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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #30 on: August 08, 2008, 07:35:16 PM »
Dear Amber,


always fail, always struggle, always be powerless - but STILL expected to be the hero - so OTHER PEOPLE wouldn't feel bad.

I read this and burst into tears.........my story......my experience...

I hate the struggle with being watchful, trying to understand, I want to be, I want to be light and easy and I am so SICK of the sadness, it feels like it is neverending.  And of course I have to go into Adult and realise that it is the child who thinks it is never ending. I want to be grown up and able to take care of myself and have this all stop.

Thank you for sharing this and well done with the smoking.  It is progress to be smoke free for any length of time, well done US.

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« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2008, 09:59:10 AM »
thanks Axa... I appreciate your compassion and connection on that struggle, expectation, etc... it's something I'm trying to learn to give my SELF... it's an important skill that I need - but never learned. It's a type of multi-tasking that I have to "unlearn".

I've come to the conclusion - after even more "gravel mountain" about smoking - more 1 step forward and 2 steps back - that I've been in LIMBO. (Maybe purgatory, is a better image - 'coz it distinctly feels bad; uncomfortable.) Still chained to the old habits, routines, attitudes of the past - and still trying to mine those old wounds & emotions & memories for some magical "key" to completely set me free. And that's one thing that's getting in the way now. Like a 2-lane road, when you let something go - you have to replace the old stuff with something - not just leave another hole, a void, another emotional need... just hanging, wanting.... that only creates a new emotional need that you end up filling with the "tried & true" - but dysfunctional - methods.

The smoking support sites are very, very quick to try to "fix" someone with affirmations like "never take another puff". They are quick to encourage one to simply press on with a quit, after a slip - but without taking the time, to figure out WHAT and WHY. My slip didn't even allow that; I got angrily defensive immediately. Finally figured out that the only "process" I knew for making change was one of draconian FORCE... and my T had specifically told me not to force a quit, but she didn't explain why - and like the programmed individual I am, I didn't ASK. I don't know how to make a change from a place of COMPASSION. Someone posted - just in the nick of time - that quitting smoking is a PROCESS and that this process is unique, customized to each one of us. That helped me get to today's understanding that I need to have an intentional design, going forward.

How to provide the space within my self - the generosity, if you will - that will allow for failure while trying and learning. The understanding that I have a self-imposed limitation - that shows up as self-sabotage - when I am gaining success: this sabotage was a necessary, ego-survival based camoflauge to keep myself free from more shame or humiliation. It's no longer needed - but I haven't really decided what will REPLACE that...

Now, I can do this for other people - do it in my job, do it many other places. Just never realized that I NEED to do this for myself. Just like setting internal boundaries on my behavior - in my FOO, this wasn't important... the bits I've learned, I've picked up elsewhere... without realizing what it was. This is like an intentional personally chosen value or morality... but it's about behavior. Simple things, like brushing teeth before going to bed. Complex things, like learning that we shouldn't beat ourselves up while learning something new... that we actually learn better, with compassion and understanding when attempting to learn something difficult - or brand-new.

The other thing I've discovered, is that I must set a boundary about people who want to "help". The smoking support sites are counter-productive for me; GO FIGURE. I've made most of my progress from the support I've received here. I actually have a trigger for smoking, that comes from "experts" telling me to do this or that... that it's mind over matter... that I have to continue putting nicotine in my body to be able to quit smoking... what bullshit. I was off 3 days and it didn't bother me, after the 1st 24 hours. And since it triggers the old wound - of having emotional needs ignored in favor of a lot of unnecessary medical attention (my Mother's way of "caring" for me)... it only perpetuates the old cycle, old routines... and I always fall back on the method of "fighting back" by smoking - self-sabotage.

So I'm working on a new plan - to work with Twigs, to connect with myself and meet my inner emotional needs - doing something ELSE than letting my self rehash & relive what can't be changed. It was awful; it was abuse and sexual/physical assault; and it's 40 years too late to anything more than let go of this as a main feature in my life, consciousness, and emotional states. I have to get out of this old rut and do something NEW - something different; something that's outside of that old, uncomfortable, agonizing "comfort zone"... and keep on doing it, until the newly designed comfort zone, habits/routines, inner boundaries FEELS normal for me. But it can't be "faking it until you make it", either. That's another big trigger for me: pretending, lying, more concerned about appearances than reality.

And it can't be FORCED; I need to show myself compassion and allow the space within my own self-respect and process to screw up, make mistakes, procrastinate, feel whatever feelings I have... and keep on going. Gradually changing... and learning that it's SAFE to care about myself... and that it's SAFE to succeed. No one is going to abuse me for success anymore... I already have those boundaries in place.

