Author Topic: Setting the record straight about Ami  (Read 41687 times)

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #90 on: December 11, 2007, 10:16:04 PM »
Janet,

Were those posts that were shared by "confucious" actual conversations you had with Ami?  Do you admit to typing those as they were shown here to us?  If so, it seems to me that you stated your feelings very well and you set a clear boundary to only talk in group vs private, so that you did not feel you were violating your own standards in discussing the subject you weren't comfortable with.  No problem that I can see.

Ami, are these the very conversations that you had with Janet?  Again, if so, what was your response to her request to keep things only on the board and not in private?  If you respected her choice in that, which I'm thinking you did, I see no reason for any further problems about it.

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #91 on: December 11, 2007, 10:18:23 PM »
Laura
  What I AM saying was Janet set a boundary and I ADHERED to it. That was the end until I saw "this crazy thread"        Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #92 on: December 11, 2007, 10:23:05 PM »
Dear Laura,

The situation should never occured in the first instance as Janet had posted her life story in stating the abuse she received from her mother in being made to keep secrets and lies.

Knowing that from the board ...

>  Why would anyone send PM's bringing someone into ..... secrets and lies

>  And ignore the fact that the person did not want to become party to it


Hence, the reason why Janet used her voice, which many others have supported her in doing so, as is her right to do so.


Reading through the entire thread from the beginning gives much clarity and shows up blatant lies.


Leah

PS>  Have you read through the thread from the beginning?

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #93 on: December 11, 2007, 10:31:55 PM »
Leah
  You REALLY have NO Idea what you are talking about. . You have suffered horribly in life.I don't want to add to it.
  I never violated Janet.I did nothing wrong. I am sorry if you can't believe it. I hope that God gives you peace--tonight and always .I am sorry if you don't like me and see me as an enemy .
 I am sorry you are hurting Leah.
  God KNOWS I did nothing wrong.. Peace be with you          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #94 on: December 11, 2007, 10:42:01 PM »
The God who loves me EVEN thoughI had an online affair. The God who loves Janet even though she humiliated me (IMO) out of her own  pain and the God who loves you---Leah.  THAT God. 
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #95 on: December 11, 2007, 10:56:09 PM »
From Janets first post:

I decided to set a boundary, and told her that I no longer wanted to hear any details at all of the relattionship she is having. She agreed to respect my boundary....and then in the very next sentence, stomped all over it, by saying 'I respect what you are saying about ****. I just want to ask you WHY you think it is doomed--just your opinion' (and other questions, which I don't want to list here).

Then you misrepresented the PM in a public thread.

Now you are telling Leah what her feelings are.

All the while insisting that you have done nothing wrong....

This is what you say Ami :  What I AM saying was Janet set a boundary and I ADHERED to it.

You did not adhere to it.  Tell the truth Ami.


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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #96 on: December 12, 2007, 05:21:57 AM »

I'm not sure if anyone has considered this, but the kind information posted here today is what I'd regard as `extremely delicate', and it potentially life-threatening. I am thinking `Volatile Batterer husband + Delicate info about wife's affair posted publically= danger for Ami. Maybe I'm paranoid, but I think this information should only be posted voluntarily, if at all.

I'm really sorry that theres a conflict too.

X bella


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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #97 on: December 12, 2007, 06:04:54 AM »
Us here in England need to sleep when you people (mainly) in the US are awake, so it looks like I haven't been replying deliberately, perhaps, but I was sleeping  :)

Now that I'm back, I'll address the points that have cropped up overnight:

As several people keep on saying, the issue is NOT that Ami referred to me simply as 'a friend' instead of by name on her thread on the forum. The issue is that she  MIS-REPRESENTED what had caused the friendship to end, giving the impression she had been wronged.

Gabben/Lise, please give it a rest. It's getting very boring.

Leah, I'm sorry this is happening to you on this thread.

As for Ami's posting of  "I didn't do anything wrong.It is that simple. If people have issues with me or themselves,my conscience is clear.If s/one does not like me, that is their problem. I conduct myself in an honorable way.If s/one does not agree---so be it.I am here and I will stay here . That is my story and I am sticking to it.          Ami"....followed by Confucius' post giving quotes of what I actually said to Ami by PM just before she said she 'didn't care to be friends' - yes, Laura, that is exactly what I wrote to Ami by PM. Are you suggesting I made them up (surely you're not!)? The only 'editing' I have done is to leave out references to the person she doesn't want me to talk about. The response by Ami has also been posted here already, Laura - she said that my request to only post publicly to each other ' was not acceptable' and she 'didn't care to be friends'.

The problem is, Laura, that Ami *said* she respected my choice, but then she didn't *actually* respect it at all. She even told me that she *intended to* discuss the ending of our friendship on the forum, so that she could 'learn lessons from it'. Naively, perhaps, I assumed she would discuss it in an honest way. She didn't ask *if I minded* her discussing it - so, if she says now that I didn't object, then that is rather disingenuous of her, IMO.

Paps,Thanks for clearly setting out (for those who have lost sight of that) what this thread is supposed to be addressing.

Izzy,  :shock:

Bella, I know that it can be seen as 'extremely delicate', and of course I'm aware of that. But that kind of approach (to keep quiet about unpleasant things) can add to the idea that these things have to be kept secret so that the people who *chose to start behaving in this way* (and I emphasise the word CHOSE) can continue with that behaviour. Everyone has a choice, and it is not up to the ones who are the most oppressive to dictate the terms. If someone decides to confide in someone else, there is the risk that their 'secret' will come out, from the minute they divulge it. I tried to get Ami to stop telling me her secrets, in PMs first, but she carried on.

