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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2295 on: April 02, 2011, 05:49:21 AM »
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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2296 on: April 02, 2011, 07:59:27 AM »
Hi Bones,

Why do you call him Mr. Idiot? 

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2297 on: April 02, 2011, 08:13:57 AM »
Hi Bones,

Why do you call him Mr. Idiot? 

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Because he continues to do Idiotic Stupid Sh*t and thinks he so cute when he does it!  He's pushing 60 for God's Sake!

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2298 on: April 02, 2011, 11:05:20 AM »
Bones, is he uncaring to you because he didn't have any relationship with his mother and it seems, didn't want one?

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« Reply #2299 on: April 02, 2011, 11:30:10 AM »
Bones, is he uncaring to you because he didn't have any relationship with his mother and it seems, didn't want one?

He seems to treat ALL women this way!  What I don't understand is why tell me he wanted to find her, then neglects her?  I just don't get it!

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2300 on: April 03, 2011, 04:42:11 AM »
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« Reply #2301 on: April 04, 2011, 06:17:45 AM »
It feels like I'm grieving her loss by myself!
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« Reply #2302 on: April 04, 2011, 12:48:58 PM »
I understand that, Bones.

If his mother was a decent person (at ALL -- which most old mothers would be, compared to the one you got) ... it must break your heart to NOT be able to experience some of the sweetness that is built in to connecting to, and then letting go of, an old woman at the close of her life.

Remember--he is not you. He has had a completely different experience in his head about his mother. On the outside, it does look cold and detached, that he seems so unaffected.

It's possible though, that he's just confused. Doesn't know what to feel and/or is having trouble accessing the feelings he does have (in there somewhere).

Do you think you're grieving the IDEA of a mother?
I can so imagine why this is causing a lot of pain for you...

It's not really her, or really him, though, is it?

His inner soup...you've been working a long time on yours, so it just must not make emotional sense to you, to see him react (or not react) this way.

But hopefully it really doesn't mean he's a "bad" person. Maybe if he sees that your emotion is loud and clear and kind of very visible about his mother's loss, he'll have a little more difficulty finding his own?

love to you, from your fellow orphan (and we're okay)--

Hops

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2303 on: April 04, 2011, 03:34:52 PM »
I understand that, Bones.

If his mother was a decent person (at ALL -- which most old mothers would be, compared to the one you got) ... it must break your heart to NOT be able to experience some of the sweetness that is built in to connecting to, and then letting go of, an old woman at the close of her life.

Remember--he is not you. He has had a completely different experience in his head about his mother. On the outside, it does look cold and detached, that he seems so unaffected.

It's possible though, that he's just confused. Doesn't know what to feel and/or is having trouble accessing the feelings he does have (in there somewhere).

Do you think you're grieving the IDEA of a mother?
I can so imagine why this is causing a lot of pain for you...

It's not really her, or really him, though, is it?

His inner soup...you've been working a long time on yours, so it just must not make emotional sense to you, to see him react (or not react) this way.

But hopefully it really doesn't mean he's a "bad" person. Maybe if he sees that your emotion is loud and clear and kind of very visible about his mother's loss, he'll have a little more difficulty finding his own?

love to you, from your fellow orphan (and we're okay)--

Hops



Thanks, ((((((((Hops!))))))))))))))

He finally said a little more, yesterday evening, about his father when I disclosed that I felt like punching him out for the way he treated both his son and the mother of his son.  I commented that I just don't understand WHY his father did what he did.  That's when he admitted that his father had NEVER been stable.  One of his childhood memories is of watching one of his stepmothers lace his father's lemonade with Lithium because, otherwise, he would refuse to take his meds and then become SUPER-HYPER!  (That tells me:  Bipolar Disorder!)  It sounds like he grew up in a chaotic environment where he never knew, from one minute to the next, what his father was going to do next!  He also treated his little son like a yo-yo...dumping him on one relative when being a father was inconvenient, yanking him back when he felt "paternal", then dumping him again on another relative when he decided to start chasing skirt again!  And the whole time, lying to this child regarding his mother.  That's no way to have a childhood!!

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2304 on: April 04, 2011, 08:12:23 PM »
Compassionate feelings, Bones...
(except for the "telling him I wanted to punch him out" part").  :shock:

I'm glad he talked to you.

His inner child got some caring, because you listened.

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2305 on: April 05, 2011, 06:18:09 AM »
Compassionate feelings, Bones...
(except for the "telling him I wanted to punch him out" part").  :shock:

I'm glad he talked to you.

His inner child got some caring, because you listened.

xo
Hops

Thanks, Hops!

BTW, let me clarify...

I wanted to punch out the NFather for the ABYSMAL way he treated his son and his baby's mother!  That NFather was just SO WRONG!!!!

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« Reply #2306 on: April 05, 2011, 08:50:01 AM »
Now I get it, Bones....

He, your bf, must have really felt cared for when he saw how much you wished he'd had different parenting.

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« Reply #2307 on: April 05, 2011, 09:02:58 AM »
Now I get it, Bones....

He, your bf, must have really felt cared for when he saw how much you wished he'd had different parenting.

xo
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I can only hope so.

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Re: Is It Always N Behavior to Violate Others' Boundaries?
« Reply #2308 on: April 06, 2011, 06:34:07 AM »
At this point, it's hard to know what else to do.  I don't want his mother to become a "non-topic" of "out of sight, out of mind" when I feel she deserves better than that.

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« Reply #2309 on: April 06, 2011, 07:00:47 AM »
Maybe just saying gentle things like, "I'd like to hear more about it" -- in a soft way, and then giving him space to open up a little or a lot or later...

or
"I am sad that you had such a hard time"

"I think you deserved a kind father"

"I am glad you had that visit with your mother" (instead of focusing on what he didn't do)

"I would like to hear more about your childhood, can you tell me another memory?"

(All of those start with your own feelings.)

And then just gentleness, as much as you feel.

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