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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2008, 11:08:00 AM »
I've come to the conclusion - after even more "gravel mountain" about smoking - more 1 step forward and 2 steps back - that I've been in LIMBO. (Maybe purgatory, is a better image - 'coz it distinctly feels bad; uncomfortable.) Still chained to the old habits, routines, attitudes of the past - and still trying to mine those old wounds & emotions & memories for some magical "key" to completely set me free. And that's one thing that's getting in the way now. Like a 2-lane road, when you let something go - you have to replace the old stuff with something - not just leave another hole, a void, another emotional need... just hanging, wanting.... that only creates a new emotional need that you end up filling with the "tried & true" - but dysfunctional - methods.

The smoking support sites are very, very quick to try to "fix" someone with affirmations like "never take another puff". They are quick to encourage one to simply press on with a quit, after a slip - but without taking the time, to figure out WHAT and WHY. My slip didn't even allow that; I got angrily defensive immediately. Finally figured out that the only "process" I knew for making change was one of draconian FORCE... and my T had specifically told me not to force a quit, but she didn't explain why - and like the programmed individual I am, I didn't ASK. I don't know how to make a change from a place of COMPASSION. Someone posted - just in the nick of time - that quitting smoking is a PROCESS and that this process is unique, customized to each one of us. That helped me get to today's understanding that I need to have an intentional design, going forward.


These two paragraphs are filled with so much.  Just the very thing I needed today.  I have made great strides in dealing with my fear and paralysis.  Last night I felt free but it came back again.  When I read your "one step forward and two steps backward" it really resonated with me.  Right now I have  a list of things that must be accomplished today.  These things give me a stomach ache.  Everything that must be done feels like a set up to me.  I can work to put myself in a much better psychological position.  One way I do this is visualizing myself doing these things, as the type of person who gets these things done, as a person surrounded by encouraging people.  All of these things help but I can get in a place like I am now where I hide under a shell and doing the necessary work seems insurmountable.  I feel like I have take one step forward and two backwards but I think I can use this common feeling as a sort of "new" trigger to push me forward.  I know that what has me trapped is my family experience.  The dark condemning but more powerful still - the punishment and humiliation for needing help.  That is quite cripping for me.

WHAT and WHY. The elephant in the living room for all behavior changing strategies.  The what and why have always been important for me.  But important for many and yet completely left out of the mix.  You have hit the nail on the head.  I'm going to go deal with the what and why of my present situation.  Thanks.

added later - I realize that I must move out of hiding.  For several years now I have hidden - finding a place to numb out - here and in front of the tv - anything to no "do".  Doing causes me enormous fear - unless it is structured doing like picking my son up or taking him but if there is any possibility of judgement on the other end then - the yuck figures in. 

Now I know that the 2 steps back for me are slipping into the numbing place.  I think it may be a little like the smoking place for you.  I find that working on identifying the origins of the fear of action (the humiliation and belittling condemning criticism) and counter acting them has to be right up there and I can no longer allow myself to slip into the numbing inaction. 

I think I can do it.  I have wondered why it was easier to slip into inaction when the consequences are so great but now I understand.  It does take enormous energy to fight the war of overcoming their cruelty but that is the only way out and I am willing to move in that direction.  I actually find the Olympics as a great model.  Today as I finish packing my son for his last camp and drive several hours to deliver him I will work out a plan - a schedule and work on it.  I know I can do it.  I will set it up as a training schedule - my Olympic training schedule.
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2008, 02:10:06 PM »
It's interesting that you bring up the Olympics.

I was NOT going to go sleep until until I'd seen all the opening ceremonies, because I knew there was a tai chi demonstration in it. I've taken seminars with the master who developed the form and helped train the 2008 tai chi players for that performance. The reason, I think, 2008 people people can move simultaneously with such precision and maintain the relative position of their own bodies with those of others to form that circle the announcers were in awe of...

is because of intention: in tai chi, intent is desire (heart) combined with mind (action, process) to perform an action. There is no thought to the outcome, reward/punishment, judgement or opinion - the action itself is it's own reward. (It's the journey, not the destination...)

Intention is the most powerful energy in tai chi - and involves almost every other type of energy. Because each performer cared very much about the overall performance's success - they were ABLE TO DO what needed to be done to make it reality. That caring and hours of practice...  (LOL!!)  Your compassion thread has been germinating in me, for a while... and I now realize that compassion for ourselves as we begin to step outside our box... to try something new and different - w/o the old feelings - is absolutely necessary. Caring about ourselves - the same way we care about others. It's helping me a great deal... to relieve some of the pressure; to understand that I can't just flip a switch to change 40 years of habit, routine... expectation of punishment. But it IS still changing.

At the very end of their performance - I noticed that people turned toward each other and performed what we call partner work - it was just a blink of an eye and easy to miss - but it took my breath away that it all happened at the same time and the rhythm wasn't broken by it at all. 1004 pairs of individuals executing a movement without breaking the rhythm... it still gives me goosebumps.
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2008, 01:23:10 AM »
That is fascinating!  2008 people, 1004 partners.  Intention.  No judgement. 

I can't flip a switch but I have been understanding that each incident of change was a beginning. So I have "intentionally" grown these new thoughts, these periods free of fear and anxiety, believing that as these grow the other will diminish.  Days like yesterday and today when I am sitting long hours with little to do other than drive I work especially hard at consciously, intentionally keeping my mind on my biggest blocks and my greatest fears and practise moving out of fear into hope and compassion. 

The more often I do this and the longer I practise this the stronger I get.  I feel much stronger and my confidence is growing.  I am actually believing that I will soon have the courage to face my financial disasters.  I see that it is all a matter of my psychological state and I am learning ways to conquer the darkness.

I'm going back to Dyer's book on Intention.  I liked that one.  I recently reread Inspiration and find it doesn't speak to me as much but Intention might.

If you have any interest, I would love to read more about your work or your thoughts on intention.  I knew the second I saw this where I must put my focus now.  Thank you.

Years ago I took tai chi.  I loved it.  I so hope to find the right opportunities again before too long.  B/c my son is taking martial arts I hope to start that at his dojo this fall.  It is a substitute for tai chi - not my first choice but practicalities sort of dictate that for now.


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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2008, 10:38:24 AM »
Good to hear from you, SS! I'm glad things are progressing positively.

I've found the last "boulder" on my path - and dynamited it this morning. Or maybe it was just worn away by wind, sunshine, temperature and water... at any rate: it's no longer a boulder - just a pebble - and it's no longer in my way. This is going to be a LONG post, I think....

I started to post late yesterday, but got interrupted (par for the course; faculty are due back on Friday and some are already working). It's good that I had more time before posting... as I've more completely digested what's going on... it'll be more coherent and simpler.

It just popped into my mind yesterday - on a smoke break, no less - that the reason I've been stuck rehashing all the old pain... the reason I can't "let go" - of smoking or my "process" was lack of forgiveness. For sake of understanding my use of the word and concept of forgiveness - I'm going to accept everyone's ideas about what forgiveness is - as I explain. They are ALL correct.

This all started when I stumbled across a book - really a CD book - by a psychologist/mindfulness buddhist, that I met during a meditation retreat many years ago: Tara Brach. The book is "Radical Self-Acceptance". Just couldn't get this idea out of my head... what does Radical Self-Acceptance MEAN?  What is the process? What's involved? I think this is what prompted the connection or association of self-acceptance, reintegration, and forgiveness for me. Until I've forgiven - how can I say I truly accept myself?

So - this lead me to understand that despite all my progress, I'm flat-out still trying to hold my mom responsible for ME - the way I am. I am still blaming her for the emotional abuse - and consequent pain and lack of basic learning about being a person - for forcing me to abandon Twiggy... for all of Twiggy's Tale of Woe. It is this wish to blame her - that was the boulder in my path. That wish to hold her responsible for ME and how I "turned out"... contains resentment, anger, sorrow, loss, grief, and more pain than any one person should be expected to bear.

At 12-13, I simply wasn't old enough, mature enough, hadn't had enough "good" parenting... to know HOW to forgive and I simply couldn't bear the pain - ALONE. My mother reinforced for me, that whatever was painful was always someone else's fault - there was always someone to blame. And Twiggy's wail - unceasing - was that what happened to her wasn't HER FAULT... so it had to be someone's, ya know? I was locked in the dance of "who to blame" - mother or myself - and dancing in circles: going NO WHERE.

Well. I did have scraps of help... substitute moms... concerned teachers... all along the way. And then there was my SELF. I was born with an innate ability to love others - my grandma called it "maternal instinct". I knew what this felt like - to love someone. Ruth was teaching me that it was normal and FINE to love myself - to care about myself - when that was interrupted.

