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Shaking as I write this....
« on: August 27, 2004, 11:32:21 PM »
can't believe it! last night, not sleeping as usual, i finally got the guts to post some of my "stuff"...don't know exactly how long the post was, but i felt like i typed for hours.  hit the "submit" button - the computer kicked me off right then! started thinking maybe there was a reason, like i got all those words out, nobody really needed to read them, just let it lie. besides, i didn't have the energy to retype...good excuses, huh?

second try here, and if this fails, the puter gets thrown out the window and stomped on! going to use Notepad, then sign on board and copy & paste (got this advice from my son), so maybe this time....

i'm a 49 yr old woman, married (with problems), 3 sons (20, 17, and the youngest turned 16 today).  my N is my "father"...we lost my mom in july 2003 after watching her go thru hell, first with bladder cancer, then with lung cancer, ALWAYS with dad.  i'll try not to get too detailed, cause truthfully i can't remember so many things, and don't want to remember others.

Mom went thru chemo for the lung cancer after surgery when it was found the cancer had metastisized(sp?) and further surgery would be useless.  She had a chemo appointment one day - dad's reaction: "you have to cancel your chemo today, because i have to go to the hardware store and i need you to come with me." the woman could hardly walk at that point, but, hey, that hardware is important stuff!!!  

after her bladder cancer surgery, dad had her up 2 days after being released from hospital, dragging her catheter around, MAKING HIS BREAKFAST, LUNCH, AND DINNER!  sis and i kept trying to cook for them, freeze meals so that HE might be able to heat them up, but he said NO! she needs to get back to her normal routine.  after the lung surgery, she was dragging around an oxygen tank, and was told to use the stairs no more than twice a day - he had her up cooking 1 day after her release from hospital!  

all he did was moan about the costs (they have very good insurance and are NOT poor!), and the annoyance of having to take her to chemo...because then he'd have to sit in his easy chair watching "court TV" all by himself, and it screwed up his routine.  the sicker she got, the meaner he got (of course she was his main supply).  

one day about a month before she passed, sis and i finally got up the nerve (shame on us, should have been so much earlier) to see how sick she was, and that she should be seen by a doc or go to the ER. we went to their house, and dad met us at the door SCREAMING to stay out of their business, if we really cared we would do something for HIM...he even said (about Mom) "doesn't she see the extreme emotional turmoil i'm under right now?  how can she act like this..i think she's faking her pain, and getting addicted to those painkillers!" he'd call sis or me up at 6am, and say "Mom just got up, took one of her pills, and went to lay on the couch.  now who the HELL is going to make me my eggs and salsa?  can one of you come over and get me some breakfast? my stomach is just SICK from being so empty!"  and yes, over we went, even tho he could have gotten himself some cereal, etc.  we also felt that if we were there, maybe he'd leave Mom in peace and whip us instead.

so we're trying to talk dad into calling an ambulance to take Mom to the ER, and all he did was bellow at us to GET OUT OF HIS HOUSE, if we thought he wasn't taking care of Mom properly, we should call the cops on him (oh, how i wish we had), and that we weren't taking Mom's feelings into consideration....so, let's just ask Mom what she wants!  as soon as she opened her mouth, and started to whisper that she'd probably like to go to the ER - he told her to SHUT UP, SHE WAS BEING HYSTERICAL AND STUPID!

(i don't have to explain this to any of you with Nparents, but this behavior didn't just begin when Mom got sick, this was "normal" - as in dad saying "we are a normal family, everyone else is screwed up....but ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS INSIDE THIS HOUSE STAYS INSIDE THIS HOUSE...OR ELSE!"  yeah, "Father Knows Best", i guess.....).

sis and i visited all the time, trying to do anything to make things easier, and were just about to leave one night when Mom's vitals started changing, and she began struggling to breathe. She had been hospitalized previously, but there was nothing more that could be done, so she was sent home with caregivers and hospice. she was in a hospital bed in the room that sis and i had shared, and once when she was still lucid, dad walked in with us, and said "i can't STAND to be in this room!  i hate it!  i can't spend 5 minutes in here without getting a bad headache!" (too bad Mom was in such pain she couldn't share her morphine with him, poor guy). he avoided that room like the plague, and would try to distract sis and i from spending time w/Mom by coming up with his own "needs" - always emergencies.

