Author Topic: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery  (Read 17849 times)

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Dear Richard,
 Lighter(IMO, for many reasons,which I could share) is posing as a Board member ,who I believe has died(Changing).
 Changing told me 3 weeks before she stopped posting that she was in grave danger from her ex H, who was involved with very,very "shady" people.I was very close to her and she told me,in confidence.
 Now "Changes" has come "back" as Changing and nothing rings true.
 I think it is dangerous to the board for s/one to assume s/one else's "identity". IF(and I know it is not true) she IS Changing, she should have to be able to access the original name in order to portay herself AS Changing, IMO.
 I am a  very grateful board member . I am simply writing about a situation and offering my opinion. I hope that is acceptable to you and not being presumptuous .
                            With greatest appreciation   Ami

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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity and motiPh & Mystery
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2008, 09:58:17 PM »
Izzy,

Wanna borrow my "I Don't Do Drama" t-shirt?

Carolyn

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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity and motiPh & Mystery
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2008, 10:03:34 PM »
No Thank you, Carolyn

I don't do T-shirts

Izzy

P.S. Changed the title and wanted to add  that "just when you think it is safe...."
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2008, 10:42:12 PM »
Okay.

Well, I did a bit of research of my own re: this password business.

Turns out I never designated a "secret question" to my account. So if I lost/forgot my password, I couldn't retrieve it that way.

Also, I have a new primary email address now (provided by my new isp). If I'd used my previous isp email address when registering my account here on the board, then the "forgot my password" link sent there would not reach me and - again - I'd have no way to retrieve my password.

Bottom line:
Lawyer or not, my password would be irretrievable via the ordinary means provided here on this board.
Amazing what you can sort out when you have no preconceived notions.

In days gone by, I've suspected some pretty strange stuff at times myself, but I've found that Dr. Grossman has been proven correct, when he told me once that folks' suspicions are usually wrong. So I think it's a good thing to give up such theorizing... at least, that works out better for me  :)

Carolyn
 

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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2008, 01:10:56 AM »
Hi-

I am OK- just a computer illiterate. I am sorry if I have upset anyone- I have been following my DV counselor's advice and doing what I can to keep safe, was extremely broke, etc. I am sorry if I have caused any problems here.

Love,

Computer Dummy Changes (will be Changing again after Thursday  with your kind tutelage)

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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2008, 06:48:17 AM »
I hope so very much that I am wrong!           Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2008, 10:06:57 AM »
I have so much trouble figuring out if I am being myself - or some scripted, programmed robot - that I can't imagine having the time to wonder & worry about whether other people are themselves, too... or imposters. And it's surely distracting; I need to keep my focus on what I am doing/feeling.

So I take everything at face value. Including that people are who they say they are - with the understanding, that sometimes we don't know who we really are.
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2008, 10:18:58 AM »
just wanted to add I am removing my posts, message board drama is to be a huge step backward in life, I hope you guys figure it out and then take a break from the computer, it really helps me personally.

I know I have been sucked into drama on email/MB's before and its just not worth it!

When you hear of "someone dead" "someone pretended to be that dead person" etc it sends cold chills down my spine, I immediately think there is some strange stalker around here and I can't risk the wasted time and effort to read of this stuff

God Bless
JO
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2008, 10:55:48 AM »
It is in Dr G's hands, Little jo.
You can be safe going on with the board.
I am very interested in your situation and many , many other people are, too.
                                               Love to you,  Ami
 
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2008, 08:40:59 PM »
Dear Lighter,

If I was a newbie I would be a bit afraid of your post above...Ami is actually following her gut instincts.

Your post, if I might say, is dripping with contempt, disdain and sarcasm, which is form of passive aggressiveness which in my opinion is more scary than the out right defensive anger.

For the sake of putting myself in your shoes, if I was being accused, I too would want to defend myself and I would feel angry. False accusations are painful. But Ami is just following her gut instinct.

I would have to imagine that there could be other ways to get around an IP address...such as using chat cafe's? Am I wrong?
 

Lise


Oh, did I mention condescending?
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2008, 09:19:46 PM »

Dear Lighter,

Ami has already said on more than one post "I hope I am wrong" or words to that effect.

I feel that it would be far more beneficial, not only for Ami, but for everyone, if an open caring discussion took place with Ami, rather than any passive aggressive / rude / covert postings placed on the board, here and there.

Bearing in mind the agreement we all "ticked" yes in agreement, upon joining this VESMB message board.

Sarcasm is a form of passive aggressive abuse - and I can signpost to that fact which is a truth.   

I have sat here feeling immense sadness for Ami, as she is a person, a fellow member of this board, you see, something is just not sitting right with me, regarding how Ami is being treated for posting openly of her real 'gut instinct' concern ......... which is her truth.

