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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2008, 01:27:12 PM »
Hi Bill,

If you'd like to discuss a conflict with Amber, would you invite her to a separate thread?

thanks,
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #136 on: June 20, 2008, 05:27:13 AM »


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I am well able to protect myself these days, so that's not the issue for me. It's not personal anymore.

What is personal, is when the rules don't apply equally to everyone.

So I felt I needed to say this for the benefit of those who are not able to say it or choose not to.


I do so resonate with the above, and thank you Amber, for I was not able to say it, therefore, I am grateful that you did.

It is personal to me that all does not apply equally to everyone.

Likewise, I am able to protect myself, mercifully.



Women Victimizing Women - anywhere in life - is truly painful to experience - in either role - target or observer.     I can only consider that is why Oops created the thread  "STOP IT ALREADY"

Hand on heart, I sincerely hope it does, stop.   For it is truly such a waste of precious life energy and resources, added to which, most unhealthy for everyone's emotional well being.


Love to ALL

Leah  (of independent thought and voice)


PS.  I wholeheartedly reasonate with the following statement on a previous page ...

I think it's healthier when we speak for ourselves, and don't subtly or otherwise use others as pieces. When we need to address or reference someone else because it furthers things or is a natural part of the flow, that makes sense.

But sometimes I think people are manipulated with flattery, effusive praise (gushing), inclusion and exclusion.


Some of that is discussed here: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?FalseRepentance


Added to which, I am grateful for the website link, the content of which was most alarming, and yet, affirming to my own personal experiential discernment.

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #137 on: June 20, 2008, 09:53:41 AM »
Awesome link, Leah. Good info!                           Blessings,  Ami
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #138 on: June 20, 2008, 12:00:15 PM »
Hi all,

One thing I was thinking about:

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Let me know if it happens again, and you would like me to do something about it.

Best,

Richard

In regards to enforcement of rules/stepping in when there are conflicts/unacceptable behaviour etc., I think this is key.  Maybe it feels awful to try to deal with some of this stuff on one's own but until one actually asks for assistance from Dr. G, it may not happen.  There are, as far as I can see, a frequent number of tussels, understanbly here (due to the fact that many are hurting and purging and learning and sharing and trying to make sense of the emotional chaos of so many experiences) and it would be a full time job to monitor or interfere in each episode, never mind the fact that any value from working things out on one's own would be lost.  However, from what I recall (which maybe I've missed something.....sure wouldn't be the first time), Dr. G will respond when he is asked for help.

Also, aren't rules made to be broken?

There are grey areas eh?  Sometimes, the rules are ignored and it has seemed reasonable to me.  I really don't want to dig up threads but how about a hypothetical example? 

A poster expresses severe feelings of shame and remorse over and over.  After awhile, that person realizes the shame is not theirs and that they have nothing to feel remorse about (the shame was dumped on them by their FOO, whatever).  That person, in their realization, becomes suddenly very angry and posts a long rant containing some swearing and lashing out.  Would it be really necessary to step in and interupt this period of transition over a couple of swear words and a mindless rant?   I know I could certainly do with being more patient, under such circumstances.  I need to learn not to react so much and take things so personally and look closer at what is really going on, ask more questions rather than make assumptions (and I wonder if I'll ever learn???  It's sure taking me a long time  :oops: :oops:).



This might not be the best example but it does show a bit of a grey area, yes?



One word for rallying:

I doubt anyone enjoys the feeling of a number of posters lining up to support one member who is conflicting with another.  If that other member then calls for support from the rest of the members, is that then rallying as well? (I know.....it might seem more like a call for war eh?  Maybe it's just a feeling of desperation?)

Or if one feels "bullied" and asks for the opinion or support of other posters, is that rallying?  Or trying to find clarity? Or the expression of the feeling of helplessness?

I did this myself  :oops: :oops: :oops: (asked for support from other board memebers when I felt bullied and wanted support) and although I'm not proud of my part in that conflict, I did learn that it's ok to neeeeed and it's a good thing to assssk for help and when I did that.......what a feeling of relief when support was offered and my feelings were validated.

I dunno.   To me, there are many grey areas, nothing is really written in stone and I do understand how it seems unfair that every situation is not handled exactly according to the rules or in an identical way but on the other hand, how can that be done perfectly?  Only by a perfect moderator with perfect group members on a perfect forum in a perfect cyber world,  on a perfect day maybe?   Does such a person, place and time exist in this life?

Would not a healthy community allow for grey areas/imperfection and the occasional bending of rules?
Are any of us in a position to be the best judge?

Stepping down from podium and passing stick.

 :D Sela

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #139 on: June 20, 2008, 12:27:57 PM »

Question to all board members:  

              How would "you" feel  (as in anyone here present)  if "you"  logged onto the board and read this posted on the board about "you"   ??



"Leah acts all innocent while feigning victimhood, yet there is not a shred of anger from her, nor does her suffering seem real, except for really shallow...just my observation, well, then --- that is real and really bothers me."



Leah x  


Edited due to "A Thread for Leah"   ('bold' removed and 'red' color removed)
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #140 on: June 20, 2008, 12:56:01 PM »
Hi Leah,

I bet I would feel shocked and confused.  I would probably feel totally invalidated.  I would likely feel insulted and belittled. Also, I bet I'd feel quite angry.  I could just as easily feel hurt.

My opinion about this comment is that it is not just an observation (upon edit: as in, "oh, it's just an observation!"), but also shocking, confusing, invalidating, insulting, belittling, taunting and hurtful.

After all that, if I was really lucky, I might start to wonder what brought this comment on?  I might even wonder if there was some truth in the comment?  I might wonder about the person making this comment?  Why did they make it?  What is their motive?

My response would more than likely depend on the level of trust I have of the person making such a statement or could well be a reaction based on the kind of day I'm having.  :roll:

Sela

PS: Upon reading your edit....my edit:

Are you really rendered voiceless, Leah?  Aren't you still able to post?  Does it feel better to have no contact?

one more edit:  If I managed to stop taking the comment so personally, I might even consider/try to understand what the comment says about the commenter?  :shock:
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #141 on: June 20, 2008, 01:40:14 PM »


Leah,

I can't imagine the pain I would feel. Ouch!

(((peace, love and comfort to you always))) seasons
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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #142 on: June 20, 2008, 02:42:36 PM »
I am sorry, Leah, so very, very sorry . IMO, you are one of the sweetest ,kindest, most "real" people on the board(no troll -lol).
 I am simply sorry you are hurting. It has NO relevance to who you are, IMO.
 It is the person's problem, NOT yours, Leah.    Love    Ami

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Re: Healthy community
« Reply #143 on: June 20, 2008, 07:04:20 PM »


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« Reply #144 on: June 20, 2008, 09:04:06 PM »


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« Reply #145 on: June 20, 2008, 10:28:37 PM »


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« Reply #146 on: June 20, 2008, 11:30:39 PM »
It sounds like you are trying to put it all behind you, Leah. That is wonderful.
I have healed a great deal through my pain, as I think you will through yours.I am sorry for it, dear friend, but God will use it to strengthen you, as He did for me. He is good,loves us, brings us wonderful things and people. All is OK!      Love   Ami


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« Reply #147 on: June 20, 2008, 11:50:31 PM »


(((((((((( Ami )))))))))))

Thank you, and I now recall that it was only last week that my heart cried out in prayer "enough is enough"

It is as though a huge burden has lifted off my shoulders.  I believe that my voice is clear and crisp with the truth expressed of my painful experience.

And I am grateful to be made free of it all.

Now, I can "let go"

I choose to close the door behind me and not look back, in particular, regarding this situation, which is finished as far as I am concerned.


Yes, indeed, Romans 8:28  "And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God."   -- this verse has sustained me throughout much in my life.


"Shalom"   God loves you so much, Ami

Guard your heart, and keep your eyes fixed upon Him.


Love, Leah
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« Reply #148 on: June 20, 2008, 11:54:23 PM »
Thank you, Leah
Two of my board friends commented on your increased strength, so it IS noticable to others. I am really proud of you, Leah and proud to call you my  friend. Shalom,   Ami
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« Reply #149 on: June 21, 2008, 12:20:25 AM »


Thank you, Leah

Two of my board friends commented on your increased strength, so it IS noticable to others. I am really proud of you, Leah and proud to call you my  friend. Shalom,   Ami

 :cry:  now I am filled to gentle tears, this time though, Ami, with an inner joy, sincerely, I am deeply moved that you have shared with me, and gracefully, I thank you.

I do feel that I am getting stronger in myself.   Please forward to your board friends my gratitude for their encouragement, just as I thank you too for your encouragement.

You have grown, more than you realize, and you are certainly more than capable of standing on your own beautiful two feet and speaking your voice, as I have seen lately, so "well done you"

I really do think that validation is a most precious gift to be able to give someone.   

I am glad to know you too, Ami, as a friend.   And other friends here too.   Life's garden filled with friendship .....  (read this poem and liked it very much).

"Shalom" 

Love, Leah 
 

Edit:   I cannot find the poem, but I like this one also:

Count your garden by the flowers, never by the leaves that fall.
Count your days by the golden hours, don't remember clouds at all.
Count your life by smiles, not tears, and with joy on every birthday.
Count your age by friends, not years.
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