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Re: Body and Body Image
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2007, 12:25:58 PM »
I love this board.....I have NO idea what 8 stone means.....you must be from the UK!!! 

All I know is when I was a little girl my mother called me "fat fat."  She just does not know how she affected me.  When I was in 9th grade I got my weight under control, became a cheerleader, etc.  I was never FAT when I was young but a bit thick.  In high school I was a twig.

I went up to 170 pounds and stayed there a long while.  My ideal weight would have been 150.  After kids it inched up and finally when I was 38 and hormonal it has progressively gotten worse.  Now I weigh in at 247......5' 10" tall......Lap BAnd in 19 days......

My cousin had it done and lost 135 pounds.  It cost him $17,000.  My insurance would have paid for it if I was a BMI of 40 or more - or a BMI of 35 with heart condition, diabetes, hypertension.  I have a BMI of 35 with hypertension but I have only had it a few months - you have to treat it for a couple years to get it insured.  Anyway, it cost me $15,500.  But if I can lose 80 or 90 pounds I will be so much more healthy and feel so much better and hopefully my body image will improve!!!

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Re: Body and Body Image
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2007, 01:20:18 PM »
OC,

8 stone means 112 lbs.

Yes, I'm from the UK!

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Re: Body and Body Image
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2007, 01:39:01 PM »
Write,
I hate myself. I don't even have a part on my body I like. I hate my feet, my ankles, my calves, mt thighs, my huge ass, my gut, my stretchmarks, my breasts, my aged chest (sunspots), my upper arms, my lower arms, my hands, my neck, my back, my face. I am trying to get in shape and seeing no difference and wishing for the days when I looked good and didn't believe it so I could believe it this time.
I don't know what to do.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2007, 02:30:55 PM »
Beth,

I'm sorry you feel so bad. This struck a chord with me:
"wishing for the days when I looked good and didn't believe it so I could believe it this time."

I feel a lot of bitterness towards my NMum for making me feel I was ugly (because she said I was WHEN I WASN'T - trouble is, now I realise that, I'm not exactly 'past it' but definitely past my best years. And to think she did that on purpose, because she felt threatened by my youth. What mother is THAT jealous?

Oh, an N one, I forgot. :shock:

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« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2007, 02:32:29 PM »
I wish everyone would run around the beach naked...... esp the round wonderfully full bodied peopel who look comfortable in their skin.

I think it might draw a few stares in uber-repressed Texas, but maybe not. Maybe it would be one of those movie moments where everyone would join me, racing around naked, whooping for joy at their new-found freedom. Until the police arrived to round everyone off- they have little beach 4 X 4 s in Texas to facilitate making people tip away their Budweiser, even the most sedate middle-aged consumers, I kid you not  :lol:

From all the people I have talked with, losding weight is a 'personal' thing, i.e one must find what will work the best.

I think you're right Izzy, and there's certainly no shortage of stuff to try, though I will opt with common-sense healthy only!

And I don't exactly like Louise Hay either, though her books are works of art: she's a bit, well, 'daft' sometimes.... :oops:

I enjoy wearing clothes. HOWEVER it in NO,NO,NO way heals the inside. It is as empty, empty, empty as ever.     

wow Ami, sorry you feel so empty.
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I don't feel empty ever now for long. You'll get there, I know you will.

Wonderful picture there... rivers of living water, the Holy Spirit, flowing from the innermost being of the one indwelt by Christ.

I feel very much like I stepped into the lifeflow some time ago, and though everything has been stripped away from me and there were times I wondered what would be left if anything, I think this is my spiritual self and you are right.

I wonder who wrote John's gospel, well all the gospels really. Their religious experiences must have been profound.

And yet Jesus said they would mislead us, and they have and they do.

One of the nice things about not being at church by the way is not feeling forced into communal eating all the time; so often I have felt pressured to eat food there, when it was the last thing I needed from them!