I have read again, on the "password" thread, which was to be a step by step form of help to the personage of "Chang, C, Changes, Changing"  (why the play on several names, posted here and there, is in all honesty quite baffling to read) and this thread, Izzy's thread, with Ami's message to Dr Grossman, and I do understand exactly why it is that Ami had, has, such a real concern ........ her truth.

Given that prior to "changing's" final posting on January 09, 2008 --  Ami has shared with us on the board that "changing" had been engaged with Ami and had said to Ami that she was in fear of her life, due to the reasons expressed.

Then, "changing" stops posting soon afterward.

What would anyone think?   Indeed, a couple of threads were created in earnest, with concerns about "changing's" sudden disappearance and cessation of posting, to which members posted.

According to Ami, apparently, "changing" was open and friendly with Ami, and so understandably Ami would be bewildered to see someone come onto the board as Chang es
and not make contact with Ami.   Then, when questions were raised, state that she can't recall the previous personal messages they exchanged.  Can't find her profile -- can't do anything about her password.


I really do understand why Ami has openly and honestly posted of her very own concerns and "gut instinct" - based upon what she herself is aware of - for we don't know of the PM friendship, but I believe Ami when she says that there was a PM friendship with "changing" personage up to and including "changing's" last post in early Jan'08.


I myself had a good relationship with "changing" out on the board. But, I did not engage in a PM friendship with "changing"   
And so, I too was somewhat bewildered with Chang es   postings on the board.


If someone told me in PM's that their life was in danger, then suddenly disappeared for a long time from posting on the board, I too would most likely fear the worst case scenario.


>   ISP's and PROXIES etc., ? (of which I am not genned up on, however, someone did post about this here on this board a few months ago -- Jan/Feb time?) I am sure that one could find out about this on the web. 

>   FREE Internet Access at Schools, Colleges, and other public community places ?

>   Internet Access at the Library ?

>   Internet Cafes




Dear Ami ,

I really do understand the reason why regarding your truth, your gut instinct.

And I feel so saddened to know that you have supported your friend "changing" in your PM friendship, who had expressed a fear for her life with you, for that must have been such a heartrending burden, and then afterward, it must have been quite painful when "changing" disappeared from the board ion January 09, 2008.

Then someone suddenly appears as Chang es   and no apparent acknowledgement or direct communication!

Please know that I hear your voice, and I believe you.


Love to you, and to everyone.

Leah

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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2008, 10:16:47 PM »
I think that both Lighter and Ami - each one - should sit back and work on figuring out why they're afraid of each other...

... and stop trying to convince the rest of us that we should be afraid of either one of them.

Carolyn

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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2008, 10:25:00 PM »

Carolyn, Lighter, please don't misunderstand my posting.

I have merely written that I understand the reason why, regarding Ami's concern and truth.

Grateful,

Love, Leah
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2008, 10:31:55 PM »
If Changes is really Changing ---Why doesn't she just get in to then Changing profile, which is STILL  there and post from there?
Seems simple enough or am I missing s/thing ?     Ami
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Re: Passwords, PMs, Presumption, Pathos, Pity, Motives & Mystery
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2008, 11:31:15 PM »
It appears to me that Ami wants me to stop being a friend to lighter, that she believes lighter is messing with me and demeaning Changing.

Ami's 'I hope I am wrong' would mean more had it been in her message to Dr. Grossman.

Some responses re this are not clear and it is also not at all clear why we have not heard from Dr. Grossman on this issue. However he might still be reading all Ami's PMs from Changing, and now having a word with changing, who is still trying to correct her account re the password.

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Quote from: Izzy_*now* on June 03, 2008, 09:02:37 AM
I haven't figured out why you sent me this, since you don't like me, or if you really believe this. Did Dr. Grossman reply to you?


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Quote from: Ami on June 01, 2008, 05:17:26 PM
Dear Richard,
 Lighter(IMO, for many reasons,which I could share) is posing as a Board member ,who I believe has died(Changing).
 Changing told me 3 weeks before she stopped posting that she was in grave danger from her ex H, who was involved with very,very "shady" people.I was very close to her and she told me,in confidence.
 Now "Changes" has come "back" as Changing and nothing rings true.
 I think it is dangerous to the board for s/one to assume s/one else's "identity". IF(and I know it is not true) she IS Changing, she should have to be able to access the original name in order to portay herself AS Changing, IMO.
 I am a  very grateful board member . I am simply writing about a situation and offering my opinion. I hope that is acceptable to you and not being presumptuous .
                            With greatest appreciation   Ami



I think it is demeaning for you to be engaging with someone(Lighter) who is just messing with you .Also, she is demeaning Changing ,who we both loved.         Ami
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