So I loved... and sacrificed... and loved some more... and when I could no longer pretend or believe that the reason my parents didn't love me; that I didn't matter to them (let me recount the ways they proved this to me...) I began to believe that it was MY FAULT; that there was something wrong with me... that they didn't love me. After the "split"... of Twiggy's memories, her tale of woe, and her feelings... I forgot that I was able to love my self - even if no one else loved me. Twiggy's tale was a huge secret - buried along with immense pain - in my unconscious... for about 40 years. But within this secret - was a secret knowledge that Twiggy had - and I don't really know where it came from, but Twiggy KNEW.

That secret was that love was so HUGE, so POWERFUL, that it could absorb any and all pain, shame, humiliation, anger, rage, etc. and still love. That kind of love contains forgiveness, as well. For my mother - who to this day, has no idea that what she did was "bad"; who was so empty and soul-less, that she trained me to mother her...

... and more importantly, forgiveness for myself - for the fear of abuse, that kept me from remembering Twiggy's tale... for remembering her secret within a secret... for smoking to console myself - to physically remove myself from my mom's presence to give myself the SPACE to love myself... comfort myself... and smoking to remind myself that no matter what I did - never mind, who I was - I couldn't make my parents love me; I didn't matter to them. It was a harsh realization for a 12 yr old... it was un-natural... a bitter pill that couldn't be swallowed, much less digested or understood.... I couldn't understand BECAUSE I knew what love was - and they didn't. I couldn't know then, that there are people like this. I couldn't believe that mothers could eat their own children - devouring them emotionally - like this. So I blamed myself....

"Twiggy" has been growing up. I've shown her what forgiveness is... and how it can help her. Finally!! DUH! And I've acknowledged her "secret within a secret" and I'm still very much in awe of her knowledge of this... I don't know HOW she could've ever learned this, given her life before "losing her". She had the answer ALL ALONG... and I was too distracted by "gory details" to even SEE it...

... Twiggy forgives me...

and now, everything is settling into new patterns... new places... and REALITY is that my parents didn't/don't love me - and that's OK. I have enough love within... to cancel that out; to bear it:

mingling YIN...
with YANG...

and creating Tai-Chi (the Tao/Harmony)
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2008, 01:37:36 PM »
That wish to hold her responsible for ME and how I "turned out"... contains resentment, anger, sorrow, loss, grief, and more pain than any one person should be expected to bear.

I have come to believe that you are describing a process or a step in a process that cannot be skipped.  I think we must blame the person/people who cause us the great harm,  we must transfer the blame/responsibility off of ourselves, which we took on as children, and onto those who caused the harm.  And then at some point, as you have so eloquently written, that becomes a block.  I think it is a block because when it is the "other" person we have no control.  But what you are describing is a step in which you are now taking control back from that woman.  You are now in a place in which you can take that control back.

I had a very good day yesterday moving out of anxiety, shame, fear.  Not so today.  But this is part of the struggle - facing and overcoming.  I am not dejected.  I think I am overcoming what I have been referring to as the secondary fear - the fear of facing the fear or the fear of the results of the fear.  I will over come this and that will bring the freedom. I will continue to "exercise" my mind and putting myself in a place of courage and compassion.

Thanks for your writing.  It continues to help me and to give me comfort.

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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2008, 02:37:22 PM »
Yes, it is a step... blaming the "other" and not accepting the blame... is a stepping stone to realizing that we need to forgive ourselves... as well as the "other"... to be free. This isn't the same as letting someone off the hook; not having healthy boundaries... and it isn't another way to blame ourselves, either. When we feel - for years - that we "deserve" whatever... we are blaming ourselves. We need to forgive ourselves for that mistaken belief... FIRST. Then it becomes possible to entertain the possibility of forgiving the other.

FEAR.... that's another toughie!

One thing that helped me is knowing what I fear ahead of time - going on & doing something anyway - and then evaluate: did the thing feared actualize itself? (In my case - was anyone abusing me for not smoking 3 days?? ONLY myself... out sheer force of habit.)

But you've got a system that seems to be working really well... your progress is amazing!
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2008, 04:50:34 PM »
I'm working out "my system" as I go.  But it is an amalgam ofwhat I have read of others - the things that resonate with me.  I have more to say and may come back and do that.

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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2008, 08:11:40 PM »
Amber,

I am so tired but I was just reading this thread and I had to post to you.  I have been thinking a lot about "blaming" it has been the "other" or myself, back and forth like a tennis game.  I thought if I stopped blaming what would happen.  Forget about NMom, nothing can change that, forget about XN I was lucky I got away and where did this leave me.... the big challenge forget about blaming me for being so stupid as to listen to crazy people telling me I meant something to them when their behaviour shouted the opposite.  What happens now, no one to blame.  I think I start to feel a little fuller!  not much else to say about this right now.

