Author Topic: Shame as Humiliation  (Read 6331 times)

LilyCat

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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #45 on: July 31, 2008, 11:55:39 AM »
Hi SS,

Yes, I knew that was what you were referring to. And sadly, I was pretty sure that's what you were going to say about your parents. In no way do I /did I want to take away from what you feel and what you've had to endure; or suggest that your parents might be receptive and you should talk to them.

No, no, no. I was just making the general point. (I'm pretty sure you picked up on that.)

So glad you're reading Bradshaw. I think he's really good.

You know, years ago the Atlantic Monthy had a cover article on shame as a new and very important new focus area in psychotherapy. I wonder if it's available online. I'll check. It was a really good article.

You are doing so well -- really an inspiration for all of us.

Hugs,

LC

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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #46 on: July 31, 2008, 12:11:31 PM »
(I'm pretty sure you picked up on that.)

I sure did.  Thank you Lily Cat.

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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #47 on: July 31, 2008, 04:15:33 PM »
SS - I had an IDEA:

Something just popped into my head; might help with all those activities - and the emotions associated with them.

Because most of my "triggers" for smoking are emotional, I've been working on separating the reflex - smoking - from the emotion. Waiting 5-10 minutes from the time the emotion pops up: restlessness, boredom, anger, whatever. Then, I can smoke. It's a type of "practice" - to separate the behavior I'm trying to change from the emotion that I used to obscure with smoking.

I've also been working on refining emotional boundaries... and it just went "ding-ding-ding" in my head that part of this smoking thing is related to my not learning about boundaries properly. When you're not allowed to have boundaries from other people in your FOO, you never learn that WITHIN yourself, you need some boundaries, too. Conscious decisions about health habits - nutrition, smoking, drinking... behavioral things... because without those "inner" boundaries - anything is permitted; anything fair game.... and we learned that there was unpredictability and powerlessness in that place without boundaries... all that stuff became "beyond our control"... because we didn't know we needed to tell ourselves "no" or "this is better".

I wonder what would happen, if when the feelings come up associated with normal activities, you just gave the feelings 2-5 minutes of time BEFORE starting your chosen activity? If that would separate the feeling from the doing? Keep the feeling from intruding on the process?

Something you said about doing 1 thing... connected with me... we learned multi-tasking really, really early... because we were always trying to decode what our parents were doing, we were struggling with our feelings, and trying to fulfill those expectations - all at one time. It was too much coming at us to process it all at once. But it was familiar; what we were used to; it was also how we were vulnerable, I think.
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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2008, 10:46:17 AM »
Just thinking of you, SS.  Thank you for these profound threads.             Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #49 on: August 02, 2008, 10:37:47 AM »
I wake up in the morning and life is just too overwhelming.  I actually fear the fear.  This is a very strange place to be.  I am able to act but just a bit.  But the paralyzing factor has shifted.  It has to do with fear of the fear.  The pain of the fear and shame is SO great and has been for so long that I see now that it has actully become something of a habit - the fear comes because it has always come.

Itis easier to not move than to move and experience the fear and the pain.

One of the other things to overcome is that I am absolutely exhausted from years of fear and shame.  I want to rest.  Besides how can I make a plan - there is so much to do.  Where do I begin and then I have to deal with that wretched issue - it is never enough.

Just ranting - getting it out so I can make order.

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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2008, 03:38:30 PM »
Hey SS,

Here is something I copied for you... keep telling yourself this....

Fear is a jealous gate-keeper and he wants you staying put in your make-believe prison. That’s how he operates. He doesn’t want you to see what’s out there, what’s possible for you. He can’t keep you in there but only he knows that. He’s been holding a pair of threes while you’ve had four aces in your hand for years, but he’s bluffed you every time. Stared you down, made you believe something that wasn’t true - that what you have in your hand isn’t good enough. Well listen up…

It is good enough. You are good enough.

This is not feel-good, positive thinking mumbo jumbo, its reality. But you need to make it YOUR reality. Fear doesn’t want you making decisions, taking chances or exploring your potential because that’s where he loses his power. He doesn’t want you hanging out with those ‘positive thinking’ types and he certainly doesn’t want you paying too much attention to articles like this one.

Fear is the other side...of.....FREEDOM.....

The cards are in your hands now SS..you know the cards....call fears bluff...and just DO IT....all the way to Freedom........

Love
Deb


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Re: Shame as Humiliation
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2008, 03:40:25 PM »
Dear SS
 I understand the exhaustion.I felt that way today and then my dear friend let me cry and I cried and grieved and I felt energy come back to me.
 We have been holding SO much pain in our bodies. It hurts terribly and makes us feel hopeless.
 I am here for you, whenever you need me.          Love   Ami

(((((((((((SS))))))))))
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung