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Re: Struggling
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2008, 03:14:36 PM »
Hi Hardtotrust...........isn't it great when you can see thru the intentions of a therapist or anyone for that matter! So many of us who have been wounded early, often by N parents, walk into therapy and don't realize we carry in, our feeling of the child fear of facing the authority of our parents in the form of a therapist. we usually sense the inequality but don't recognize its nature. If the therapist is worthwhile he/she treats you with total respect/empathy and eventually the patient has the ability to resove old dependency issues as he is allowed to challenge in safety the symbolic parent in the therapist. The potential for abuse is there and it's common. An unhealed therapist often "seizes" power while the poor patient never really grows and recovers and still feels" less than"..............regards James

I think I've kinda finally figured all that out... it was after about five years with my abusive ex that I just somehow reached "enlightment."  I call it that because thats what it felt like.  There was just a day she was treating me so badly and instead of dwelling on it and trying to figure her out, I just simply asked myself what was wrong with me that would make me stick around and let it happen?  Thats when it hit me... Holy crap I've been abused before now!  I think I can trace just about everything back to those earlier years.  Its all stuff I learned as a child, that I'm hoping... I can unlearn.  My theory is that if I can learn what my issues are and why I behave that way and why its unhealthy, they can be corrected. 

Thats how I beat my drug problem.... it was learning why I needed them.  Once I realized why I did them it was a piece of cake to quit, cuz I realized my reason for doing them actually had the opposite effect. 

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2008, 10:48:57 PM »
Well, I bet I have you beat, Darren b/c after over 20 years,I JUST realized my H was an N.(lol)So ,do I get the prize(lol)?
As far as counselors, Ann(my current counselor ) is the only one I never gave my power away to. She tried to "take it" ,in a way,a few times,but I only went as far as I  wanted , and that was it.
 A therapist(even a good one) is still a person with foilbles,and does not deserve absolute power .
So many patterns are re-enactments of early years--bleh. I am always afraid people will be mad at me(my M). I replay it all the time.
Do you feel better that you have been posting, Darren?                Hugs,  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2008, 11:15:52 PM »
Man, this motivation thing... I have a VERY big problem with that. It's been years since last time I was motivated. In a way it is good, because I am not falling for illusions as before, only to be disappointed in the end. But it took me a loooooooooooong time to begin to feel a little motivation again. It's possible that it takes so long because now you are going for your real self, your real needs and they have been buried a long time ago.

Very interesting insight you had there!

Hugs.

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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2008, 11:27:53 AM »
Just saying,"Hi" to you, Darren!!!How are you doing,today, friend?           Hugs to you   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2008, 12:52:44 PM »
Well, I bet I have you beat, Darren b/c after over 20 years,I JUST realized my H was an N.(lol)So ,do I get the prize(lol)?
As far as counselors, Ann(my current counselor ) is the only one I never gave my power away to. She tried to "take it" ,in a way,a few times,but I only went as far as I  wanted , and that was it.
 A therapist(even a good one) is still a person with foilbles,and does not deserve absolute power .
So many patterns are re-enactments of early years--bleh. I am always afraid people will be mad at me(my M). I replay it all the time.
Do you feel better that you have been posting, Darren?                Hugs,  Ami

I knew something was off about my ex from the very beginning, it just took me a long time to figure out exactly what that was.  I don't really feel better about posting yet, but I'm sure I will.  The good thing is I don't feel worse.  The first time I came here and posted my story I started feeling bad and took a few months off.  I'm not having those problems now.  Its nice to have people listen an identify and relate to things... I like that. 

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2008, 01:01:18 PM »
Man, this motivation thing... I have a VERY big problem with that. It's been years since last time I was motivated. In a way it is good, because I am not falling for illusions as before, only to be disappointed in the end. But it took me a loooooooooooong time to begin to feel a little motivation again. It's possible that it takes so long because now you are going for your real self, your real needs and they have been buried a long time ago.

Very interesting insight you had there!

Hugs.


I've got a severe lack of motivation and a real procrastination problem.  Sometimes I think I've kinda been trained... when I have free time and space thats the time I feel the need to escape as opposed to doing things I should be doing.  I used to practically be a bum and couldn't hold a job for more than a few weeks.  The only positiive thing I see about my last relationship is that living with a disordered girl was so bad that I actually got a job and worked overtime just to avoid being home and going through the stress.  I guess its a little sad when a day of work is worse than a day at the office, but I worked my little but off the corporate ladder and got to lead my own department.   

I'm not so worried about how long it takes though, because at least I'm finally moving in the right direction. 

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2008, 01:42:46 AM »
Darren, I haven't been on this board for very long but your pain is palpable. I can actually feel it. I also feel your confusion, and your lack of motivation.

