Conflict/Drama/Religion/Respect

[axa]

I went to bed last night relieved that the day was over.  I always feel anxious and sad around the time of my daughter's anniversary but having cried, laughted, talked etc. I felt able to take myself to bed and sleep.  But you know what, I could not. This board was on my mind and that is why I am writing this post.

In my recovery over the years I became aware of my need for drama in my life.  I am convinced that this was part of the reason I ended up with XN - the highs and the lows.  It allowed me relive my experience in my FOO.  I received so much help on this board and through others comments and support I was able to look at this part of me.  I have found the conflict that has gone one here recently very familiar and choose to not engage in it.  I believe at some level I am almost hard wired for drama and feel that the way to deal with this is to find healthy adventures/drama - e.g. a rollercoaster.  It does not involve any emotional fallout for anyone.  And that is what I have to say on that subject.

I assume that this board is representative of the three D world.  This leads me to believe that there are people on here who post, or lurk, who are Jewish, Muslim, Athiest, Agnostic,  Christian, Hindu etc................. It always interests me that no one seems to feel a need to bring their beliefs onto this board other than some of the Christians.  I think whatever your belief that is your business, dare I say between you and God. I respect your right to believe whatever you choose. If I feel a need to read the Bible, Torah, Koran I will seek one out. I live in a part of the world where Christians from different faiths have been killing each other for decades, the bible in one hand and the gun in the other and respect long vanished into the mists of time.   Justifying their actions because they each know the Truth. 

My understanding of Voiceless is that it is a safe place where those who have been abused by Ns came come and receive support, encouragement - a place of safetly.  In the past it has been for me.


Please feel free to comment but I am not interested in engaging in discussion about this post. 

axa

[reallyME]

Axa, it's kind of hard to comment if we're not supposed to discuss your post, but all I am going to say is, it is very sad and wrong that any followers of Christ's NEW TESTAMENT (not old per se), would be killing each other.  I do not agree with that nor would I join them in it.

At some point I'll be talking more about what I stand for.

~Laura

[reallyME]

ps.  by the way, my relationship with my Lord, is PERSONAL, NOT PRIVATE, and I'm not sure where "christians" come off saying "It's MY private belief and I don't have to share it"...please someone, show me THAT in the Bible.

~Laura

[JanetLG]

axa,

That's a very sensible post, thank you.


Janet

[Leah]

The only life question that one really needs to ask is this ....

.... does the characteristic behaviour of the person professing their OWN faith belief  MATCH  the teachings of THAT faith belief ??


For example ...

"By their fruits shall you know them"


In reality does the person walk the walk ?


(words can be a multitude of things)


That's my life guide.

Love, Leah


Thank you (( Axa )) for my voice here and now.

[teartracks]

Hi axa,

I live in a part of the world where Christians from different faiths have been killing each other for decades, the bible in one hand and the gun in the other and respect long vanished into the mists of time.   Justifying their actions because they each know the Truth.

This type war isn't exclusive to Christians.  In Darfur for instance, it is between Muslims.  The Arab Muslims have conducted a war of ethnic cleansing against the black African Muslims.   I haven't seen them thumping the Koran with their guns, but they mught as well be.  I'm not condoning the behaviors of either the Christians you speak of or the Muslims.  Just making the observation that no particular religion has the market cornered when it comes to violence and outright war.

Do you suppose these wars are in part driven by a collective cultural  craving for drama? 

tt


 

[tayana]

Axa,

Thank you for your very sensible post.

I believe Axa meant that she was not going to discuss the post further in the thread, not that others couldn't carry on the discussion.

[teartracks]

I believe Axa meant that she was not going to discuss the post further in the thread, not that others couldn't carry on the discussion.

Yes, I think that is what she was saying. 

tt

[Leah]

Izzy posted ....

(A new translation in Britain, I think it was, had printed "Thou shalt commit adultery" and shipped out the bibles. I don't know the outcome of that, but just one word changes the meaning.)

Dear Izzy,

I have the details of that here on file, and also in the 'history of the bible' resource book, what happened there was,

it was an error in the Printing at the Printers.

Certainly gave me chuckle at the time of reading about it.

Love, Leah

[tayana]

Izzy, that was a lovely post, and I agree with much of what you said.  There are some topics that are better left in private or in the proper forum.

Izzy, your last comment made me chuckle. 

[Leah]

As I recall, some people pointed out that this is a board which family members may be around and that they asked that it be respected that it may not be in the best interests of their family members to discuss the subject of s-x here.

Which is understandable.

Leah

[Leah]

Just another note, that there are at least 3 countries represented here, Canada, USA, England, so some people would not fit into a Political debate re USA.

Thank you Izzy

As I would really struggle to engage.

Leah

[mudpuppy]

For many Christians it is our faith in God which we believe has been the key to our survival and healing. Is it improper to discuss that key to our survival and the place it has in our lives? I hope not.
I see a great deal of this type of discussion and very little proseletyzing so what's the problem?
Hindu's, Jainists, Zoroastrians and atheists are just as free to discuss the role of their faith (or lack of same) in their journey and I expect there would be no problem if they did.
In fact there was a time when there was considerable discussion by some folks of the role Bhuddism and new age ideas played in their lives and nobody griped.
If we can talk about some in-law or head shrinker or shyster helpng us seems to me we should be able to talk about our Creator helping us too.

mud

[teartracks]

Hi Mud,

Is it improper to discuss that key to our survival and the place it has in our lives? I hope not.


I hope not too. 

I personally find discussions about other beliefs stimulating and interesting.  My observation is that most Christians remain at a kindergarten level when it comes to defending their hope in Christ.  But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:KJV

I think one of the key words in this verse is 'asketh'.

I think one of the hallmarks of a mature Christian is their ability to clearly articulate the basic tenets of their beliefs and why they believe them.  When that happens, they won't feel 'contaminated' by discussions with others who believe differently.

tt

[Gabben]

For many Christians it is our faith in God which we believe has been the key to our survival and healing. Is it improper to discuss that key to our survival and the place it has in our lives? I hope not.
I see a great deal of this type of discussion and very little proseletyzing so what's the problem?
Hindu's, Jainists, Zoroastrians and atheists are just as free to discuss the role of their faith (or lack of same) in their journey and I expect there would be no problem if they did.
In fact there was a time when there was considerable discussion by some folks of the role Bhuddism and new age ideas played in their lives and nobody griped.
If we can talk about some in-law or head shrinker or shyster helpng us seems to me we should be able to talk about our Creator helping us too.

mud

A soothing read and voice of reason -- thanks.