I wrote something the other day about a specific situation "They think if the others would go away then everything would be ok"  Ah moment.........this is what I thought.  If NMom, XN and all the others disappeared I would still be left with me and that is the challenge.  What to do with me who finds it so hard to bear her anger, meanness, love, fun, the list is endless.  Maybe its time to meet me, warts and all!

I have not smoked for some days now, maybe more than a week, I lost count, just wanted to tell you that.

well done, following your journey, don't always have time to write but hanging on in here with you


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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2008, 09:59:01 AM »
Thanks, Axa... SS... I'm looking forward to your observations!

Things are settling... and this a.m. I'm in a mystical, philosophical place with myself. Fuller - as Axa said - "bigger", in some way I can't define.
It feels like my very molecules are changing... transforming...

the questions I'm asking now only have emotions as answers.

Axa: one question I asked was about "self"... and it might shine some light on what happens when you can stop blaming the Ns and yourself... even if just for a minute or two.

... which is more ME: the personality that developed in response to abuse in my environment or this tiny, flicker of flame of BEING that can't be told what to think and feel? Can't be told what to BE?

... and if I'm the flame - then there's no reason to cling, be attached to any specific elements of personality... they are temporary, stuck-on stuff, and can be let go - if there is no usefulness to them, right? The flame has the power of intention, choice, and will.

Fire is actually a positive element... in that it allows seeds long buried, to germinate and green up and grow anew.
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2008, 10:50:26 AM »
Yes Phoenix - you've got it - the power is in the flame - it is the you.  Way to go.
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2008, 11:14:39 AM »

  I just want to say that this thread feels more in tune with what I was looking for when I first started lurking.  It feels safe, somehow.  It helps with my grieving my mom's death.  I have so much of my story within me, but I'm not available to type it all out right now.  I was so moved, that again, I need to say thank you to those of you who have written.

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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2008, 12:45:55 PM »
You're very welcome for any help you find here, Cats Paw.

Wish I could wrap my arms around you and rock you until you pass from grief into comfort!



SS - I'll have to tell you the story of the book I made. It's a handmade book and I printed all the pages myself. There are a series of small diamond images with a figure - and the flame sometimes emanates from the figure - sometimes surrounds it. Each is a separate symbol of a stage in a process. These images act as chapter markers and compliment the main illustrations... which peek through die-cuts and transparent overlays and some foldout or have images on the back. Combination of etching, drypoint, lithography. I made 3 books. I have 2 daughters.

That was one of my last major art projects at school; summer 1987. I intended to also typeset words - but didn't know what the words would be... just a general feeling-idea. Towards the end of therapy, I realized that I DID have words and I showed the book to my T, explaining the general concept behind all the images...

her response was that I'd been doing therapy for quite a long time, through my art... and that I need to finish the book. The "story" of the book is transformation.

I would like very much for the words to be poetry - and I'm no poet. The images are very strong - except for the main image, which is repeated in different sizes... this image is a circle... and within the circle is the nude figure of a woman, wrapped up and floating in long, long hair. This is a very soft image; drypoint.

Which brings me to my dream, this morning:

I was in a restaurant. Across the room I noticed a group of figures that were on the table - two women and countless children, all piled up comfortably on top of the women - in arms, laps, and on each other. All naked as cherubim. I was awestruck, in one of those creative trances, when I'm seeing this tableau on a large, square canvas... cropping the image in my mind...already working out the composition of a painting.

Then, a John Brown type figure and a hag of a woman come screaming across the room, aimed at these people... yelling "sinners" - Abomination - how dare you defile this place - and he's swinging a staff with intent to injure... harm...raining down judgement on these innocents... I felt these people were the ones "out of order" in that situation... that they were ones being indecent... the rest of the diners had been appreciating the tableau, as much as I was.

and I woke up. I can still see the major elements of the image of that pile of "mothers & children"... still feel the general peace, love, and acceptance that radiated from them, of my first impression of the tableau... still thinking about what size the canvas should be, to be able to accurately paint the expressions of each individual...

... still wondering whether a real painting of this image would get me on the "Jesse Helms' " unacceptable artist list...
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Re: PTSD: reintegration of split self
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2008, 01:07:13 PM »
Grew up trying to meet the John Brown mores - resenting the cherubim tableau for their freedom and their comfort and their acceptance.  That is my tension.

Want to move into sorrow for the Helms crew even thought they are filled with shaming and dark stuff.  I don't want to retaliate but to move out of their way and return sorrow for rage.  I must stay within compassion to heal.