What I want to ask you about is giving up drugs and how you found it so easy once you understood. I am a chronic alcoholic and have been for almost 40 years. I use alcohol to try and dampen the pain. The pain changes from time to time. First, it started off being the pain of being married but alone. I was in a new country with a new husband. He seemed to getting it altogether by getting a job and making friends etc. I had a lot more trouble getting a job and I remember Melbourne Cup Day, either 1972 or 1973, sitting home and watching TV  because I had never seen anything like it in my life (In South Africa, we didn't have TV and we certainly didn't have anything like the Melbourne Cup). I was watching one of the TV channels which broadcast the whole day. Everyone filmed was drinking and appeared to be having a good time. I decided that that was what I had to do. I went and got a bottle of Vermouth and some some lemonade. I spent the rest of the day in an alcoholic haze. Boy, did I enjoy the feeling of relief not being subjected to all those feelings of I did not really know what.

The second round of pain started when I found I was married to a man who put his career before me and our relationship. Again although now working, I found I spent a lot of time alone. This gave me a lot of time to reflect. But it was only when the rejections set in, that I started to be concerned. I now know my mother was a narc, and now I found I was married to a narc but I didn't use that word to describe him. What happened was he used to work long hours, and I was left to do his household and gardening chores. Instead of being appreciative, he criticised me for me for not doing like he did them. Bells started ringing in my head. Somewhere in the fog that was my past, I remembered my mother doing the same thing.

The third round of pain came after my husband and I separated and I moved on. I met an older man, who had a group of friends that spent hours discussing relationship problems with a huge amount of alcohol and late, late nights.

The forth round of pain started when I married this seemingly kindly psychologist. Boy, did he mess with my head. I used to drink to distance myself from his seeming completely unemotional assessment of everything I did, like I was the client. I even found clinical notes (in the bin) that he wrote about me. So I started acting like his emotional mouthpiece, ie his was completely devoid of emotions, so I did his feeling for him. It became a sack of baggage that I carried around all the time, like being 20 kilos overweight.

Again, whilst putting together bits and pieces about my life, I just couldn't fit it altogether, like a jigsaw missing a couple of pieces. It is only recently that I met someone who provided the missing pieces of the puzzle and I can now see it so clearly. The problem is even though I have solved the puzzle, I seem to still need the numbing quality of the alcohol. I have convinced myself that I am most lucid when I dull my emotions and write or talk about my feelings. Maybe, it is just a habit, maybe it is just a crutch that I have got used to.

So Darren, I am very interested in how you came to the conclusion, you no longer needed the drugs. I have been told it is possible but I want to know how you did it. It must have taken a lot of courage, and commitment.

I hope some of what I had written makes sense.

Kim in Oz.




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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2008, 09:31:48 AM »
Hi Kim =)

Its hard to put into words how I got past the drugs, it was a combination of things and a very spiritual journey.  Once I reached a certain mindset, giving them up was actually very easy and wasn't much work at all.  I wanted to give them up more than I wanted to do them.

I think it had a whole lot to do with hitting rock bottom. I'll try and write a story about it because theres a lot to it.  I didn't reach the mindset to pull it off voluntarily, its more like life gave me a hard kick in the a**.  I spent six years with a very psychologically disturbed person, and in that time I learned alot about psychology and mental processes trying to understand her and make things better.  I never fixed anything and never got her to understand there was something different about her, but I did learn to understand it.  Then one day I gave up on her and looked in the mirror, and everything I learned about psychology got reflected onto myself. 

I dunno, its complicated... life kinda forced me to look at things differently...especially myself.  I couldn't look at myself honestly until that point.  It was easy after that, but what got me there sure wasn't =)  I think at that point my desire to quit destructive behaviors became greater than my desire to do them.  Before that, I just didn't really want to get better on any deep level, and I was comfortable with where I was even though I shouldn't have been.

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« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2008, 10:59:14 AM »
Dear Darren,
 What happened to you with drugs,happened to me after Scott died. Life forced me to look at things,differently. Thank you, Darren and Kim,            Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2008, 10:03:46 PM »
Hi Darren and Ami. I thought there must be a catalyst, which changes your mindset. I would love to hear the story of how you got to that point, Darren. Ami, you have shared your story so openly on the board and made yourself so vulnerable to all of us. Thank you. I'll have to put some more thought into what I am trying to escape from, now I have got to this point. Darren, you mentioned something about getting some hobbies. I suspect one of my problems is having too much time on my hands. Before I used to be a perfectionist (and a carer) so I filled my time cleaning, shopping, tidying up, ironing,washing, wiping down the walls, fixing anything that I could fix ie the flyscreen inserts, mowing, watering, pruning etc. I kept myself so busy, I hardly had time to think. Now that I am myself and not driven by my mother's desires to be perfect, I am a complete slob. I only do what has to be done and even then it is only if I want to do it. I do work in the garden because I love it but I don't do a lot. I seem to have so many empty hours to fill. A friend told me when he gave my drinking  30 years, ago, he didn't have much time for anything else. He was surprised how much time he suddenly had on his hands. Now he is so busy, he wonders how he ever found the time to drink.