when Mom's breathing got difficult, and her vitals changed, sis and i called hospice and sat with her. dad went somewhere, who knows, just to be out of that area of the house. we didn't even tell him what we thought was happening.  sometimes we weren't sure she was even breathing, but we kept watching the little vein in her neck, which still showed a pulse.  minutes before she passed, for some reason dad came clomping in "wanting to know what's going on".  we asked him to please be quiet, it appeared that Mom was leaving us.  she was still taking an occasional breath, and that vein was still beating shallowly in her neck, when dad screams out "WHAT THE HELL!!!!!  IS ONE OF YOU GIRLS GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLEAR YOUR SCHEDULES TO GET ME TO THE UNDERTAKER'S TOMORROW?" (sorry, i always get so sick when i think of that - all the docs had told us hearing is the last sense to go when a person is dying, and somehow i just know my Mom heard that, and if sis and i hadn't been involved in helping Mom go from this world to the next, my fantasy is that we would CERTAINLY have taken him to the undertaker - that night - but on his back, not his feet!).

she passed peacefully (we hope) as we had escorted dad out of the room - he had no right to be there, in our opinion.  then all the things that happen after someone passes happened, the hospice nurse declared her dead, the funeral parlor people were called and took her away...and dad wanted to sit on the couch with sis and i and HUG US BECAUSE OF HIS LOSS!  his most telling statement, which he repeated ad nauseum, was "how did she figure out how to get out of here before me? i wanted to go first...now what do i do?  she's out of it, and i still have to stay here?  I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO FIRST BECAUSE NOW I CAN'T TAKE CARE OF MYSELF!!!!"  but of course, with the hospice nurse, funeral parlor personnel, caregiver, etc., he sobbed and sobbed about how horrible it was for him to lose his wife of 50+ years whom he LOOOOOVED so so so much, how did this happen, WHY did this happen...oh, yeah, he put on the grieving widower act to perfection.  in private, he was trying to schedule my sis and i to take care of him (food, shopping, doc appointments, haircuts, housecleaning, laundry, etc. - and don't forget the eggs and salsa for breakfast!)

then he says "Mom's eyes were open - who shut them?" kind of pissed off.  sis and i said "we shut Mom's eyes, because she's not seeing this world anymore, and she didn't need them open to see the wonder of where she is now".  "you actually TOUCHED your mother's DEAD EYES?"  no, dad - we used telekinesis - of course we did, and her eyelids were cool and soft and probably the last physical contact we'd have with her - it was an honor to close her eyes to all the ugliness she had to look at from HIM every day for the last 50+ years!

(sorry, i thought this would go one of two ways: either i would get so sick writing this i'd have to abbreviate it, or i'd end up posting the world's most incoherent novel...i'll try to cut the rest as short as i can, nor will i be offended if anyone chooses not to read.)

she's been gone over a year now, and we've found out that she was covering up for him, as he's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's Disease.  we finally got his license away from him, after one accident when Mom was alive and four sideswipes...we tried to cook/freeze for him (sis is married w/two young daughters, and I've got my 3 boys, and we both live 45 min to 1 hour away from him). we cooked and froze literally weeks' worth of food for his freezer, because he cannot operate a microwave, and needed one-dish meals that could be warmed up in a pan on the stove. we did his grocery shopping (that was a challenge, he wouldn't/couldn't make a list, wanted to tag along so he could criticize everything; did his housekeeping, laundry, drove him to all his appointments (he also has heart disease with a pacemaker/defibrillator) and diabetes which he refuses to treat with meds, diet or exercise, so now has peripheral neuropathy, so is very unsteady/unsafe on his feet). we finally burned out - it wasn't the "chores", it was him, his N-ness - if he misplaced his glasses, he blamed it on MOM (she had obviously hidden them before she died, even tho he was just wearing them 10 minutes before). he was vicious to sis and i, we couldn't take it, and researched housekeepers, meals on wheels, etc., of course he refused.  he was forced to capitulate when sis and i said we just could not continue that way, and his freezer got emptier and emptier, his groceries didn't magically appear, etc.

