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« Reply #2265 on: March 25, 2011, 12:07:05 PM »
Anyone recognize these signals?

http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20110325

Yes, but from a very long time ago, thank goodness.

As for customer service Bones, it's never been great here. But i think general stress levels and a me-first culture aren't helping. You probably need to live in China and have money to get good service now.

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« Reply #2266 on: March 25, 2011, 03:41:25 PM »
Anyone recognize these signals?

http://www.uexpress.com/dearabby/?uc_full_date=20110325

Yes, but from a very long time ago, thank goodness.

As for customer service Bones, it's never been great here. But i think general stress levels and a me-first culture aren't helping. You probably need to live in China and have money to get good service now.

I've noticed that the N's in my life have done the types of abuse that was discussed in today's advice column.

Regarding customer service...I guess when my generation was providing customer service, we were the last of a rare breed.  The kids today appear to be clueless!   :P
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« Reply #2267 on: March 26, 2011, 06:31:32 AM »
Fighting PTSD again.   :P
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« Reply #2268 on: March 26, 2011, 09:02:29 AM »
PTSD from:

the abuser list?
the rude store manager?
All or none of the above?


There are a lot of things going on with employees these days that contribute to the rudeness you experienced. Low pay, long hours, no control over their job, no clear path "up", no recognition of failure/job well done (they simply don't know the difference because the educational system no longer teaches this), and probably the worst one: they aren't treated like human beings by many customers.

I make a point of at least smiling at these people and pleasantly chatting when we can.
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« Reply #2269 on: March 26, 2011, 12:05:13 PM »
PTSD from:

the abuser list?
the rude store manager?
All or none of the above?


There are a lot of things going on with employees these days that contribute to the rudeness you experienced. Low pay, long hours, no control over their job, no clear path "up", no recognition of failure/job well done (they simply don't know the difference because the educational system no longer teaches this), and probably the worst one: they aren't treated like human beings by many customers.

I make a point of at least smiling at these people and pleasantly chatting when we can.

Thanks, P.R.

Actually, the PTSD is being triggered by, of all things, an art project.  I'm in the process of creating a sculptural piece using crochet and other materials.  As I'm working on it, I keep getting flashbacks to NWomb-Donor/Female NDNA-Donor screaming curses at me and physically destroying/trashing any artistic efforts I've done while proclaiming them as nothing more than piles of sh*t that deserve to be destroyed!  NOT fun!   :P

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« Reply #2270 on: March 27, 2011, 08:29:11 AM »
The following was found in today's "Dear Abby".  OMG, does it sound familiar!  What do you think?  Personally, I don't think "Abby" understands that we have OFTEN explained the OBVIOUS to these N's but the N's will NEVER hear us!


"DEAR ABBY: If no one answers the phone when my mother calls, she shouts on the answering machine for my children (ages 18 and 12) to "pick up!" Then she'll try my cell phone once or twice in quick succession before calling back on the house phone and leaving a cranky message. It's never an emergency; she just wants to chat.

I understand that Mom is frustrated, but sometimes we are resting, eating dinner or are otherwise indisposed. And yes, there are times when we're not in the mood to talk. She lectures me constantly about how my husband and I are teaching our children to be disrespectful by ignoring her calls. (Their teachers and other adults regularly comment about how polite they are.)

I see nothing wrong with letting a call go to voicemail if I can't or don't want to talk at that moment, and I always return Mom's call. I also encourage my kids to call her, but she doesn't make it easy when she begins a conversation with, "Didn't anyone ever tell you it's rude not to answer the phone?" Do I owe her an apology, or does she need to be more patient? -- "PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE ..."

DEAR PLEASE LEAVE A MESSAGE ...: Your mother apparently feels that her needs and wishes automatically take precedence over whatever else may be happening in your lives. You do not owe her any apologies, and yes, she does need to be more patient. But she won't get that message until you are able to communicate it clearly and directly to her. You are no longer a child, and you should not be expected to drop everything anytime your mother wants to "chat."
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« Reply #2271 on: March 27, 2011, 11:25:26 AM »
Gosh Bones... does your crochet PTSD ring a huge GONG in my head! Me too.

Only, mine is sewing. My mom used to rip things right off the sewing machine telling me I "wasn't doing it right" and then start lobbing anger & resentment bombs at me because SHE had to do it.

I guess it never occurred to her that someone else might've shown me another way to sew... and that this "new" way might be better than hers... nor that she was hardly Ralph Lauren, Valentino, or an excellent seamstress herself. At some point, maybe in Home Ec... I did get some positive reinforcement and reassurance that "my way" of sewing was just fine... and I went on to make myself a wedding dress for myself - a 30s glam wedding dress for a D - tailored suits - and 7 bridesmaids dresses for hubs' Ds wedding...