Kim in Oz

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« Reply #25 on: March 17, 2008, 08:21:49 AM »
Dear Kim,
 I can hear that you are in transition. You "crack me up ' with your description of your house. Thank God, my friend has a cleaning business.My H begged her to come twice a week(lol)
 I have one beer a night since Scott died. I could see how one could become an alcoholic b/c it is a powerful drug.Now, though, I WANT to live. I want to learn how to navigate life, with my own compass. I have a passion to do this.
 I can see beautiful things out there for me, if I can own myself.
 I have hope,Kim. I think hope is an important thing.
 Keep writing,Kim. I think sharing your thoughts and pain will help you to get clarity. I think that is a part of what you are searching for.
          Love    Ami

(((((Kim))))))
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« Reply #26 on: March 17, 2008, 03:21:21 PM »
Hi Darren...How are you doing today? I've been re-reading a few of the posts people wrote after i posted my story. In yours you started "thats quite a story". I'm not sure if mine is any different than others. I felt the same about yours when i read it. My childhood was all i knew and it seemed "sort" of normal to me. (a really sick thought). You comment helped me challenge in a bigger way the old illusion of "normalcy" . Sometime now i feel nausated the more i'm able to see that it wasn't. I guess it takes awhile for this to sink in. I've been brainwashed for lack of a better word.  Can you relate to this?     Best  James

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« Reply #27 on: March 17, 2008, 03:29:19 PM »
Dear Darren
  I can see that you have already "opened up" a lot. I see you having a little hope that "maybe" you CAN get better. I felt that way when I found the board,too.
   The board is the most healing it has ever been,since I have been hereIMO)
 I think that you will be  safe to be "you" and share ,as you see fit. It is SO hard to share honestly . I do it b/c I must ,if I am to heal. It is the only way I know to reclaim my "stolen" core.
  Life has little value when you are numb and I have been numb long enough.
  I think that if you stay on the board, you will  find your  "lost self".It is probably more buried than lost.
  Take your time and trust yourself to heal in  a way in which  you are comfortable.    Love and a Hug,  Ami
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« Reply #28 on: March 17, 2008, 05:13:01 PM »
Hi Darren...How are you doing today? I've been re-reading a few of the posts people wrote after i posted my story. In yours you started "thats quite a story". I'm not sure if mine is any different than others. I felt the same about yours when i read it. My childhood was all i knew and it seemed "sort" of normal to me. (a really sick thought). You comment helped me challenge in a bigger way the old illusion of "normalcy" . Sometime now i feel nausated the more i'm able to see that it wasn't. I guess it takes awhile for this to sink in. I've been brainwashed for lack of a better word.  Can you relate to this?     Best  James

I say its quite a story because, and I think a lot of people do this, when I read other people stories I start to think mine wasn't so bad.  I judge my story against others... and its a hard habit to break.  I can relate, I didn't realize that there was anything abnormal about my childhood until a few years ago.  I didn't realize my current friendships weren't healthy either.  I don't know how I couldn't know, but I suppose I just thought everyone grew up that way or that it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. 

As far as my childhood I don't ever feel nauseated about it, but maybe I'm different.  I don't really have any feelings or emotions attatched to it at all.  I'm so bad that I literally can't cry anymore... I didn't even cry at my fathers funeral.  On the other hand, regarding what happened in my last relationship,  Idid have a lot of pain associated with that.  I felt nauseated, I even felt faint and dizzy, when I realized what was going.  And I most definately felt brainwashed. 

I think that getting to the bottom of all that happens to us requires us to step out of our comfort zone a little bit, but it gets better.  I know when I  first started feeling misrable Istarted wondering what use emotions had at all because it seemed so terrible and they were all bad, but I had to face them to explore them and start getting better.

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« Reply #29 on: March 17, 2008, 05:17:23 PM »
Hi Darren and Ami. I thought there must be a catalyst, which changes your mindset. I would love to hear the story of how you got to that point, Darren. Ami, you have shared your story so openly on the board and made yourself so vulnerable to all of us. Thank you. I'll have to put some more thought into what I am trying to escape from, now I have got to this point. Darren, you mentioned something about getting some hobbies. I suspect one of my problems is having too much time on my hands. Before I used to be a perfectionist (and a carer) so I filled my time cleaning, shopping, tidying up, ironing,washing, wiping down the walls, fixing anything that I could fix ie the flyscreen inserts, mowing, watering, pruning etc. I kept myself so busy, I hardly had time to think. Now that I am myself and not driven by my mother's desires to be perfect, I am a complete slob. I only do what has to be done and even then it is only if I want to do it. I do work in the garden because I love it but I don't do a lot. I seem to have so many empty hours to fill. A friend told me when he gave my drinking  30 years, ago, he didn't have much time for anything else. He was surprised how much time he suddenly had on his hands. Now he is so busy, he wonders how he ever found the time to drink.

Kim in Oz

I'm a horrible slob myself.  I think things like depression can make you that way.  My apartment was a train wreck, but we actually got it clean this weekend.