Ami knew what she was doing when she told me in PMs about the affair, she knew she would receive PMs back onto her computer, she knew that when she posted 'veiled' comments on this forum that there was a possibility that her husband might somehow get to see them - we are all aware that that is a risk here, whatever we post. The choice was hers. Me 'spilling the beans' was only in response to her behaviour.

I'm sorry that there is a conflict, too, because when these things flare up here, as they do from time to time with different people - then some people stop posting, some people leave, newbies feel unsafe...it keeps happening again and again, and it devalues what this forum can achieve.

And please, people, don't bring God into it. Everyone's God is different, and can be 'mis-used' to back up anyone's 'reasons' for their behaviour.


Janet




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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #98 on: December 12, 2007, 06:53:40 AM »




Hey! Where is Bill?



::whispering::




I


think




he's




in





Ami's.....









pm box :shock:





Ami.... remember to log out before you do the very first thing.... like tinkle or go for coffee. 


Bell brought up a good point.... your husband is violent and you've perched yourself precariously over a very dangerous ledge.

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #99 on: December 12, 2007, 08:08:51 AM »
Bella and Lighter,

By her own admission several times on other threads, Ami has talked about the 'cop boyfriend' that she used to have, so even if her husband came across this forum, I don't think I have 'revealed' anything that would surprise him about his wife.

Janet

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #100 on: December 12, 2007, 09:23:01 AM »
::sigh::

I have to ask, though you may not feel the need to clarify, Janet.

Are you saying that....

Bill is Ami's cop boyfriend from the past.... and that she invited him here at some point?

I'm truly confused and I don't like being this confused. 


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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #101 on: December 12, 2007, 09:26:14 AM »
Lighter,

No, I don't mean that Ami's current person is the cop boyfriend from the past. I believe they are two separate people. What I'm saying is that Ami admitted herself, several times, that she has had an affair before (in other threads) - so, if her husband were to come here and read  this forum, then it is not just *ME* who has 'betrayed' Ami (as Bella put it) - Ami has 'betrayed' herself.

Janet

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #102 on: December 12, 2007, 10:03:17 AM »
Leah,

As far as me reading the thread from the beginning, I'm not sure, cause at this point, everything is so confused as to who said/did what, it's hard to tell what the beginning even was.

What I do perceive at this point, is that both ladies feel they did rightly.  Ami said she respected Jan's boundaries.  Jan felt she did not and was right to end the friendship.

I know that I had very similar struggles to what Ami does, so I understand what it feels like when someone  ends a relationship.  I also know how it feels when someone doesn't respect a boundary (which, again, Ami says she DID respect). 

I'm guessing right now, that Ami has let this all just be, and Janet is fine with moving on too.  Is that where it's all at?  Since both women say they are telling the truth, yet their stories don't line up and I'm not an attorney, I think I'm forced to just leave this all alone and trust that it will work out in some way eventually.  I feel no need to intervene nor to fix anyone or anything.  It is what it is and as long as both parties are in their corners, maybe that's best.

~Laur

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #103 on: December 12, 2007, 10:04:34 AM »
Well.... I'm still confused but....

::feeling like Lise and I need a virtual shower::
(after being a part of what I still interpret as Bill/Ami foreplay on the Aunt thread.)



And using God to bolster herself and gain sympathy.....

::shaking head:::

All in all..... she's been teaching lessons

(perhaps not learning any)

about hypocrisy and gaslighting (insisting her version of reality be accepted over the perceptions of others.)  

I've seen her say off base completely untrue things about many people here, then turn everything on it's head and insist she be supplied with sympathy, which she's very skilled at eliciting.  

I can't condemn her, but I can state what I observe and..... this pattern is a very familiar one in my life.  

I'm guessing many people here are familiar as well.

It's like being supplied with a text book case so we can learn to use and trust our perceptions, I suppose.  

How odd, that she would choose this venue to perpetrate this behavior then add insult to injury by accusing us of doing what she's done. :?  ::mumbling about her accusing Calolyn of being an N::  The nerve.

I have no idea whether she understands anything beyond her own desire for drama and sympathy..... needful and blind.  

I do suspect that she can't see it, even when it's spelled out for her.... sigh.... pathological?  Not sure.

It hurts to watch the board deal with toxic scapegoating... we're already dealing with so much confusion in our lives.

It's been one hell of a learning experience, I will say that.




Thanks for the lessons, Ami... I hope you get something from it too.





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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #104 on: December 12, 2007, 10:15:48 AM »
Laura,

Please don't call me 'Jan'. My name is Janet.

I did not end the friendship - Ami did. Please go back and read the copies of my PMs to Ami if you are at all unsure. It was Ami who said 'I do not care to be friends'. I did not say that to her.

Ami says she DID respect my boundary, but , again, if you read the copies of the PMs, you would see that even when I told her very plainly that I did not want to talk about ****any more, she kept on wanting to discuss him. That is ignoring a clearly set boundary.

No, Ami has not 'just let this all be' - that is the whole point. She wrote on other threads, that SHE is the aggrieved party. That is certainly NOT 'letting it all be'.

I wish you would just 'leave it all alone', as you don't seem to comprehend what is happening here. I sincerely wish that you will not try to 'fix anything', as I definitely never asked you to.


Janet