I guess our bodies present our inner selves in some ways though, a woman at my last church told us she had been to a talk on stillbirth, because although she lost her last child decades ago, back then it wasn't seen as a loss and she never grieved. She always looked stooped and had a pronounced belly like she was pregnant. I sent her my poem when I miscarried when I was young, which was about the fact there was nowhere to put your loss feelings, and she went back again and talked to the facilitator. Last time I saw her her sticking-out stomach was gone, and she said she hadn't lost weight, in answer to my query.

I tackle my body image issues by making all my own clothes, now. So much of what is in the shops is badly made, badly fitting, nothing made properly for people under 5 feet eleventy-ten (tall, anyway). So, if I make things that suit my body shape, in fabrics that I like, I know I look better, so I feel better.

wow Janet. That's what I need. Nothing fits me quite right, not bras, pants, nothing.
I wonder if I could learn to make clothes?
And how to start?!

Lap BAnd in 19 days......

wow Kelly, good luck. Are you nervous?

I hate myself.....I don't know what to do.
Love, Beth


well I think it takes time to change actually body shape, but you could start with some of my self-care regime, such as I always take care of my feet now, wheen I can't afford a pedicure I trim them myself but every day at bed I put on 'Flexitol Heel Balm' and socks and for the first year ever i love that my heels aren't cracked and bleeding. And I discovered just this week a new product by Johnson and Johnson who make the baby products 'Night Soothing Cream' with lavendar, I put it on all over at bed, it really does help you sleep but also my skin is lovely from all this attention! Other skin stuff I use is Clarins Extra-firming neck cream ( my only expensive product, it is about $90 a jar ) and Palmer's Cocoa Butter for stretch marks on my tummy. I walk and swim every day but I don't do much punitive exercise, in fact I try to relax and enjoy the whole experience. And I treat myself to fruit daily- sometimes just banana if it's the end of the month, but yesterday blueberries and strawberries, and often cut pineapple.

Right now I am enjoying reading novels again and watching movies and sometimes 'the comedy channel'. I've given myself a little book budget and buy from amazon. And I get aface mask or put some bath salts in a bowl and soak my feet. And though I'm back at the $5 haircutters ( she actually does a reasonable job if you keep an eye on her! ) and Clairol colour, i do take care of my hair.

When i found my budget running low last month with all the extra expenses I went through all my cupboards and my closets and pulled forward soem products I didn't know I had, purple nail polish was one, a lovely silk shirt which I can wear over a t-shirt but doesn't quite fasten was another, I got it in the sales for $5.

Actually i rarely pay much over $5 for my clothes, I have routes I go to my jobs and allow myself fifteen minutes in stores where they have quality clothes and good sales like Stein Mart and Ross Dress for Less.

All this probably sounds funny, but it's pretty new to me, I never cared or bothered much about any of this for years, now i realise it's all part of that great mystery called 'Loving Yourself'.

My Saturday Night Date nights with myself have helped keep it in focus and give me something to look forward to.

Oh and the first day of my period ( sorry Mud ) I allow myself whatever i want to eat- ice cream, potato chips, anything I like. One day a month of doign that won't hurt.

Love
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ps to think she did that on purpose, because she felt threatened by my youth. What mother is THAT jealous?
My mother was like this too, she must have hated having three daughters! G_d rest her soul.....

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Re: Body and Body Image
« Reply #20 on: August 08, 2007, 03:50:04 PM »
On this thread, I feel like I am at a pajama party.                                                                                    WRITE, the "sorry Mud" thing was cute.                                                                                                          Beth, I want to ask you a question. Did you always hate your body even when you were young? Did you ever feel like you "looked good?" If so, did it make your insides feel good or only outside?
      WRITE,You don't feel empty anymore? That is wonderful. I have a little more sense of self ,lately.Ever since, I" saw "my mother for how she truly was.,I feel a"little " more whole.I see that I could NOT have helped her no MATTER what I did
  For me, any form of nurturing is hard for me to give myself. I feel-- way down deep that I should NOT be nurturing myself. It can be eating,seeing beauty,music, keeping my house nice, keeping my pocketbook nice  etc
  This is the thing,right now, that I most want to change.
 I CAN buy things like clothes,make-up etc b/c that was very important in my family. I can get things that "enhance" my outsides. Where I  feel that I "cannot" nurture myself is with quiet things like appreciating beauty(the outdoors, music, good food,)
  I am going to do a thread on it. I feel very stuck here and don't really understand how I got so bad.
  In my heart, I don't know how I got to this point. In my head, I can see how I might have gotten this way. However,it is the same old thing again where knowing in the head does not help too much.
   I realize that I might have been the 'golden child" in SOME ways.My M was very concerned about how I looked. Our only "special time" together was going shopping. I had nice clothes, make up etc.
My mother took pride in me ,in this area.I would feel 'loved" in this area if I ever felt loved at all.
Anyway, I really, really want to feel that it is O.K. (DOWN DEEP) to nurture myself. It is a really big block.
  I know all the "pat" answers,but I need to unblock the root,I think.                 Love  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Body and Body Image
« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2007, 04:59:10 PM »
Write,

