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Do Ns get better with time?
« on: September 07, 2004, 01:45:19 PM »
Does anyone know of any NPDers or narcissists that got better as they aged and matured?

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Do Ns get better with time?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2004, 02:09:12 PM »
No, they only get worst over time because it is more years they have been used to being sick, so it is harder to heal.  Some will say that the reduced energy level will cause them to mellow out.  But, i doubt they are genuine and all better.

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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2004, 02:46:00 PM »
I've seen them get worse with age. I have seen none of them get better.

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2004, 04:14:20 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2004, 06:49:22 PM »
My two cents,

My NDad uses illness now to procure supply.  He's really good at it.  He oculdn't care less about anyone else's health.

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« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2004, 06:51:54 PM »
I would imagine that it depnds on the severity of the N.
My H was/is a mild N. (maybe not full on NPD, but definitely posessing some tendencies). I have seen him as very emotionally manipulative and abusive.  I left him for a while, and came back to him. He has been much less narcissistic since I have been back. He has actually been delightful, and thoughtful.  Ofcourse I have yet to see if this will last.  It appears it might. But we who deal with Ns know that only time will tell.  I have heard of men joining abuser programs and such... So, I suppose people can change.  Usually, I think it requires a lot of effort on their part.

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« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2004, 07:17:49 PM »
No, they definetly don't get better.  As they get older, they become closer to death, which is terrifying to them.  It's the one thing they know they can't control.  My father is like a snowball going downhill gathering mega speed.  He's lying and becoming violent.  It's a very difficult thing to accept and understand, but the sooner you do, the better for you. Best of luck.    Dinny

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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2004, 07:45:14 PM »
NPD is described in pysch. texts as an extremely rigid disorder, that is very difficult to correct.  

I don't know about someone with N traits as opposed to full blow NPD, as someone else mentioned was the case for them.  My X was also the same (N traits, not full blown).

Maybe those with N traits only, can come into realization that might make it easier for someone to broach the subject with them, and lead to healing, with age.  I have no idea, though.  

But I don't think that anyone with a major personality disorder such as full blown NPD or BPD, just naturally get better over time without any intervention/help (and many times not even with attempted help).

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« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2004, 09:37:51 PM »
No   they just get better at lying until they don't even know what the truth is anymore

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« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2004, 11:46:16 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2004, 03:47:21 PM »
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I would imagine that it depnds on the severity of the N.
My H was/is a mild N. (maybe not full on NPD, but definitely posessing some tendencies). I have seen him as very emotionally manipulative and abusive.  I left him for a while, and came back to him. He has been much less narcissistic since I have been back. He has actually been delightful, and thoughtful.  Ofcourse I have yet to see if this will last.  It appears it might. But we who deal with Ns know that only time will tell.  I have heard of men joining abuser programs and such... So, I suppose people can change.  Usually, I think it requires a lot of effort on their part.


I'd like to hear more about your story...it sounds a lot like mine.  My ex had definite narcissistic tendencies, but it seems he has healed with the help of his new wife and first child.  He is ecastic about the birth of his first baby, and I have heard that having a child assuages their fear of abandonment.

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« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2004, 11:18:22 AM »
Hello everyone,

I have been married for 2 1/2 years, to a man who has increasingly been displaying N tendencies, but I would be hard pressed to categorize him as having full blown NPD.  I have been daunted many times in what I've read on this condition, in that a marriage to someone with NPD is not possible, that in order to survive I must get out.  Yet, I have been encouraged by a couple of posts in this particular thread, by wives who have husbands with mere tendencies and not the the full blown NPD.  Would those of you who are married to someone with mere tendencies and not full blown NPD, please post and share your lives please.  I do not want to end my relationship with my husband.  I want to be able to present this to him and give him the choice to try and do what he can in correcting his poor behaviour.  If he chooses to not change and continues to get progressively worse, then I will call it the end, but not before I have given him a fair shake on this whole matter.  

Thank you!
Sue
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« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2004, 11:26:00 AM »
Susannah,

Your best bet is couples therapy with a smart therapist. Let the therapist tell him the painful things. If you tell him, he will likely ignore you or get defensive and nothing constructive will come out of it. I think a therapist is needed here; in my experience it makes a big difference.