he now has caregivers from an agency. he developed quite an "affection" for one of them (altho he's extremely bigoted and she's a woman of color, but....she had the brains to know how to "supply" without letting it ruin her). she was recently fired for strong suspicion that she'd been taking financial advantage of him, the possibility of a "romance", etc.....

this coming monday, he has to have the batteries in his pacemaker/defibrillator replaced at a hospital about an hour away from his house.  in his weekly telephone abuse sessions, he'd decided to "cut off all contact with the "evil bitches" that should be his loving daughters, and next time he would see us, it would be in court - what he could take us to court for, i just don't know.  as we figured, the original surgery date came up, he started calling us again, could we PUH-LEEEEEZE take him for surgery as he doesn't trust the caregivers.  sure, dad - so happy to oblige. we had to straighten out the whole surgery thing, will have to get up about 3 a.m. to get him there, and his doc said he needs 24 hour care for the first couple of days....of course, guess who he wants?  NOT!!!!  we can't do it,even if we wanted to - kids to get to school, our husbands have already rearranged their work schedules for monday, etc., so we arranged for his caregivers to work shifts starting when he's released, including overnight scheduling.  he hates this idea, but tough.

btw, one of the reasons we will not stay overnight, or even be in the house with him without outsiders present, is because two months ago, he was feeling so "neglected", he pulled out the "Mom" card - could we please take him to cemetery and put flowers on Mom's grave.  we knew it was just a ploy, but did it anyway, and as soon as we got him home (after watching him alternately snuffle and curse over Mom's grave), he lit into us like the very Devil!  we don't care bout him, don't take care of him, have annoying families that get in the way of his being #1, we somehow screwed around with his financial stuff (which is impossible), he hates his life and we set it up that way, so it would be horrible for him, on and on - screaming, cursing, hysteria, etc.  we were leaving, there was no point in staying, but he wanted the last word, so as my sister opened the door to leave, he grabbed her by the shoulders and banged her into the door several times - the look on his face was inhuman.  i picked up the phone and threatened to call 911 to have him arrested for assault & battery, domestic violence, whatever, and he REALLY went off the deep end, cocked his fist in my face, and i could see his arm trembling because he wanted to punch me so badly (partly because I used "bad" language, and he says he has the "right" to hit anyone who uses bad language or disagrees with him, and will call "101", his version of 911, to report me for cursing!).  we finally got out, and after sis vomited all over his driveway, we took off.

the "Mom" card again - could we PUH-LEEZE come over and take all Mom's stuff out of his house, because it hurts him so much to see it.  this man doesn't even understand that because of dealing with him since Mom's death, we haven't even had a chance to mourn her and accept our own loss, and we're not ready to do that (took him 30 years to go thru his parents' things after they passed). we will box up Mom's things when he is in hospital monday, without telling him, as we do have the legal right to do that, and then we'll deal with the sorting out when we feel strong enough.

after all this (there's so much more, but I know many of you have gone thru worse, and all of you can read between the lines), now he's playing the "grandchildren" card - it's CRIMINAL of sis and i not to bring HIS grandchildren, who he loves SOOOOOO much, to visit him.  here's the scenario: to him, my oldest son is a stupid slacker, has no ambition, and can't do anything right. my middle son is a mental case, has been called a jackass (to his face) by his loving papa, has no talent,and will never amount to anything. my youngest, who has had some problems, has been nicknamed "Osama" and/or "Charlie Manson" and it's just a matter of time before i will have to visit him in prison.  he wants my pre-teen and early teen nieces to sit on his lap (red flag) and "cuddle", but says they do stupid "girlie" things and are dumb (altho on honor roll and President's lists at school). the girls are scared of him (he also loooooves to jab at them with his cane for some reason, really poke them in the arm, leg, side, etc.). all 5 grandchildren are old enough to have seen how he treated Mom (their Nana, whom they loved and miss terribly), to see how he treats sis and i, and now with his violence and threats of violence (told me in a phone convo that he would have me "taken down" if i didn't start obeying him!), we would be wonderful mothers to further devastate our children by bringing them to visit this psycho maniac!