The clothes-making thing is really important to me, so, now that you've shown the teensiest bit of interest...

I make EVERYTHING, bras & knickers included, except for coats, because I can't get the thick fabrics under the presser foot :D.

Apparently, 80% of women wear the wrong size bra. I used to wear 32C until I made my first one myself...then I discovered I'm 33F. No wonder they were always uncomfortable before.

I understand my body shape so much better, now, so I'm getting used to the fact that I've got a long torso, short legs, forward-thrusting shoulders, a waist that is an inch lower than most patterns, and a thin neck!

If you want to try making clothes, a brilliant site is www.patternreview.com  . It has a vibrant forum, loads of reviews of machines, patterns, books, farbric shops (online & offline) worldwide. Fantastic site. For fabrics, www.emmaonesock.com is good but a bit pricey. www.fabric.com is cheaper.  www.taunton.com publishes 'Threads' magazine, which is the only dressmaking magazine worth subscribing to (also has a good forum).

Hardly anything at all in the UK worth noting  :( . Here, they've only got fancy dress or bridal fabrics, now. There's one good shop in Wimbledon, and one in Macclesfield, and that's it, IMO.



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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2007, 06:38:28 PM »
I'm not sure how much I weigh in pounds or stone...I seem to shift between 60 kgs and 80 kgs, depending on whats going on in my life. I think what I'm enjoying about aging, is I've stopped panicing so much when I hit 80 kgs (I think its something like 177 pounds) . In my twenties I would fall apart, hide, and eventually do something deparate to lose the weight like smoke, and develop eating disorders..  These days, I know that eventually I'll drop my weight again, and its not a crime to put on a few kgs. My friends and partner will still love me, and it just means that noone except the arab men will stare at me on the streets. The only things i really hate about it is having to buy clothes that are in a larger size. Janet, I keep meanign t osew my own clothes; thank you for inspiring me!

I really love swimming, and for a while i lived close to a rock climbing spot and I adored climbing. If i can find a great sport that I love, I usually whittle down to  a muscular 65 kgs. Right now theres nothing close, so I'm thinking of buying some home gym equipment and little tV to watch so I don't get bored. I think i will watch all those `girly' movies that make my partner gag, lol. I might even be bad and sneak  a peak at desparate housewives, lol (is it just me, or do other people think that show is hilarious?)





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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2007, 06:40:34 PM »
On this thread, I feel like I am at a pajama party.

 :D

This was on the BBC today http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/6935768.stm

Goodness. Church Guy told me his wife had an eating disorder and it's really common amongst performers in the US because at college there's as much pressure on how you look as on what you sound like. He said he gave up his professional career because he couldn't keep up the image thing. I am so glad I grew up in the crazy UK where it's okay to look and think and speak what you like.

I suspect my friend who is clearly working up a drinking problem also has an eating disorder and the only thing which gives him away is his breath and teeth, which are not those of an image-conscious healthy person. I haven't had the courage to ask him about that yet though, he was defensive enough about the drinking.

People really are killing themselves to try to be something they are not....

I might have been the 'golden child" in SOME ways.My M was very concerned about how I looked. Our only "special time" together was going shopping. I had nice clothes, make up etc.

