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sunblue

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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2008, 01:17:01 PM »
Leah, Hermes, Ami, Axa, Certain Hope, and Lighter:

Thank you so much for weighing in on my post about compassion.  I so appreciated your thoughts and kind wishes.  So much of what you said really hit home with me. 

I still wonder how it is that you can grow up in the same house with siblings and some of you come out with absolutely no compassion and one of you is the opposite.  Sometimes I truly wish I was more like them.  Not the NPD.  I would never, ever want to be N....but sometimes I do wish I wasn't the type who cared so much about others, who didn't "feel" so much.  I do realize that in my dysfunctional family, I am the only one who puts others first.  Even in the case of my "healthy" brother, he doesn't put others first.

I'm beginning to realize that being raised in an N family has affected him as well.  I really thought he was the one person in my life who would be there for me, who could listen and empathize.  But I was wrong.  Intellectually, I always knew I could never count on my Nmom and co-D dad, but I guess I always thought it would be different with my brother.  I thought if I got sick or needed help, he would be there for me.  But judging by his behavior regarding his sick mother-in-law, I know that's not true.  He's not like the Ns in my family by any means.  He is a good person.  But still he only helps with the things he wants to help with.  The bottom line is that it all leaves me alone.  I can't help feeling really sad, hopeless and resentful about that.

I especially identified with what Axa said.  I think she was right.  Those who suffer more pain tend to be more empathic.  I certainly have suffered the most in my life.  Never a drop of empathy about any of it from my family.  They have never gone through anything like I have.  Maybe that results in their not being capable of understanding or being empathic.  My Nsister, who is a vicious N by the way, is extremely successful and has all the material things.  She's always had help along the way from my parents.  My "healthy" brother is the type Axa referred to as having to "do, do do" all the time.  Even his wife begs him to slow down and rest and relax.  But he'd rather mow a neighbor's lawn, run errands, clean out the gutter than spending time with me or just relaxing.  Moreover, he has an air of superiority about it.  He thinks others who don't do all the time are less than, unproductive or not doing what they should.  I think he has shut down emotionally and definitely has that "just get on with it" attitude.  He doesn't like to deal with my "feelings", just actions.  Oddly, he seems in tune with his daughter's feelings, he's cognizant of those.  But he is so uncompassionate in other ways.  It really breaks my heart.  No one in my family expresses any compassion or empathy at all.  Everything is so black and white.  It adds to my feelings of failure.  I don't understand how people can be so selfish, so unaffected by the feelings of others.

I've always been a really good listener.  I would spend hours listening to a co-worker who made very bad choices in her personal life.  I would offer her advice.  But when she didn't take it, I didn't throw up my hands and turn my back on her.  I didn't because I cared about her and understood.  But I never got that back in return from anyone.  My family, including my brother, is of the mindset, "I tell you what you should do.  When you don't do it, I have to accept it.  If you don't want to change, then forget it."  Their attitude is always one of, just do it.  They have no capacity to understand that not everyone has the capability of getting there.  Just like not all depressives get better by taking meds.  But they refuse to understand that.  Just like my brother's mother-in-law.  She hasnt been taking her PRozac like she should.  So, naturally, my brother assumes that is her problem.  If she just took her prozac, then she wouldn't be depressed.  He fails to take into consideration all the emotional things that has caused her depression like all her medical problems and losing her husband.  It makes me crazy.

I so wish there was something I can do, but I know I can't.  I can't force others to care about me when they don't.  Like I said, in some ways, I wish I was more like them, then I wouldn't always be hurt and disappointed.  I wonder if you can learn to be like that?  I wonder if it would be better?  It just seems like those people in this world end up getting, getting, getting and face no consequences.

I know someone here said "what goes around, comes around," but that hasn't been my experience.  I wish it were so.

I am trying to get out of my situation.  I went on yet another job interview yesterday......but no luck so far.  I've never gotten any good luck.  But I do keep persevering, keep on trying.  In the end, I have to come to terms to being alone, really alone.  There is no one I can count on.  I think this discovery, especially with my brother whom I truly believed was the one person who cared about me, really shocked and hurt me.

Thank you again for posting and sharing.  I'm so sorry for this rant again.  It's been a tough week.  A very sobering week.  A sad week.  So thank you for posting.

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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2008, 01:36:06 PM »
Dear Sunblue:

I truly feel for you, I can see you are hurting, and feeling very much under the weather about this whole family situation.  Your "healthy" brother is no doubt a good man, and perhaps he simply finds it hard (as many men do) to express open emotion. 

One thing is sure, you definitely do not want to become like the rest of the family  :?

You are a good, kind person.  You deserve the best, and it is no harm at all to become "selfish" for a while.  To love yourself, do things for you, spoil yourself. 