God Above, if we can just make it thru monday and his surgery, we are intending to cut him off. no more daily phone calls to hear him bitch and moan about his lives (yeah, our lives are just GREAT!), no more fake "emergencies" ("it's been 6 months since i had a haircut, i need one NOW!"). i think we're going to try to do it subtly, by brushing him off, letting him talk to our answering machines, etc., because trying to explain to him is useless.  if he doesn't "get it" eventually, our plan is to say "dad, either you're competent and can take care of yourself, in which case you don't need your "evil bitch" daughters, so quit contacting us except for a TRUE emergency, or else we'll see you in court for a competency hearing and try to gain guardianship, so we can at least make sure you're healthy and safe as possible."

can't believe i typed all this - this man is a MONSTER, the Alzheimer's is making it worse, there is no communication, he has his 'bad days" and "good days", but ALWAYS is able to manipulate, lie and demonize. he's worked so hard at creating his current situation for 84 years, and now he's stuck in it, and wants to blame....whoever, mainly sis and me.  i say he's chosen his course, Mom loved him and tried to help him for 50+ years and he didn't get it...he will have to live out the rest of his pathetic life in a world he's created for himself.

and here's the hard part (i know many of you know what's coming)....I FEEL GUILTY! i thought i had a father for such a long time, when i believed him saying we were a "normal" family...i keep thinking there's a nugget of gold somewhere in that black heart of his, and if i just say the right thing, or do the right thing, it'll be like a "movie of the week" and he'll open up to us and actually love us...with Mom as the "buffer" all these years, i actually thought he DID love us (in his own way - haha!), and now Mom is gone, and the dad i thought i had is gone too, but was only an illusion all along.  i know he's sick, afraid, lonely, etc., and i wish i could help him, but will probably get punched in the face for trying.  i feel sadness for him, and pity, and wish he would have made different choices, and that sis and i could comfort him in his last days on earth...but i HATE him, and what he did to Mom and sis and me, and if he exited this earth tomorrow, i think i'd DANCE!

i'm a depressive/anxiety disorder person, and i'm at the end of my rope. just hoping to hang in til monday...but i know it still won't be over.  for the last couple of years, i've been pretty non-functional anyway, and now...forget it, i barely drag out of bed every day, but i still have a family to take care of.  yes, i do have a therapist and see a psych for meds, but this is like water torture...drip...drip...drip...i can't get him out of my head.

this has gone way past what i intended...and yet there's so much more. i thank anyone who actually reads this mumbo-jumbo, and i know there's no magic bullet, i just appreciate so much being "heard" by anyone - sis and i try to support each other, and she's a blessing to me (so much like Mom).  but that's my "support system"...and i know i'm ultimately responsible for changing things with me.

i'm going to shut up, try to post this, and just wait to see what happens.  thank you all for just being here, and i'm so sorry we each have to deal with these N-monsters in our lives.  i wish you all the best.

bobbie
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« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2004, 12:00:24 AM »
not gonna do another novel, just wanted to make a quick observation, altho it pains me to say this.

many of you who read my original post (between the lines) will probably wonder about my attachment to Mom and demonizing of dad.  i know that's not realistic, and if people read between the lines, they'll probably wonder "why didn't she leave?", "why didn't she take her daughters out of that situation?"  i ask those questions, too, and think i know some of the answers, but not all.  

i know she made her choices also, and many of them were obviously unhealthy.  and sometimes i get so angry at her for not protecting sis and i, and HERSELF, i could just.....SPIT!

but i feel she gave us unconditional love, no matter what...but maybe she didn't, by not making better choices.

just wanted to say i won't be offended if anyone takes Mom to task for her part in the "dance" our family performed.  

bobbie
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2004, 12:48:46 AM »
Hi bobbie,

>>>>>edited Hope things are better for you<<<<<

allusedup is a very appropriate username. I read your whole first  post on this thread and it was readable even with my tired brain. I understand the thing about guilt. Even though Alzheimer's causes anger problems this  behavior seems way over the top somehow even though I don't have experience with this disease. Seems he needs to be in some kind of secure facility so that he won't harm anyone else.

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Thanks so much for your insight and support.
 It aided my healing. Too much of my heart
was in this post to let it remain here for posterity on the web.
The post served its purpose and now it is time to
edit it or gently take it down.
 
To every thing there is a season, and a time
to every purpose under the heaven:  Ecclesiates 3:1

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 In my opinion you have the right to tell him what you think of his behavior at an opportune moment - before his mind goes so far as to not understand you. I'd do it with a body guard though. :!:

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« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2004, 01:51:31 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2004, 02:33:18 AM »
The thing about Narcissism with or without a 2nd diease, these people NEVER get it!! They go through life thinking about only 1 thing THEMSELVES. Quit beating yourself up about what should or should not have happened that is all in the past. You have a choice everyday how YOU want to improve or stay the norm in everyday life, YOU get to choose. Interesting concept you say? I have been your mother more then once in my life time and gave "unconditionally" thinking that with that, these "MEN" would do the "movie of the week" fantasy. But one day I woke up after 6 years of therapy and countless self help books. I am 41 years old.  I realized I get to chose, I have to make the path, I get to make my life what I want it to be?! I left a 17 year marriage and a horriable relationship of 7 years with a Major N, a horrific low end job that I hated every 6 1/2 years but did it so my special needs son could get the help he needed ( he is awesome), the only home I had lived at for more then 2 years ( I move alot parents and husband liked to do that?) To finally live MY life. The key is to stop playing their game. ANY reaction is playing Their game and a NARSISSTIC will do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to get YOU to play the GAME. The BEST thing you can do is walk away and never look back. I know this is VERY difficult when it is parents and ageing ones to boot but it must be done if you want any kind of a NORMAL life for you. YOU deserve that and so does your sister and so do your kids. You have to think about yourself first and then your kids and husband. People who are not fun to be around do not deserve to be around you. I know you are thinking I can never do that I must be the serve at will daughter and follow the path my mother had ( sometimes we do that to keep the person "alive" somehow for our sanity??) Your mother made choices and I am sure that God has bestowed an extra crown for her to put up with such a horrible man for so long but let it end with her.  Life is meant to be enjoyed and you have the choice every wonderful day to let it be a positive or a negative??!! Good luck I hope for your sake you take the less traveled road and ENJOY the blessing that you have in life and take the other with a grain of salt. If your dad wants to see you let it be on your terms not his. The only way to do that is you respond to the good and walk away from the bad. That means when he gets Pissy don't argue with him get up and go home, if he is good and communicating positive then enjoy him.
NEVER EVER play the GAME. Think of him as a child ( cause that is how he has acted all of your life) This will make it easier on you. I left out one thing about myself I KNOW this works because I was raised and grew up with a very very emotionally distrubed mother Bi Polar/schitzophnia had it bad/ much like a N person. I have an ok relationship with my mom but I don't play the game anymore after many years she figured it out. She has always turned the tables on me ( I am the oldest) her the child me the mom. If she even tries to start ANYTHING I leave. I can even have a conversation with her these days and she doesn't even try anything much. Mind you I have been doing this for 20 years and about 5 years ago she got it. So it is slow but the key is to not stoop to their level. You deserve to have a good life Enjoy!

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2004, 04:57:03 AM »
What a powerful story.  I related to much of it.  I'm very sorry for your losses.  I don't have any words of wisdom for you.  I just lurk on here once in awhile.  But ... I can see much of my dad in what you described.  My parents are both healthy for now, thankfully.  But, even now, mom gets blamed for everything and has to endure outbursts.  She plays into it though.  She is not without fault.  Somehow, I think she needs to feel needed, even if its in an unhealthy way.  

I hope you find comfort here, or anywhere.

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« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2004, 10:01:46 AM »
It sounds like my father was very much like yours except mine was quite violent throughout his life.  He told my mother that if she ever left him, he'd cripple her and murder her children, she believed him, so she stayed.  She said she didn't ever tell anyone this but she told me when I confronted her about staying with him for so long, once I was an adult, in my attempt to help her escape custody.  She too was of the generation that "stayed for better or worse" plus she had a very strict religious upbringing and thought it was a sin to leave him.  Her own brother reinforced this thinking, when one time, she found the courage to try to get away.  She went back and even though I loved my uncle dearly, I was very, very angry with him for his directing her to "get back to your husband".

Until 1969, abuse was not a legal reason for divorce.  A judge would not grant a divorce (in my country) due to abuse until 1969.  By then, my mother had spent over 25 years in torment.  It's hard to make dramatic changes after such a long time, for anyone, never mind someone who lives in terror and has done, for so long.

