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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #150 on: December 12, 2007, 01:45:38 PM »
Tell the truth Ami....

Quit battering her....

Tell the truth Ami....

Quit battering her....

Tell the truth Ami....

Quit battering her...


Emotional dramatic pointless interjection by Ami..... and she still hasn't left for the gym....


Tell the truth Ami.....

Quit battering her....

Tell the truth Ami.....

Ami's on her way to the gym.... again.... and she's even more dramatic and staunch in her refusal to question her motives and actions.....

Tell the truth Ami.....


OY... ::sigh::

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #151 on: December 12, 2007, 01:46:56 PM »
I am not battering her Lise.  I'm helping her.  I care about her.  I would like to see her heal.

Tell the truth Ami.  I know you can do this.  You can make the choice to heal.  I'm routing for you Ami.

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #152 on: December 12, 2007, 01:50:00 PM »
Yes, lighter, it looks like it's going that way.  I was really hoping for healing.

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Ok, I changed my mind about bowing out
« Reply #153 on: December 12, 2007, 01:51:55 PM »
Since the discussion is continuing and now I've been the topic of question as to how I "understood" or "interpreted" things, I have changed my mind about bowing out...as it is my prerogative to do, since A) I'm a woman and it's a woman's prerogative to change her mind (smiles) and B.)  Cause I wanna, that's why.

I am going to quote, review, and then come up with comments as to my perception of this whole situation once again.  We'll see which direction the sand flies from there.  (sand never hurt anyone. it's them ROCKS that hurt!)


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Laura said (meaning myself): Ok, it's clear to me now.  Janet raised a boundary, Ami respected it, as far as she could tell.

After this, there must have been some busy hospitals around the world, due to all the concussions from the heads being banged on keyboards over my not "getting" it.  I'll tell you, if I didn't "get" it, you wouldn't have been the first ones to say so.  My children seem to think so too.  It's highly likely that I did NOT get it and maybe still don't, so I'm risking it again to give a shot at it.  I will be addressing or referring to both Janet and Ami in my post, to hopefully avoid that "ganged up on" feeling that I apparently caused earlier on.

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Re-posted about Janet's view:

I decided to set a boundary, and told her that I no longer wanted to hear any details at all of the relattionship she is having. She agreed to respect my boundary....and then in the very next sentence, stomped all over it, by saying 'I respect what you are saying about ****. I just want to ask you WHY you think it is doomed--just your opinion' (and other questions, which I don't want to list here).

Ok, now:

1.)  Ami was sharing info about an online affair, in a private message with you, Janet.  (I think that part was clear to me, yes?)

2.) Janet asked you, Ami, to not talk to her about the affair you were having.  (Is that correct?)

3.) Ami, you agreed to not talk about the affair to Janet, right?

4.)  Ami, you happened to then acknowledge that you undertood Janet's boundary, yet right after that, you then asked her opinion as to why the online affair would not work out for you with this other person.  (Yeah?)

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Then you misrepresented the PM in a public thread.

I think Janet is now saying that you took your feelings about Janet breaking off her friendship with you, and covertly posted about what happened, by letting us know that someone from the board had rejected you, Ami.  (right so far?)

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Now you are telling Leah what her feelings are.

All the while insisting that you have done nothing wrong....

This is what you say Ami :  What I AM saying was Janet set a boundary and I ADHERED to it.

You did not adhere to it.  Tell the truth Ami.

And here, it is said that, Ami, you felt you respected Janet's boundary and even told the board that you did, yet this person feels you were projecting feelings onto Leah that were not her own, as well as lying about having respected the boundary, because, even after you said you understood, you just had to have one "last word." (right?)

Ok, this to me, if it had happened as i just perceived and wrote about, is akin to someone being on a phone call, saying they need to hang up now and the other person saying "oh ok, you gotta go...just one more thing" and then proceeding to talk.  IS THIS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED HERE maybe?  Please both of you, can you look at this situation objectively from the other's viewpoint at ALL?  Are you able to walk away and remain separate yet still see each other's way of viewing it?

I'm guessing that Ami saw nothing wrong with asking just one more question.  I'm also gathering that, based on maybe Ami's temperament, she may be a Sanguine who loves to just talk and talk or maybe even a Melancholy who has deep feelings and wanted to just keep sharing.