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« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2004, 11:35:14 AM »
Thank you Bunny.  We will be having a small road trip this next Tuesday and I will approach him with a highlight of what I've discovered, with an ultimatum to seek help or face the breakup of our marriage.  I HATE being a toughlove person, but don't want to let this go on forever.  

~~Susannah

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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2004, 12:09:19 PM »
Susanna, and Guest40 (as I am the guest who you copied and wanted to hear more about)

Susanna,
I can identify with a strong desire to save the relationship.
For the first two years of my marriage (which were characterized by good times and really really sucky times) I sacraficed my physical and mental health because I believed my husband could change.  I still believe husbands with N tendencies can change, and that it depends on the severity of the Narcissism.

First, please, please, please, be sure that you have a lot of support outside of your marriage! Tell good friends who will listen and offer support for whatever you decide.  Don't be silent. Don't worry about his reputation. They are your support network. N's can keep you from having support if you worry about their reputation.  If he ruins his reputation by the things he does or says to you, it's his own fault, and he must suffer the consequences.  The more friends you can trust with this (and perhaps even your own therapist, seperate from the marriage counselor) the chances of him making you crazy decrease. Also, no matter what he tells you, spend lots of time with friends and family, away from him. They are your connection to reality.  You can have fun with friends who don't know about his behavior, and those who do. Do things that help you feel self-actualized, and raise your self-esteem.  Nothing sucks away your self-esteem faster than a N tendencies.  
Relationships with N tendencies can also have abusive tendencies.  

I read in your post that you want to present this all to him honestly.  That's a good approach.  Always be honest.  (unless you are afraid for your safety, then please make yourself safe)  Also, get a counselor who understands narcissistic tendencies, and you will probably need to go to a man.  Chances of him lisetening to a woman are slim.
Marriage counseling was pretty ineffective for us. So be prepared for it not to work.  It will depend on how open he is to seeing his faults... He will probably do a good bit of blaming you for them.

If marriage counseling doesn't help, be sure to be in therapy yourself. I learned bunches of ways to ignore (and stop enforcing) bad behavior, and to reinforce good behavior.   Also read books like, "the Solo Partner" and "Why does he Do that: Inside the minds of Angry Abusive men" by Lundy Bancroft, and bell hooks, "All About Love." I also read, "The Verbally Abusive Relationship" and "The Emotionally Abusive Relationship"  These helped me to articulate what was happening, and validated my experience... That was important.  
If you are going to stay, the big thing will be setting rigid boundaries, and not budging. ie: If you treat me like... I will not...

I am in year three of my marriage.  The first two years were very difficult because I was removed from my support system, and he was my link to reality (well, a sad version of reality).  For two years, I became depressed.  I was really confused because he said he loved me and he behaved otherwise.  Nothing was "severe" (although now that I look back on it with a healthy mindset I think it was "severe"). But then, I denied to myself that I was being abused and I thought it was my fault and my job to change things.  I thought I would leave if it got "bad."  (and I did leave).  Leaving was vital to my health.  I needed to be away from him and surrouned by support in order to climb out of the hole.  Then, I went back with stronger boundaries, and healthy minset.  I contined to increase my own circle of support and my life outside of him (no matter how he complained).  
He has been much nicer and more sensitive in the 4 months I have been back. However he still has tendencies toward triangulation... (they are just not as severe as they used to be)  So, my marriage is still a tightrope.  But I feel I can walk it. Because I have seen improvement, and I have a lot of support and help.  Now, with a clear mind, I look back on the past two years (which took such a toll on my health) and I wish I could go back in time and kidnap myself.  
I do love my husband.  He can be wonderful. But nothing is worth the sacrafices I have made for this marriage.  And yet I remain married to him.  I continue to walk the tightrope.  It is hard.  I continue to believe that he is changing and will change.  Sometimes what happens to people, (like being left by a wife) makes them think (if they are not full on NPD).  

Best to you Susanna... I would write more about my story, but I am trying to pump out some final papers.  It is hard to know what to say without knowing the particulars, so this advice comes from my experience.
Peace, jenny