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Leah

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Enabling in the Community
« Reply #75 on: June 16, 2008, 06:50:28 PM »


I really do think that with the best intentions in the world, or community -- in meaning well -- a person in the role of Enabling - to the Enabled person (recipient)

creates a perpetual ride on the merry-go-round or carousel, which ultimately, creates confusion, rather than clarity, as both parties (or all) are swept along, and/or spun around.

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We often begin enabling in an attempt to be kind and helpful. For example, we may wake someone so they are not late to work.

Enablers may have their own system of denial that is fed by the lies and deceptions of the person whom they seek to help.


The Effects of Enabling

As enabling behavior becomes routine, we end up feeling frustrated, ineffectual, and angry. Often, we continue to enable because we don't want to appear mean or unreasonable.

Enabling behaviors directly and indirectly support the vicious cycle of never-ending problems.

When we stop enabling, when we stop helping and covering up for the person, we allow the person to experience the consequences of their out-of-control behavior. 

We stop shielding them from the consequences of their behavior.


Enabling Is Self-Defeating

When we begin enabling, we often believe we are being helpful. When we find that our efforts are ineffective and the problems continue and become more pronounced, we feel frustrated, resentful, and angry. As the disease and our enabling progresses , our initial discomfort becomes intensified with feelings that can include anger, rage, hostility, sadness, and distrust. Sometimes we become totally numb rather than experience the pain, or we become overly active to avoid feeling. Our focus becomes more and more centered on supporting and protecting the individual and centered less on our own needs. We often feel hopeless, defeated, and depressed. This cycle of problems feeding problems continues until we decide to stoop enabling.

Changing Enabling Behavior

The intensity of enabling behaviors is determined by a variety of factors. For example, if you were raised in a dysfunctional family, your tendencies to adopt enabling behaviors or renew other codependent behaviors may be more easily triggered by a current crisis or continued stress.


When we begin to identify and change our behaviors, they don't just disappear all at once.  Changing takes time and practice, practice, practice. With this in mind, we can look at some examples of changing enabling behaviors.

·   Stop making excuses to others for situations or problems.

·   Refuse to lie.

·   Do not continue useless arguments.      Go to a movie, take a walk, read a good book, or go to a support group meeting.

·   If safe and appropriate, discuss your concerns with the person in a non-emotional way.

·   Find a support system - Private therapy or counseling, a spiritual advisor or minister, or trustworthy friends.     


When you begin to change your enabling behavior it is helpful to have a private counselor or therapist, who is familiar with your individual circumstances. They can be key to achieving positive changes in you.


Changing your enabling behavior sets the person free  --  to seek help, and work through, their own personal issues.
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #76 on: June 16, 2008, 07:01:31 PM »
I think you are saying ,Leah,that we need to STAND UP, always. Truth is the healer, in the community ,as well as within the person.'"You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free."        Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #77 on: June 16, 2008, 07:16:13 PM »
Wow.... sea storm.

::clapping quietly::

Well done.




Now.....





the tricky part is......




everone's sitting around thinking....

"those darned wingbats."


Lighter; )

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #78 on: June 16, 2008, 07:17:05 PM »
Yes, the truth makes one free, indeed, Ami



However, with regard to enabling and the enabled, instead:

Standing up on ones own two feet  --  and allow others to stand up on their own two feet.

Allowing each individual member of the community to simply BE accountable --  for their own life choices, behavioral thoughts, words and actions.

Refrain from reaching out with Enabling behavior  --  which though apparently well meaning, in effect, amounts to a means of self gratification and uplifting,  or self esteem,  or even maybe, false self.

No elevated platform, instead,  a level ground upon which to build upon  --  a solid foundation for healthy healing and growth.

So that all may work through, dig deep for, and find -- ones authentic self.


Hence, community - team spirit, working together and building!


Love to you, and everyone.

Leah


PS.   Much better than remaining seated on the perpetual carousel.
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #79 on: June 16, 2008, 07:21:18 PM »
I think, Leah, that we can say the TRUTH, walk in truth to the best of our ability and that is all. Many people can see the truth, Sister.     Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #80 on: June 16, 2008, 07:33:25 PM »
Leah.... I'm a bit confused, which isn't unusual, but....

it seems there've been a lot of threads on enabling lately....

great posts btw.

Why has it cropped up here, on the healthy community thread?

Not complaining, just curiouse, and I find I need to ask for clarification on many of your posts.... bc our styles are so different.

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #81 on: June 16, 2008, 07:39:35 PM »


Hi Lighter,

Because, I do think that in a healthy community, as expressed in the above posting, Enabling is not helpful and creates a carousel of frustation in the long term, which may have an adverse effect.

Just my thoughts on the subject of what is fruitful in a healthy community, and what may not be.