There may be many reasons why your mom stayed and she may not have told anyone.  I say this, to help you understand other possible reasons.  There may be many more.

You are such a wonderful, loving, loyal, empathetic, giving daughter and I want you to really listen to that statement and believe it.  You have extended yourself far beyond anything you owe to your father and you showed such honour toward your mother, it brings tears to my eyes.
I am proud of the way you have acted in trying to help her through her last days and you have shown great integrity and kindness, both great qualities in any person.

I had no contact with my father for many years after my mother died.  Neither did my siblings.  Near the end of his days, a next of kin was needed to make decisions about his care and I agreed to be that, since none of my siblings would agree and because I wanted to do the right thing.  I'm not sure that my taking on that responsibility was generous.  It was more to protect my own feelings and to avoid feeling guilty for not doing it, than anything.

Your father deserves to be cared for in a safe, secure environment, where his needs will be met.  That's all.  You are not responsible for providing that care personally.  Once he is placed in the proper environment, he will adapt and probably end up enjoying it.  This is what my dad did.  He loved the attention and was seen as "a lovely elderly gentleman" who kept talking about my mother and how much he looooooooved her and that she was "a movie star" to him.  What crap!!!

My point is he was better off.  We were all better off.  There was no shame in getting him the help he needed and there is no shame, whatsoever in your doing the same thing for your father.

Getting on with your own life, (and your sis too), is the healthy thing to do now.  You can visit with him and if he becomes nasty, you can go.  You can protect your children from his abusive ways and that.......is your obligation as a parent.

I hope I have not offended you in any way by saying these things.  I want only for you to see that you have done your very best so far and that what you are thinking of doing next is the right thing to do and is the best for everyone.  There is nothing to feel guilty about.  You are a fantastic daughter that any parent could wish for and you have acted the best way you know how.  You've given enough already.  It's time to give to your own family, to your own self,  and put your dad in a place where he will receive the attention he craves and the care he needs.

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« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2004, 10:10:10 AM »
I'm the same guest as above.

When he goes for his surgery on Monday, you could make it clear to that you and sis are concerned for his well-being and that you want him placed.
He cannot manage on his own.  He is a danger due to his recent violent behaviour and you cannot cope with it.

Could they keep him in hospital until an appropriate placement can be made?
If not, can the plans for this be initiated now?
Tell them you are concerned that he could harm someone and neither of you feel safe being there alone with him.  You have your own families to care for and the stress is too much.

Best wishes to you and sis.

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« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2004, 03:24:48 PM »
Bobbie,
Well, you have sure been through a lot, you and your sister, not to mention your mother. Your responsibility lies with your husband and children, not with your father. I also think that steps should be taken to declare him incompetent - you have no choice. He has wasted his whole life and wreaked havoc with your's, your sister's, your poor mother's and others I am sure. The stage is set for him to hurt you, your sister, someone else or himself. The die has been cast.

He might do better in a structured environment where, at least the people he abuses gets paid for it. You have nothing to feel guilty about now or in the future. I have not spoken to the NQueenmother in over 3 years and I have not missed her nor felt guilty for one moment. It is a type of peace to know I am not going to be under her microscope ever again nor suffer her abuse, even though the ramifications of her torments run deep in my soul and will be there forever. Their age has nothing to do with it. While it is sad to see an old frail person with such a nasty heart, it is their choice.

I am very happy that you and your sister have each other. There are some who post here who have to take care of the elderly Nparent all alone. I would never fault your mother, things were different for her back then and she did the only thing she knew to do. I am sorry if the last sounds her earthly ears heard were from his big abusive mouth. Think of that the next time a pang of guilt or sense of obligation hits you. Your mother is at peace now and I believe you will see her again in a time of joy and love without sorrow. God bless you and good luck.

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« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2004, 12:44:47 PM »
There is a special place in Hell for people like your Nfather.

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« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2004, 02:06:40 PM »
My heart aches for you -
Huge Hugs.

Ditto to all the things the others have said.
And I'll let you know what I have just learned, in hopes that it might help you on Monday.
My dad died in June, and I am left with my 85yr old NMom.
I had to go and spend a few days with her (duty) and had just discovered this board a week ago, and was able to shore up some strength from all of us who have suffered.