I think this is a common NPD theme, obsession with another's image.

Self-nurture is more than image though, it is a commitment to feeling fundamental wellbeing.

Do you have a therapist Ami? I found therapy the most useful thing ever.

I make EVERYTHING, bras & knickers included, except for coats, because I can't get the thick fabrics under the presser foot

wow Janet, I'd LOVE to be able to do that.

How long did it take you to learn?

Apparently, 80% of women wear the wrong size bra.

I can believe that, also that so many are made wrong, I try them on and one size is okay, another model same label of size is way off.

I'll check out your sites and maybe get some fabric and a machine.

Macclesfield sounds an unlikely fabric emporium. I used to live in Staffordshire.

When I was a kid there were tons of fabric stores, I loved them, the smell....it's one of the good things about living in these home-baked ( sometimes I say half-baked ) Southern states though that there are lots of craft and fabric stores still.

Oh I'd love to design and make my own clothes...I know what suits me and have so many ideas.

 :| Wonder if I can do it???

I might even be bad and sneak  a peak at desparate housewives, lol (is it just me, or do other people think that show is hilarious?)

I haven't seen it but I have developed a love for girly comedies. I saw a great movie recently I picked up cheap whilst son was messing around in Gamestop, it's called School of Seduction and is very funny and a bit inspiring too.

Exercise should be fun!!!

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Re: Body and Body Image
« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2007, 06:54:34 PM »
This thread is funny.
Bella,Do you want to have an addiction that will not put weight on--- watch The Sopranos' on DVD.
. Write me and tell me if you do
About Bras (Sorry Mud)- Maria dies laughing b/c all I want is a huge bra that I don't "feel". It doesn't fit at all,but ,I don't care.
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2007, 07:23:40 PM »
haha..yes this is just like a pajama party, Ami! I miss those days of sleeping over with a  bunch of girls!

Ami thanks for reminding me about the sopranos. I never did watch that series (I do not have our TV connected) but it looks like something I'd love. When my partner and I watch DVD's together, we usually settle on something we'll both enjoy (sci-fi, the X-files, drama and action films) . But that pretty much rules out romantic comedies, `emotional' films , `intellectual' type of documentaries, and films that are a curiosity to me just `because'. I think having a home gym will be a great opportunity to discover some more interests without feeling bad.






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« Reply #26 on: August 08, 2007, 09:17:51 PM »
Bella,

Same for me when I share watching movies BUT to my SHOCK :shock: :shock: :shock:  I did make my H watch the Calender Girls which he really really liked the movie  :shock: :shock: :shock: 

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« Reply #27 on: August 08, 2007, 09:24:41 PM »
Hahaha Deb! That is so cute:) Its so funny discovering what our men enjoy, lol.

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2007, 09:48:19 PM »
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On this thread, I feel like I am at a pajama party.

Always figured I wasn't missing much. :P :P
Just kidding.

 Don't know if this is a guy thing but I don't give too much of a hoot about body image.
I'm at the age where a small but detectable bulge started around the old breadbasket. My fourteen (at the time) year old made some unkind comment so I sucked it in and rapping it with my knuckles announced it to be a six-pack. Admiring it, after I let it back out, I declared it to be better than any old run of the mill six-pack; I had a keg. Ever since then she has been riding me about my keg and when I'm going to drain it. :lol: Doesn't bother me, I find it pretty funny actually. Maybe if it was bigger I would. I'm 6' 3" and weigh 210-215 lbs so obviously its not too big, but it definitely wants to advance as my years do.
 It's my wife's fault anyway. As she recovered from the chemo she went on a cooking binge and she is a master in the kitchen. I can't disappoint her now can I?

mud

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2007, 10:01:49 PM »
It seems a man has wandered into the sleepover.  Is he here to deliver pizzas?   :lol:

mudpuppy, I admire your intestinal fortitude manfully chowing down on all that delicious food.  Every day getting up and saying "another day filled with incredibly yummy things to eat" - how do you live?

Well, as for my body image - I had a baby this year.  Say no more.
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