM »
Lupita,

Do you have to have your mom here at all? 

I agree with Confounded, your son should be with you.  If your mom doesnt like it, maybe she would rather stay home?  (hint hint)

I'll be praying for you tomorrow, Lupita.  And waiting for all your good stories from New York.

Love
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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2007, 03:58:44 PM »
[I know that I have to be more compasionate of my mother because my son is compasionate of me. It is hard.




Dear Lupita,
  I hear many "shoulds" that you have with your mother. IMO, there are no shoulds with an N mother. My mother gave me all the "things" that yours did. I have NC.
  I prayed about it and felt that God moved me away. I felt that He led me away at every step.      IMO, your relationship with your mother is killing you. It is suffocating the life out of you. It is self defense. Either she dies or you do. That is how I look at it.
  I was in your spot for my whole life. She would have killed me if I did not have Divine intervention.
   They would rather kill us than change. Staying with them as it is will kill us. Thai is my honest opinion. Reject what is not for you. That is how I see it. If they can not give us the simple  respect that you would give to an animal, then they are dead to me                   
  I will be praying for you tomorrow                                          Love Ami
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No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung