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Dr. Richard Grossman

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Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« on: July 07, 2008, 06:11:02 PM »
Hi everyone,

Here's an interesting article on depression and its relationship to neurogenesis (brain cell growth) in the Boston Globe:

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2008/07/06/head_fake/

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Richard

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2008, 07:06:38 PM »



Dr. G.

Thank the lord for Prozac, that it brought so much to the fore.  And here I thought I needed to mainline serotonin! 

Can't take Prozac in its present form, but who knows, maybe in a year that magic part of the formula that grows those neurons back may come in a form I can use.

I really liked this article.

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2008, 07:52:04 PM »
Well, this article came just in time for me!  Very interesting.  Makes a lot of sense.

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2008, 10:52:50 PM »
VERY interesting. A healing medication? Wow.

My daughter was on Prozac for a few years as a teenager. I will be interested to see what effects this may have on her brain. I hope positive.

Thank you for the heads up!

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 12:39:07 AM »



dandylife,

Yeah, longterm outcome.  Good point!

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 10:34:32 AM »
Hiya Dr. G,

Thanks for posting this one.

I find the idea that my brain cells are shrinking and dying every time I get really depressed......a little scary.  :shock: :shock:

I'm glad there are ways to regenerate those cells but I think having read this might be incentive for me to be more ......

proactive.


I do need more excercise and best get a more regular routine happening..........fatten up those brain cells!!


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if you want the drug to work for you, then you have to work for the drug.

I'd rather avoid the drugs if possible (but I'm glad they are available and that they work) and come to think of it.......walking the dog a number of times daily....seemed to help in the past.  Maybe stuff like the increased blood circulation and brain stimulation enhanced by those kinds of activities are a kind of drug too?  Another theory.

Thanks again,

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 12:53:14 PM »
If Prozac actually helps to regenerate brain cells over the long term, then why in so many people does the effect seem to "poop out" after a few months or years?   It happened to me and many others I have known.   My brother has been taking the stuff for 15 years and he acts like a zoned out addict.  If Prozac is regenerating brain cells, I would think patients would keep getting better over time, and it sure isn't what I have seen in people who have been on a long term course of anti-depressants.

 I'm glad they are looking more deeply into causes and effects, but I'm suspicious of the easy pro-drug conclusions.   

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 02:58:49 PM »
Silver lining......I am with you on being skeptical of the psyche drug phenomena. The drug companies are selling drugs, thats how they survive and I do not believe what they have to say. Once again people rely on being treated honestly by often times very dishonest people ususally people who are unaware of their dishonest to themselves.  Even if their advice seems genuine I don't believe it. I know too many examples in my personal life where these drugs just shut feelings down and make it harder or impossible to heal. IMO there may be times when a person is so distraught that for awhile it could be helpful until the intensity can be managed. I go by my own personal experience and what I see in other "drug users". I don't believe in these reports no matter how "scientific". It's about the abuse of power to keep their own traumas at bay it is not about discovering real ways to promote personal well being and the freedom that comes from this.......James

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 03:08:02 PM »


I read up on antidepressants a few years ago, having been issued with a prescription (which I binned) - as soon as I opened up to my doctor, for the first time, about my married life.  (DV)

The doctor just issues antidepressants like aspirin for a headache.

Anyhow, as with anything in life, I prefer a wide perspective, and look at each side.

This is just one of many good sites I have found ... http://www.womentowomen.com/depressionanxietyandmood/antidepressants.aspx

Love, Leah
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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 03:27:54 PM »


BOOK:   http://www.amazon.com/America-Fooled-Antidepressants-Antipsychotics-Deceived/dp/0977307506

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This book is an absolute must-read for anyone who has ever taken antidepressants or antipsychotics or for those who would consider doing so. Dr. Scott presents astonishing, well-researched information regarding mind drugs in this clearly written, easily understood book.

The author explains how Americans (both physicians and patients) have been fooled into believing the chemical imbalance theory. The book does a superb job describing the pharmaceutical companies' tactics for getting their drugs approved by the FDA and marketing them to physicians and the public....quite shocking!

Dr. Scott also does an excellent job at the end of his book informing the reader how to avoid and overcome depression without the use of psychiatric drugs. As a nurse, I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND this book to be read by all health care providers and those studying in the medical field.


In UK too.   Leah x
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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 03:51:39 PM »
Leah...I haven't read the book, but I like the title. I am curious enough to read it and to examine what this person believes to be a good therapy. I have my own method and it works, maybe they will parallel. Perhaps the biggest question is why people do this. I think I know why....... it's something I discovered in my journey. It really is about people so fearful that they will do anything in order to not feel their childhood reality......for them to maintain power in order to not feel whats inside is everything. It's just too terrifying and ends with seeking power over these feelings, in sometimes very subtle ways, even over others...James

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 09:48:10 PM »
Makes complete sense.  One chooses to have a good or bad day the moment they open their eyes in the morning....it carries over to other aspects of life and being.  I guess we just need to remember our own power that we have coming from within ourselves and believe in it, and ourselves.  That's pretty hard to do sometimes, if not impossible to keep, at times. Nogadge

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 05:37:26 PM »
This was a really fascinating article and opens up all sorts of possibilities and questions --

I'm with the drug-company-ploy gang. They own us. I work in the medical publishing industry and live in the pharmaceutical capital of the country (all the big drug co's are here). You should hear what my friend who works in one of them has to say. The big money-makers are anti-depressants and cholesterol medications ... and cholesterol hasn't even truly been linked to mortality, I believe. I once heard one of the very MDs who worked on one of the medicines sort of poo-poo the whole concept.

I think like many other things, depression is probably "overdetermined" -- that is, it has a variety of causes, and one person may need two or three solutions. The main question I have for this article is, if depression is purely neurological in nature, then why (or how?) does getting pent-up anger out relieve depression? There must be an emotional validity (source) to it.

Also, I think people forget the appropriate use of anti-depressants. They're there to help someone get up and on their feet and function when otherwise they cannot. They aren't really supposed to be used to avoid problems and issues, etc. But -- here I go!!! -- it's an INSURANCE COMPANY solution. Drugs are so much cheaper than psychotherapy. So push, push, push them. It's all an intense (economic) partnership between the drug companies and the insurance companies and probably assorted other parties.

Ok, I'll get off my soap box now...but I get so ....errr...angry! when people think there's a simple solution to all this. I say this as one who's on an antidepressant (and just upped the dose) -- but I would never substitute for confronting the emotional work I need to do.

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 11:30:02 PM »
What makes me crazy is that w/o the Rx, I have chest pain and SOB.
Same old panic disorder symptoms, but I also have a large fear of heart disease.

I don't know how to stop these symptoms. I need much more exercise but they often start when I exercise so I don't know how to stop the cycle.

Maybe they ARE cardiac.

grrr

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Re: Interesting article on depression in Boston Globe
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2008, 09:27:11 AM »
Hops, have you had them checked out? If not, please do. It's important.

For years my back pain was linked to pent-up anger (it would settle in the small of my back). One wintry day I went into my therapist and tried like the dickens to find the anger and get it out -- only to discover in the next few days that I had sprained my back. It was a valuable lesson to always get things checked out, even when you think they may be caused by emotional sources. My therapist has said the same thing.

In any case, I hope you feel better. Please take care of yourself. We all love you so here.