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Re: Our Shadow Side
« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2008, 06:23:50 PM »
I have a lot of anxiety ,so I guess I am safe(lol)       Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2008, 06:24:29 PM »
Ami,

Some good behaviour comes easily to me, and some of it is a matter of discipline. And in some cases I really have to grit my teeth!!!

I've made a lot of mistakes, and the way I usually handle those mistakes is to try to understand myself better, and avoid setting myself up for failure in the future. An analogy might be an alcoholic who avoids bars, because they know they have weakness for  drinking. Thats how I deal with my shadowy side sometimes.

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2008, 06:26:11 PM »
Bella,
  That is a VERY helpful answer to me. Thanks. It is simple and practical. Thanks, Girlfriend.          Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2008, 06:27:44 PM »

Been away from the board for a few moments and WOW such interesting informative dialogue

Thank you both, Lupita, and Carolyn

Love, Leah


For example those who pull your wings out and complain when you say ouch. No anxiety.

Anxiety produces remource.

Lack of remource-------> repeat the offence----------> repeatitive behavior------------->predominant attitud---------->personality disorder


That makes so much sense, Lupita, and I am taking note.


per the Lord Jesus in Matthew 15, especially verses 18-19

"But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.   
For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders
 

Dear Carolyn, bless you, yes, the very scripture we need, thank you so much. 

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2008, 06:31:14 PM »
Those are the extremes. There are greys in the middle. People who repeat behaviors and do not learn from mistakes. Constantly having the same comsequences over and over again.

Dont realize that there is a lever they push to bring whatever is happening to them. And do it again. It is the same fundament. Not murderer but with many problems.

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2008, 06:33:56 PM »
Thank you Lea for the validation.
In the USMLE I have to study a lot of psychiatry. I love it.

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« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2008, 06:35:36 PM »
Ami,

Some good behaviour comes easily to me, and some of it is a matter of discipline. And in some cases I really have to grit my teeth!!!

I've made a lot of mistakes, and the way I usually handle those mistakes is to try to understand myself better, and avoid setting myself up for failure in the future. An analogy might be an alcoholic who avoids bars, because they know they have weakness for  drinking. Thats how I deal with my shadowy side sometimes.

X bella
 


Ah, good old fashioned Self Discipline  :)      Like it Bella,

I go round the houses trying to explain what takes only two words!!

Thank you,

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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2008, 06:40:06 PM »
Thank you Lea for the validation.
In the USMLE I have to study a lot of psychiatry. I love it.


Your welcome, Lupita,

I find it all very interesting, though admittedly, I have not studied it, so some of it goes over my head.

That said, I will read and read again, until I finally grasp it  :)

In the USMLE I have to study a lot of psychiatry. I love it.   Obviously, you do love it, as you have explained it so clearly.

What does USMLE mean?

Thanks,

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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2008, 06:43:02 PM »
United States Medical Licensing Examination. I spoke about that in previous threads. I have passed all the boards. But did not get a residency training position. Probably for age or lack of somebody to pull me in from the inside. very sad story. A lot of money lost.

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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2008, 06:49:09 PM »
So, I guess that everyone,so far, says that we HAVE a shadow side,but need to keep it in check.             Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2008, 06:50:30 PM »
Dear Lupita,

Oh, I did not know, I may have been absent from the board or something.  Genuinely saddend to know that you lost a lot of money due to all that, truly I am. That seems so unfair, after passing all the boards.  You certainly have not had it easy in life.  

(((( Lupita ))))

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« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2008, 07:00:52 PM »
Also genes are involved.

Intriguing to people has been research in animals and humans that links certain neurotransmitters with some of these dimensions or traits. For example, many studies have found a connection between high levels of the neurotransmitter dopamine and behaviors related to novelty-seeking. That gives researchers a place to start looking--genes related to dopamine--among the nearly 50,000 in the human genome.

To date, there are only two real candidate genes that anyone speaks of with any confidence. The first potential link is between some behaviors related to the Big-Five trait novelty-seeking and a gene that produces the protein responsible for creating a dopamine receptor called DRD4. While some studies have failed to replicate this connection, others have identified a link between the DRD4 gene and other traits linked to novelty-seeking, such as drug abuse and attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder. The indication is that this gene--or perhaps some other gene related to it--may influence all these interrelated characteristics.


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« Reply #27 on: January 07, 2008, 07:04:47 PM »
For example, over the past decade, studies have established a connection between high scores on the standard personality trait of neuroticism and major depression. In fact, high neuroticism scores can predict whether someone will develop major depression, says Kenneth Kendler, MD, director of the Psychiatric Genetics Research Program at Virginia Commonwealth University, who conducted some of the research showing this link. Other studies by Kendler suggest that neuroticism and depression share as much as 60 percent of their genes. In fact, most researchers in this area expect they'll find that many of the genes that influence general personality also play a role in many forms of psychopathology

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« Reply #28 on: January 07, 2008, 07:09:37 PM »
Serotonergic genes and personality traits in the Korean population.Ham BJ, Kim YH, Choi MJ, Cha JH, Choi YK, Lee MS.
Yong-In Psychiatric Research Institute, Kyeonggi Province, 449-769, South Korea.

Serotonergic genes have been implicated in mood disorders, alcoholism and certain personality traits. The goal of this study was to investigate the relationship between personality traits and several important genes in the serotonin system. The participants included 146 healthy adults with no history of psychiatric disorders or other physical illness during the last 6 months. All participants were tested by the Temperament and Character Inventory (TCI) and genotyped serotonin transporter, serotonin receptors (5-HT(2A) and 5-HT(6)) and tryptophan hydroxylase gene polymorphisms. Genotyping was analyzed with polymerase chain reaction. Differences in TCI dimensions and sub-scales among three groups were examined with ANOVA. Our result suggested that 5-HT(2A) receptor gene polymorphism (A-1438G) appears to be associated with self-determinism and self-transcendence (ST). Our result also indicated a significant relationship between 5-HT(6) receptor gene polymorphism (C267T) and ST. Further studies of polymorphisms of other genes and their interactions may clarify the complex relationship between personality and genes.

PMID: 14698468 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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« Reply #29 on: January 07, 2008, 07:14:21 PM »
People who smoke, take street drugs or become heavy drinkers may be genetically predisposed to their habits, suggest the results of a large new study.
By combining 46 previous studies, scientists have definitively linked two genes to personality traits thought to make people more likely to take up risky lifestyles.
The analysis of the data from over 20,000 people linked a particular version of a gene for the transport of the neurotransmitter serotonin - 5HTT-LPR - to having a more anxious, neurotic personality.
And a version of the gene for a receptor of the neurotransmitter dopamine - the D4 receptor - was associated with having a more outgoing personality. It is well-established that both these personality traits are more likely to lead to substance misuse.
"Our study suggest that there's a genetic basis to certain kinds of personality trait, which may be important in influencing whether people take up habits like smoking or whether they can subsequently give them up," says Marcus Munafő, team leader of Cancer Research UK's GP research group in Oxford. In the future, pharmaceutical or behavioural treatments could be tailored to the type of person you are, he told New Scientist.
Among the health risks associated with substance misuse is an increased chance of cancer, notes Robert Souhami, director of clinical research at Cancer Research UK. "These people may be resistant to conventional health messages and may need subtler health warnings, or perhaps specific anti-addiction treatment for their particular personality type," he says.
Novelty seeking
The researchers analysed 46 studies examining the association between genes and behaviour. Munafő a psychologist, says that the individual studies have come to conflicting conclusions.
Only two genes were "robustly related" to behaviour, found the analysis. A short version of the serotonin transporter gene was strongly linked to neuroticism. Serotonin is known to control emotions like anxiety and depression. The short version of the gene was associated with lower levels of serotonin activity.
"If you have very high natural levels of anxiety you are more likely to smoke," says Munafő. "If you belong to the group with the short version of the gene, on average your neuroticism score will be 10 per cent higher."
But he adds: "It's high, but still only part of the story." Environment, such as childhood experience or diet, will also have a large influence on how genes are expressed.
Variations in the gene for the dopamine D4 receptor may affect how extravert a person is by altering the brain's response to the neurotransmitter, although this link was less strong. Dopamine is thought to be associated with novelty seeking behaviour and pleasure - which could make a person more likely to try new substances.
The group is currently analysing new data on how genes and personality influence nicotine dependence in a smoker. A relationship between the three "looks promising", says Munafő.
Journal reference: Molecular Psychiatry (vol 8, p 471)