One of the biggest things I learned was that the NParent feeds on any reaction to their antics and abuse.  ANY REACTION, whether Positive or Negative!  They THRIVE on our reactions.  Every other time I have been with my nM, I inevitably would end up screaming at her, and crying, just out of sheer frustration - and she loved it, would end up the poor victim and I would end up wanting to kill myself.
I just got home last night, and here is some Good News :  When I felt like I was going to tear out her eyes, I stopped myself, took a deep breath and put on my fake smile and fake sweet voice and distracted her with some trivial thing like a broken fingernail.  Not Once did I give her the satisfaction of seeing my reaction.  And, guess what?  This is the very first time I have left her house and not cried most of the 3.5 hours home.  She didn't get a chance to Feed Off Me!  She even tried fainting!  Nope, I just fixed her a bite to eat and a cup of tea, said 'there, there, momsy' and I didn't give in to her antics.  She tried lots of them, but thanks to the strength I had from everyone on this board, I didn't crumble.

All this to say:
On Monday, when you have to face Hell on Earth, think of all of us standing tall beside and behind you -
and don't give that crazy old man the satisfaction of seeing Any Negative Reaction - he can't Feed off you, then!
He is a crazy old man.  I have a crazy old woman.  
They are the crazy ones. We are not!  It just feels that way, sometimes.

I took the strength of this Board with me -
please take it with you, okay?  
and we'll be here waiting for you when you get back.

~OnlyMe

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« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2004, 09:32:51 PM »
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There is a special place in Hell for people like your Nfather.


i just had to respond to you, because this is something that (in my evil-ness) i have thought so many times...and i know dad will have LOTS of company in that special place, from reading all the posts here about others' experiences with their N's.

i truly believe my dad is already in hell, a hell he worked 84 years to create, but the weird thing is....because he feeds on others' misery, he's not even aware of where he is, or how he got there.  too bad, so sad - my obligation to myself and my family is not to allow myself to be dragged down there with him.

you've all given me incredibly supportive responses, an amazing amount of wisdom, and most importantly to me, the feeling of not being alone, and being understood and heard.  thank you all for listening to my voice, small as it is now....but it's growing louder.

i want to respond to each of you, because you all said things that really resounded with me, but i had a meltdown last night, and pounded my fist on my concrete garage floor til i left a bloodstain on the floor.  hand is swollen up today, so it's hard to type, but i will answer everyone in more detail when i can.  and yes, i know my actions were self-destructive and unhealthy, and didn't solve everything, but there were so many feelings i needed to get out, and i couldn't come up with a healthy way to do it.  think i've learned my lesson.

thank you all, i can feel your support, and i will carry you all with me tomorrow during dad's surgery - it helps so much to know you all empathize, understand, and support.

from the bottom of my heart, thank you!

bobbie

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« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2004, 09:34:47 PM »
sorry, took me so long to write the last post, plus phone call from sis to set up details for tomorrow, i got timed out.  the last post was from me, allusedup.

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« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2004, 09:49:06 PM »
Hi bobbie,
Take care of the hand and try to take some time for yuorself in the next few days. Schedule a hair appointment or massage if time and money allows. If you concentrate on ways to pamper yourself, maybe you won't have as much time to concentrate on the things to come.

Take care - our thoughts are with you. :)

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« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2004, 05:43:18 PM »
Hi Bobbie:

Sorry to hear of your frustration/anger/crappy feelings built up and the pounding of the floor thing.  I totally understand how upsetting things can be and the need to release those feelings.

A friend of mine told me to do this (description to follow) when feeling really overwhelmed and ready to burst with such feelings.  I have found this to be a good way to get them out and no blood drops/spray/pouring.

1.  Go to a private place, preferably your bedroom and shut the door.
2.  Lie on bed, face down and take a really, really deep breath, hold it to
     a count of 4 and then let it out slowly.
3.  Tense every muscle in your body (tighten the muscles up and hold).
4.  Take another big breath and scream into a pillow for as long
     as you can (often other emotions will come out too.  eg crying.
5.  Then let all of your muscles relax, every one down to your toes.
6.  Take another real deep breath in, hold counting to 4, and let out slow.
7.  Repeat a few times if necessary until you feel better.

Hope this helps a bit.