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Acknowledging that N's were victims too: I'm learning to forgive
« on: November 15, 2007, 01:34:07 PM »
As I was reading a magazine that I get from The Dystonia Research Foundation, my mind went back to my suffering friend, and I realized that, though there was also Borderline tendencies involved, seeing this person suffer, was what helped me be there for her.

God has been showing me a LOT about my views toward people, even people with personality disorders.

First of all, I realize that everyone was once somebody's baby and child.  Even disordered adults came into this world as babies.  In fact, Narcissism and other personality disorders, exhibit themselves, through childish defense mechanisms that the dysfunctional children never outgrew.

Secondly, those dysfunctional people were in some way victimized, no matter what anyone wants to argue about it.  Are they responsible for their actions as adults? YES!  I am not negating that fact at all.  I am merely saying that I realize now that the victimizers of me were first victims themselves.  Either they were abused and traumatized, neglected and made voiceless or glamorized and set on an unfair, impossible pedestal in their young lives.  Their defenses were all they knew how to use to cope and to "become."

In the case of a former spiritual leader, she was raised by an absentee parent and an alchoholic one for a while.  Later, the parents became ministers and she learned to stifle her needs and feelings in favor of the church people's issues.  This person grew to be someone who believed it was her job to order people's lives and to punish them when they didn't follow suit.  She put so much pressure on herself to caretake (codependency), that she ruined her own health and probably developed some distorted thinking patterns in the process.  That is NO WAY for a child to grow up in a family...having to have all the answers and believing that life would crumble if they didn't.  Having to be everyone's conscience and learning to despise people who tried to think on their own without her guidance.  She even once told me that the way I could truly have compassion for people, was to see them as the victim!  I never realized how much she had been "telling on herself" when that was said to me.  She very much felt like a victim, felt misunderstood and couldn't figure out WHY...most people cannot SEE THEMSELVES unless they are videotaped.  Even then, some do not want to admit to the fact of what they see, so they put on "airs," use defense mechanisms of denial and projection in order to not have to see how cruel they really are on the outside/inside.

A personal struggle:

For years I threw in my husband's face, that his father was a child molester, molested both of his little girls (husband's sisters) and that he was a despicable human being all the way around, not worthy of any sort of forgiveness.  Now, some people teach that, until someone asks to be forgiven, we are not to forgive them.  I disagree with this.  Forgiveness is not about the other person...it's about ME. 

Recently, my husband and I were talking about his dad again.  Suddenly I had what I consider to be a REVELATION!  For years I had heard about how my h's dad had broken his back when my h was a child.  It was shortly after this, that the molesting and abuse went on.  Amazingly, as into Psychobabble as I am, I never connected the situations together...BACK BROKE-----SPINAL CORD INJURY-----NEURO ISSUES-----BEHAVIORAL DYSFUNCTION!

I have finally come to a place that I have not only forgiven my father-in-law for what he did to his own family, but I also now forgive my husband for doing what he learned from that man. 

Another point I consider now is that his father grew up with NO PARENTS. He was raised as an orphan and he learned to fight his way through life.  My h's father didn't even have a fighting CHANCE to be a real decent person, nor did anyone ever come to his side and mentor him.  What sort of behaviors does society EXPECT in this type of upbringing?
Consider HITLER'S past.  Would we EVER excuse him for what he did?  HE** no!  There are very few more unspeakable horrors in this life than what that man orchestrated! (other than things in other countries today)...I do not EXCUSE, but I DO UNDERSTAND.

Now that I can understand that there was a REASON for how my father-in-law turned out, I'm able to let it go.

Maybe this might be freeing for someone on this group.  If not, throw it out and know that I had the best intents in sharing it.

Blessya'll

~Laura

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Re: Acknowledging that N's were victims too: I'm learning to forgive
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2007, 01:57:03 PM »
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Forgiveness is not about the other person...it's about ME

Heartfelt yes, RM

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Re: Acknowledging that N's were victims too: I'm learning to forgive
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2007, 03:24:23 PM »
Dear Laura,
  I have "entered" a new stage,as you seem to have. S/thing has shifted in me that I SEE that my M is "sick" Who would be an N if they had a choice?(This is just my opinion and I do not care to get in a discussion of it)
   However, my M wants to destroy me if I am not her clone. I feel sorry for her BUT not sorry enough to let her destroy the little  freedom( and sense of self) I have gotten from the board and God.
  My M is a huge "fire". She  will burn you if you get near it. However, from afar,I can pray for her and feel badly that she hated herself so much( and me ,too) that she destroyed me and everyone else in her sphere.
  I understand what you are saying,Laura. I think that we will be set free when we can see this truth. Thanks so very,very much for sharing it.It is very freeing for me.               Love   Ami
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Re: Acknowledging that N's were victims too: I'm learning to forgive
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2007, 03:41:22 PM »
Hey Ami

I read what you said about your Nmom being a fire and how you get burned if you get near her.

My Ndaughter is that way.  The problem is, she flips from being a flame to being a flower.  She can be so sweet for a while and then suddenly BAM_^#(_@Q&@_&%#+@%&*+#@&%+#@&

I guess I have been feeling guilty when I get angry about it too...my other daughter addressed that issue with me.  Two people have told me DO NOTHING FOR HER THAT SHE ASKS...DO NOT BEND.......DO NOT FOLD.......DO NOT CRUMBLE!  SHOW HER THAT YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BE MANIPULATED OR CONTROLLED BY HER!  DO NOT LET HER WIN AND SHOW HER NO KINDNESS!

Not sure I have that measure of cruelty in me but I tried things the other way so now I'm going to try it that way.

~Laura