I'm also guessing that possibly, straight-thinking, to-the-point, tell it like it is Janet, when she said NO MORE, she MEANT JUST THAT...END IT, NOT ANOTHER WORD, AMI.  I AM DONE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC.

We are all so very different, and yet, by our temperaments there are some noticeable likenesses at the same time.

People fascinate me.  Let me know if I "got it" yet or not.  I welcome ALL comments.

~Laura

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #154 on: December 12, 2007, 01:56:59 PM »
I always wanted to study Social Psycholgy. I was fascinated by things like the Milgrim experiment. Now, I am living in the middle of a lynch mob. The funny thing is that with all your hatred and all your vitriol, you have given me a priceless gift. If every single one of you "hates" me,I STILL did what I said. I am STILL here. I faced shame and humiliation and I  am still standing. My WORST nighmare came true. I was shamed and humiliated in a public setting. THIS was the stuff of which my phobias were made,
   Guess what? I have a few people who love me. God loves me. I have a core after all. WHO could endure THIS without a core.?   So, all is well that ends well.  Now, off to the gym!


Ummmm..... drama heaped on top of more drama..... ended with a flighty NOW OFF TO THE GYM! like she's a movie star trailing a beautiful long scarf, waving to all the little people who surely envy her and that simply must be the reason for all this attention she's receiving.  ::nod::




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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #155 on: December 12, 2007, 01:57:41 PM »
Tell the truth Ami....

Quit battering her....

Tell the truth Ami....

Quit battering her....

Tell the truth Ami....

Quit battering her...


Emotional dramatic pointless interjection by Ami..... and she still hasn't left for the gym....


Tell the truth Ami.....

Quit battering her....

Tell the truth Ami.....

Ami's on her way to the gym.... again.... and she's even more dramatic and staunch in her refusal to question her motives and actions.....

Tell the truth Ami.....


OY... ::sigh::



LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'm sorry but can WE see the comic relief here!!!!!!!!

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #156 on: December 12, 2007, 01:59:02 PM »
Ummmm..... drama heaped on top of more drama..... ended with a flighty NOW OFF TO THE GYM! like she's a movie star trailing a beautiful long scarf, waving to all the little people who surely envy her and that simply must be the reason for all this attention she's receiving.  ::nod::


No Lighter -  maybe she just needs a break from drama....





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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #157 on: December 12, 2007, 02:00:25 PM »
Laura,

You

don't

get

it.

I DID NOT end the friendship.

AMI DID. She was the one who said 'I do not care to be friends'

What part of that don't you understand?

How many times do I have to tell you that bit?

I have posted the PMs that contained those words.

Didn't you bother to read that bit?

It was not 'just one more question' after I told her to stop it...it was several questions in that particular PM. It was dozens of questions in the PMs before that (even though I'd told her about two weeks ago that her constant going on about the affair was striggering me). Honestly, Laura, if YOU were getting up to 15 PMs in one day, every day, talking about things that you didn't want to hear, wouldn't you say NO MORE and expect the person to shut up?

To repeat:    no, you have not 'got it' yet.


Janet

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #158 on: December 12, 2007, 02:00:38 PM »
Dear Ami,

I am so sorry you perceive people here as a lynch mob.  That must be a horrible feeling.

Can you understand why Janet posted what she did - underneath all of it?  

It seems to me she was hurt by your actions.

I am concerned for you.

Can you step back for a moment here?

Peace

PS – Lise you said:

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If she was to give in to this board and say "your right, I made a mistake -- it was selfish of me and inconsiderate of me to keep overstepping Janet's limits (which she already confessed to in a round about way on another post) then this board would lynch her, condemn her and them smugly say see told you so.....does she need that - what about compassion.
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With respect and peaceful intent, please do not presume to know how I would react if Ami apologized to anyone.
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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #159 on: December 12, 2007, 02:01:37 PM »
Unfortunately, I don't think we can get through to Ami.  On past occasions, I have tried to get through to her and make her "see", but I was unsuccessful.  Now that Ami views this as a lynch mob, I assume she is totally turned off from what is being said to her.  I think Ami views this as the group attacking her (and in truth, she is being attacked), BUT, there is so much truth in what people are telling her, but she cannot hear it because she WON'T listen.

There are none so blind as those she will not see and there's none so deaf as those who will not listen.