Hubs' mom was a widow and supported her family as a professional seamstress. Beautiful suits and pageant dresses... and she didn't think there was a thing wrong with my sewing ability. I had to alter and fit the bridesmaids' dresses (a new experience then!) and picked her brain on the best ways... and got nothing but compliments from her about how nice the girls looked in the wedding.

So my Husqvarna is gathering dust right now... but I have a banquette that needs 5 custom cushions. I've found a source for the foam I need (there's no local sewing shop here) and I can order the Sunbrella fabric online. That's my next project.


I think I let the "nasty jealous, cut you down to size" voice of my bioNic mom grow even worse in my feelings than it really was in reality.  You know how Abby will sometimes say: "Consider the source"?  Yeah. When I was able to get past those artificially created "issues" and insecurities and cut my own self-doubt down to it's real size... it really wasn't so hard and I do pretty well when left to my own devices.

If I say so, myself!  ;)
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« Reply #2272 on: March 27, 2011, 12:32:56 PM »
Gosh Bones... does your crochet PTSD ring a huge GONG in my head! Me too.

Only, mine is sewing. My mom used to rip things right off the sewing machine telling me I "wasn't doing it right" and then start lobbing anger & resentment bombs at me because SHE had to do it.

I guess it never occurred to her that someone else might've shown me another way to sew... and that this "new" way might be better than hers... nor that she was hardly Ralph Lauren, Valentino, or an excellent seamstress herself. At some point, maybe in Home Ec... I did get some positive reinforcement and reassurance that "my way" of sewing was just fine... and I went on to make myself a wedding dress for myself - a 30s glam wedding dress for a D - tailored suits - and 7 bridesmaids dresses for hubs' Ds wedding...

Hubs' mom was a widow and supported her family as a professional seamstress. Beautiful suits and pageant dresses... and she didn't think there was a thing wrong with my sewing ability. I had to alter and fit the bridesmaids' dresses (a new experience then!) and picked her brain on the best ways... and got nothing but compliments from her about how nice the girls looked in the wedding.

So my Husqvarna is gathering dust right now... but I have a banquette that needs 5 custom cushions. I've found a source for the foam I need (there's no local sewing shop here) and I can order the Sunbrella fabric online. That's my next project.


I think I let the "nasty jealous, cut you down to size" voice of my bioNic mom grow even worse in my feelings than it really was in reality.  You know how Abby will sometimes say: "Consider the source"?  Yeah. When I was able to get past those artificially created "issues" and insecurities and cut my own self-doubt down to it's real size... it really wasn't so hard and I do pretty well when left to my own devices.

If I say so, myself!  ;)


Thanks, P.R.

I'm glad I'm not alone with struggling with PTSD.  With the NQueen@#$%, it wasn't just the ugly words alone...she was also a rage-aholic who would physically beat on you with whatever she would get her hands on.  If she did that today, she would go to jail.  Back then....the authorities looked the other way because children were treated as nothing more than possessions.  Trying to work on Home Ec assignments at home made it worse because the teachers would insist on practicing one method and the NQueen@#$% would fly into a violent rage because SHE DECREED IT WAS WRONG!!!!  NOT FUN being caught between two adults who were diametrically opposed and each insisting SHE WAS RIGHT AND THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS RIGHT!   :P

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« Reply #2273 on: March 27, 2011, 01:33:42 PM »
Exactly Bones, Exactly...

maybe it's self-soothing delusions... but nowadays, when I set out on projects like this and that old crap comes back up (like some foul thing I was forced to eat against my will)... I just think about how nice it is that I only have to please myself; do a "good enough" job for myself; and even indulge in my own "talking back" monologue of just how and why I do things the way I do them and "tell the nasty voice" that hey - she doesn't HAVE to like it... and I DON'T CARE IF SHE DOES OR DOESN'T.

Then, I let myself indulge in a rebellious teenaged smirk to myself... because somehow she can't tell me what or how to do anymore and I really have stopped wishing/hoping that I get her approval... or even attention. I still get nervous about her ulterior motives - and the whiplash "other shoe" syndrome - if she starts paying too much attention to me. Guarded. Self-protective.

That much is still necessary.
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« Reply #2274 on: March 27, 2011, 07:21:59 PM »
Exactly Bones, Exactly...

maybe it's self-soothing delusions... but nowadays, when I set out on projects like this and that old crap comes back up (like some foul thing I was forced to eat against my will)... I just think about how nice it is that I only have to please myself; do a "good enough" job for myself; and even indulge in my own "talking back" monologue of just how and why I do things the way I do them and "tell the nasty voice" that hey - she doesn't HAVE to like it... and I DON'T CARE IF SHE DOES OR DOESN'T.