I found this article:  you might like it.

All the best
Hermes

http://psychologytoday.com/articles/index.php?term=pto-2485.html&fromMod=popular_depression

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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2008, 02:10:37 PM »
SunBlue...

I think while you're reacting with pain and shock to yet more evidence in your family, you're not paying much fundamental attention to yourself. You've got them under the microscope looking for evidence that you're loveable. But I wonder if you've asked yourself to prove it to yourself. Even while depressed.

I know it must be a daunting challenge, but I believe that is how you can find love. From you, to you.

When you find compassion for yourself, without shame, and bathe your own heart in it on a regular basis...your strength to move out and move on will grow.

And love attracts love. Neediness (maddenly) repels it.
Just one of the mean laws of nature.

I have faith in you,

Hops
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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2008, 04:06:03 PM »
((((((((((((Sunblue)))))))))))) Your pain is palpable and I am so sorry... just hoping and praying that you will receive the touch of love on your spirit and heart which will give you comfort.

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2008, 06:04:55 PM »
Axa:

I understand completely.  I have been there too.  I have dealt with a clone of the individual you are describing. I KNOW what it is like.  You cannot interract with someone like that, less so discuss their feelings (they do not have feelings by virtue of their disorder) so it is a futile exercise.  I did not even bother. 

I also understand your anger.  I used to be angry at the wasted time, mainly that, not to mention the manipulation, the sheer unkindness, the monstruosity of it all.   Axa, it nearly did me in.  I ended up in hospital with physical collapse.  There were fears I might not pull out of it, and believe me I am one tough woman !!  You can imagine how I felt.  Also, I was left with nothing, or very little.  It was like clawing up a cliff inch by inch, getting back to "now".  Now I own my own house, I have a car, a life, my health.

You say:
" I hope sometime in his life he receives exactly the same amount of pain he has inflicted on those who were unlucky enough to cross his path. "

Believe me, Axa, his constant pain is something you would never even want to contemplate.

I would beg you not to wish ill (simply here as your internet acquaintance and getting to know you a little), because it is psychologically bad for you to do that. 

I had great pain and suffering inflicted on me, but you know what, you get to a point of indifference, even though it takes time, in my case it took the best part of three or four years.

Take care
Hermes
Dear Hermes,

I am not at the point of pity or indifference as yet........... yes, I do know that a time will come when I will not care one way or the other but I still rile at the injustice of it all.  I still feel angry and accept that right now that is how it is.  I use this energy to ensure that I do not allow him to stop me living my life, its as if it propels me towards making the best life for me. 

By the Hermes when I see your name I think of head scarves with horses and horse shoes!!!!!!!!!! Hope its okay to say this

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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2008, 09:22:29 AM »
I do believe it can be learned. It is modeled. When a child see his her mother showing compassion he willd othe same. When a child see the mother minimizing the pain of others, the child will od it too.
I know some one who was punished fir feeling sorry for others. Her mother told her that the only one that she sould love was her, because she was the only one who was going to give her a kidney if needed.
So, my point, It can be learned.

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Re: Compassion Gene? Axa
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 09:40:13 AM »
Dear Axa:

Thank you for making me laugh, re the scarves LOL.   :lol:No my online name is not taken from the famous fashion house, but is the name "Hermes" (the mythological  messenger of the gods, the young guy depicted with a winged helmet and wings on his feet, also the protector of travellers and the roads and so on and so forth).  I thought it would be whimsical to have that nickname LOL.

I understand how you feel Axa.  It just feels so unfair, I remember being so annoyed by the wasted time, by losing what I had built up, by being left bereft, with no home.  I think I can safely say I was far more annoyed about that than about "losing" (oh joy!) the N.

Take care and you can ask me anything you like.  I am also wondering about your name LOL.  It is the name of a very big insurance company over here.   
Hermes

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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 09:49:12 AM »
Hello Hermes,

Recall reading, at school, of your namesake in Homer's " Iliad " and " Odyssey "

On wikipedia:

Hermes (Greek, Ἑρμῆς, IPA: /ˈhɝmiːz/), in Greek mythology, is the Olympian god of boundaries and of the travelers who cross them, of shepherds and cowherds, of orators and wit, of literature and poets, of athletics, of weights and measures, of invention, of commerce in general, and of the cunning of thieves and liars.  [1] The analogous Roman deity is Mercury. The Homeric hymn to Hermes invokes him as the one

"of many shifts (polytropos), blandly cunning, a robber, a cattle driver, a bringer of dreams, a watcher by night, a thief at the gates, one who was soon to show forth wonderful deeds among the deathless gods."[2]
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Re: Compassion Gene?
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 09:56:04 AM »
Gosh, Leah, I have a lot to live up to!  I'd better start working on that second paragraph you quote LMAO.

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