I truly wish that Ami could just get out of her own way.  Like many of us, she is her own worse enemy.

On the other hand, I also believe that Ami creates so much of her own drama and then swims, paddles, floats and drowns in the sea of her own self created drama.  Ami, I know you refuse to see a therapist because your mother is one and because you spent years in therapy and alonon, but, I believe if you found a GOOD therapist, you could improve so much more rapidly then you have.  Again, you won't listen and you persist in posting self torturing posts full of circular reasoning.

Ami, I know you are not open to this, but I have found that you often rationalize your actions so that what you do is OK.  I think you need to become conscious and aware of what you do and what you say.  As Mudd said, merely tossing out the line about casting the first stone does not justify and make OK the mistakes you made.  We all make mistakes and we all need to be aware of our mistakes and not justify or rationalize our mistakes.  Instead, we should face our mistakes and learn the lesson.

Ami, it does not serve your healing to dig your heels in and accuse everyone of hating and lynching you.  That simply isn't true.  Many here have compassion for you and want to see you heal, but you must be truthful with yourself.  Although you may not want to admit the truth on the board, I hope you will admit the truth to yourself.

And please, find a good therapist to help you.



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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #160 on: December 12, 2007, 02:03:55 PM »
Anon123:

Are you one of Leah's multiples?

You sound just like her.

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #161 on: December 12, 2007, 02:05:29 PM »
Laura,

To repeat:    no, you have not 'got it' yet.


Janet


::Handing Janet more ice::

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #162 on: December 12, 2007, 02:06:38 PM »
Gabben/Lise,

I think I know who Anon123 is, and she is very well qualified to say what she is saying. She is not Leah (not Leah's style at all). But she used to be a good friend to Ami.

Janet

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #163 on: December 12, 2007, 02:08:37 PM »

lighter,

::Handing Janet more ice::

Have you got any brandy that I could put it in?


Janet

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Re: Setting the record straight about Ami
« Reply #164 on: December 12, 2007, 02:10:31 PM »
Once again:

Here is something Ami wrote...I see repentance here as well as someone beating herself up. She is also expressing strong emotion, which I have come to gather does not resonate very well on this board.


I do not see her naming a board member. Since Ami and I PM everyday, Ami usually checks in with me to See how I am doing and NOT to talk about herself, She never mentioned Janet and her problems to me. She only mentioned how much Janet meant to her as a friend. In other words she could have tried to confide in me about Janet in order sway me from her. But I had no idea what was happening.

I think Ami just needed to express herself and the strong emotions that the situation brought up for her - I can't say she was trying to hurt Janet, at least consciously as to start a lynch mob thread.

Lise



Did anyone know about Janet and Ami's problems before this thread??????


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Thank you Lise and Seasons,
  I think that I am getting to a DEEP layer.Whatever my outside circumstances my true "foe" is shame.. Today, I had a rejection from s/one. Rejection is just part of life. We all have been on both sides of it and will continue to be. It just happens.
 Actually,it was very freeing for me, surprisingly. I read an article that IF you are afraid of s/thing, you should put yourself in the path of it repeatedly until you are not afraid anymore.
  At first,I felt horrible. Then,I thought, this is just part of life.I have been hiding from life for too long. I was afraid of "ghosts'. Rejection only hurts to the degree that I shame myself. IF I see it as simply "people moving on". I will be fine .I AM fine, actually.
  I really and truly think that I should get in line for more rejection(LOL) b/c it is a big bogeyman.It really is. The ONLY time that it destroys you is if YOU shame yourself with it.(as I said)
  If you just say,"Hey,people move on",then,you are OK.
 What is happening to me is that I am learning junior high lessons at an older age. In junior high, you make up and break up. You screw up and learn. You CAN  be immature b/c you are at the "right" age. I am at too old of an age to be 'immature'. HOWEVER, I am immature.(emotionally) It iS that simple. I AM learning junior high lessons ,now. It is true.
  Maybe,I was too immature for my friend.
I can live with that simply b/c I must find my voice's matter who I lose or gain.I simply cannot go back to 'Miss Nice".
   I am so tired from this that I wonder IF I am getting better or worse. I am sure that you know THAT feeling. You are simply exhausted from all these emotions.
  Inside me, I have a little feeling that I actually AM getting better. I hope so. Lord,I hope so     Ami