Enabling was mentioned by another member a day or two ago.

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #82 on: June 16, 2008, 07:47:50 PM »
We can ONLY walk with truth, Leah. That is a paradigm of life , Sister.               Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #83 on: June 16, 2008, 07:49:44 PM »
Ahhh...  I must have missed that post.

I read many others on enabling though.... and remembered them.

Thanks

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #84 on: June 16, 2008, 08:03:25 PM »
Just want to re-post part of the intention for this thread:

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This is an invitation to anyone who has felt there was no point in posting, or who has not spoken much lately, and who would like to have a quiet SHARED dicussion, as in taking turns, with mutliple voices rather than only the familiar few.

(I'm reminding myself too, as I'm surely one of the FF--familiar few...)

Opening the door, wider...

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #85 on: June 16, 2008, 08:15:58 PM »
Thanks for the re-direction, Hopsy.  I really appreciate this thread a lot and I appreciate you taking the time to protect it's intent.  Just wanted to take a minute and tell you that.

Hot date tonight!  hee hee  I'll be back later to add some thoughts...Glad to see you popping in for a bit.



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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #86 on: June 16, 2008, 08:23:30 PM »
I have just gone back to check the thread in reference.


If I may give an example, recently, a newbie joined the board, on May 31, 2008, namely, Oops,

and I was amazed, well to be honest, I was actually quite bewildered  --  to see that only Ami, Changing, and myself -- posted on a thread extending a warm welcome.

Amazed because there were many members posting at that time, and thereafter.   

But, no other member posted to the thread, that I had created simply to extend a warm friendly welcome to a new member, and encourage our new member to join with us in community.   


To be honest, I don't think we extend enough interest in a new member joining, and I think that may be one reason why they fade away    (conflict aside).


Just my thoughts and observation.

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Edit:  typo error.
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #87 on: June 16, 2008, 08:50:08 PM »
I must say, to all, that the name "OOps" made me think of a mistake in typing and I tended to ignore it. I think.

If I ignored a newbie, I am sorry!

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #88 on: June 16, 2008, 09:03:09 PM »
Ouch, Leah.

I have to say..... I experience an eb and flow in posting energy.

Sometimes, I don't have the ability to focus on new voices.

If I don't have something signifigant to say...

and someone's posted to the newcomer.....

I'm relieved and post where I do I feel I can post something more signifigant.

I don't think anyone here would leave a newcomer's post hang, without any response, though.

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #89 on: June 17, 2008, 10:10:51 AM »
Here is a story from my past life as a prof, that relates to healthy, productive community.

I used to co-teach a class in systems design & development - a capstone course for students in the IT program. Some majored in networking, some programming, some graphics...

On the first day of class, we presented students with a real-life client, with a real-life need... and then we asked the class: so how do propose meeting this client's need? Who can do which part of the work? What's the method of working you want to use? Can you meet the deadline (final presentation on the last day of class)?

This was always met with dropped jaws, looks of terror & confusion... because these students were used to a teacher standing up & blabbing... and the student's only task was to know what the teacher blabbed about. But once they understood the "rules" - that they themselves were making the rules, setting the goals, doing the research, the building, writing the reports and explanations... the class quickly became their (and our) favorite day of the week. The large group was often broken down into smaller groups working on parts of the total design solution - but we always came back to the whole group, to gauge progress.

Well, have to say, sometimes there were tears... frustration... anger... because this kind of class was so far out of the students comfort zone; mostly from the adult students - the younger students dove right in. And each group would have a self-designated leader... and yes, there were people who didn't do the work assigned to them or who actually disrupted and interfered with the group's work. As teachers - we did not get involved. When the other students in the group came to us, complaining... asking us to "do something"... we let them know, that they themselves could do whatever they decided - including kicking that student OUT of the group. It would mean that student failed the course, but if they had set criteria for the offending student's participation - and the student failed to meet that expectation - then we would accept their judgement of failed course participation, and assign that grade to the student.

Of course, we would always answer requests for HELP - even from that student. But if the student didn't own up and be responsible for his own participation and deliverable work to his/her group... there simply wasn't any way we would pass that student.

But the point I'm trying to make, is that it was the group itself that made decisions like this - not us, as teachers - even though we could clearly see who was shouldering most of the work & responsibility. We kept providing opportunities for ALL students to make a contribution; to step up to the plate and hold up their assigned responsibility. But when a student clearly got in the way of work - of meeting the goal, which was a feasible design solution to the real-life "problem" and building a prototype - when a student became a problem for the group, the group itself had the means to take action if they so desired. And as teachers, we weren't involved in that process. And sometimes, students would self-select to drop the class (or simply not show up) - and made it easy for the group to re-divide the work load and still succeed.

That, in reality, is the way ALL groups work, isn't it?
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