Then, I let myself indulge in a rebellious teenaged smirk to myself... because somehow she can't tell me what or how to do anymore and I really have stopped wishing/hoping that I get her approval... or even attention. I still get nervous about her ulterior motives - and the whiplash "other shoe" syndrome - if she starts paying too much attention to me. Guarded. Self-protective.

That much is still necessary.

Yeah!  Around predators like that, we have to always keep our guard up!

I'm still working on finding a healthy way to self-soothe but I haven't found it yet.

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« Reply #2275 on: March 28, 2011, 06:48:35 AM »
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« Reply #2276 on: March 28, 2011, 08:22:16 AM »
I dunno how healthy it is (I'm still basically withdrawn into my own cocoon space)... but a solo video game usually does the trick for me. And I have mini-rituals for all different parts of my day, too. They're not absolutely required anymore - just something I prefer.

And that's a pretty cool thing, when I think about it - not absolutely "needing" to self-soothe all the time. I experimented to see which ones "felt right" to keep... and which I could safely make "optional". When "nothing bad happened" by deliberately changing up the ritual (and if it wasn't all that good for me in the first place)... I started looking for new ways to fill that time. Still have a lot of goals and "want tos" in this area.

I can turn something as simple as making and drinking a cup of tea into effective "self-soothing". A shower. But one thing I have noticed... is that there has to be a physical element in the activity: it has to FEEL GOOD somehow. To my body... and then the rest of me follows...
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« Reply #2277 on: March 28, 2011, 08:46:52 AM »
I dunno how healthy it is (I'm still basically withdrawn into my own cocoon space)... but a solo video game usually does the trick for me. And I have mini-rituals for all different parts of my day, too. They're not absolutely required anymore - just something I prefer.

And that's a pretty cool thing, when I think about it - not absolutely "needing" to self-soothe all the time. I experimented to see which ones "felt right" to keep... and which I could safely make "optional". When "nothing bad happened" by deliberately changing up the ritual (and if it wasn't all that good for me in the first place)... I started looking for new ways to fill that time. Still have a lot of goals and "want tos" in this area.

I can turn something as simple as making and drinking a cup of tea into effective "self-soothing". A shower. But one thing I have noticed... is that there has to be a physical element in the activity: it has to FEEL GOOD somehow. To my body... and then the rest of me follows...

That makes sense.  I have to do more brain-storming on this.

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« Reply #2278 on: March 28, 2011, 03:48:41 PM »
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went on to make myself a wedding dress for myself - a 30s glam wedding dress for a D - tailored suits - and 7 bridesmaids dresses for hubs' Ds wedding...

Hawwwly jabayyyyyyysus, PR! I am totally dazzled.
(I have saved the old Singer that was my grandmother's, with fantasies of perhaps making a not-too-crooked hem to create some plain flat curtains one day. I bow my knee to you... I love the machine, it's an old black one you lift up out of its wooden table...wonder if it can be reconditioned when I'm ready? It goes: forward, back, fast and slow. Thassit.)

Bones,
I thought I wrote you the other day but don't see it so wanted to thank you again for sharing that link to the stunning, gorgeous, extraordinary crocheted reef project-- the parabolic reef.

Is that what you're working on? I love thinking of you doing this!

Sure sounds soothing to me...

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« Reply #2279 on: March 28, 2011, 03:58:47 PM »
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went on to make myself a wedding dress for myself - a 30s glam wedding dress for a D - tailored suits - and 7 bridesmaids dresses for hubs' Ds wedding...

Hawwwly jabayyyyyyysus, PR! I am totally dazzled.
(I have saved the old Singer that was my grandmother's, with fantasies of perhaps making a not-too-crooked hem to create some plain flat curtains one day. I bow my knee to you... I love the machine, it's an old black one you lift up out of its wooden table...wonder if it can be reconditioned when I'm ready? It goes: forward, back, fast and slow. Thassit.)

Bones,
I thought I wrote you the other day but don't see it so wanted to thank you again for sharing that link to the stunning, gorgeous, extraordinary crocheted reef project-- the parabolic reef.

Is that what you're working on? I love thinking of you doing this!

Sure sounds soothing to me...

hugs,
Hops

You're welcome, ((((((((((Hops)))))))))))))))))!!!

I'm making more hyperbolic crochet and trying to make a small sculpture with them.  Working on an art piece alone is W-A-A-Y outside of my comfort zone.  It was easier when I was collaborating with others on the Smithsonian piece.

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