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Re: Needing Some advice
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2008, 01:19:26 PM »
Hi Tayana,

How about couples therapy?  But, I think you wrote that you both went to your T?

Sorry to say it, but agree that Beth may be right as far as trading in your NM for someone almost as difficult.  My fear of doing that has left me gun shy with relationships.  I'm afraid of getting involved with an N.  But, maybe she isn't an N?

I think working with your T on all these issues is a good way to go.  Try to get some rest.

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2008, 01:22:59 PM »
Ann, I don't think she is an N.   She is very controlling, emotionally needy, and overbearing.  I do see a lot of BPD traits.  She has her little rageful moments, and then she goes back to being sweet.  I'm just not sure I can handle the ups and downs.
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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2008, 01:24:20 PM »
I sort of feel the same.  Deep down, that is what I want.  I just feel bad for asking.  I thought about looking for a retreat or something that I could just get away for a few days, just to see how she would react.  The relationship has moved faster than I'm really comfortable with.  I've really been pushed along, and I don't like it.

She even wrote my parents a letter, without telling me, explaining why I was NC.  I'm starting to doubt some of the things she tells me.

Yet, she just tells me I like everything my way and have no idea what compromise is.


Talk to your T about this stuff & see if you can reach a conclusion about your relationship.

Please be careful about the 700 mile away friend.  We don't want to jump from frying pan into fire.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2008, 01:27:31 PM »
Sorry to hear about potential BPD because dealing w/ a BPD can be exhausting.

Hope your T can guide you as to how to deal with her.  Please take care of yourself.

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2008, 04:56:36 PM »
((((((((((((((((Tay)))))))))))))

You are such a great person. Just ask yourself if this is want you want, really want, as a longterm relationship for your life. We only get to do this all once, and we need to be happy while doing it.

It is great that you are sorting things out and taking care of the situation before it goes too far. I think you will be able to handle everything once you make up your mind what exactly you want and are willing to deal with.

Love, Beth
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2008, 06:12:36 PM »
Oh Tay,
I am afraid you traded your Nm for someone almost as difficult. And it must have been hard to see because you were feeling accepted and loved (although the love may have come more from your side and through rose-colored glasses). When I said take a break - I meant a REAL break. I mean to separate for a while and get a look at things. I know this would be a rejection of sorts, but you need to get a clear mind about the situation. Your relationship sounds too much like the N relationships described on this board. She is VERY controlling and chooses to act in a way that is detrimental to building the healthy life you set out to have.
It would not be a bad idea to consider being single again. The relationship has moved VERY fast, I think. With my husband, we did not enmesh ourselves so fully for quite a while. And we were cheery in the beginning - it was only later that we needed to start working out how our house would be. I have read that relationships that are healthy and happy often start out easy and loving.
I hope this isn't too harsh, but I really care about you and want to see you and M happy.
Love,
Beth


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« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2008, 07:22:17 PM »
Tayana,

I just wanted to say that as we recover & make our way out of Ndom, there are bumps in the road and unfortunately, we usually don't walk a straight line to a healed, happy & healthy life.  It's a journey & a process.

You have come soooooooooo far and grown soooooooo much & just I want to applaud you for that.   :D  So, no matter how it turns out with your partner, I hope you celebrate your own growth and are kind to yourself.

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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2008, 07:36:11 PM »
It's a journey & a process.




It sure is, Ann.  I have so much damage in myself before I can even negotiate  a relationship.                           Ami
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« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2008, 10:22:38 AM »
Oh Tay... I got really busy and had to go deal; didn't want you to think I just ran off!

I can so totally relate to this:

Usually she would get upset when I wanted to do house stuff, and then she would fill our weekends up, so I never had time to get caught up.    My hubby does exactly the same thing to me - EVERY weekend. I guess I need to "just say no" and do what's important to me, more of the time.

As I read further about the situation: how in the world are you expected to keep things "picture perfect" with 3 dogs (much less more... untrained... potentially dangerous)??? I have 3 cats & a dog and it's a constant battle to just keep the floors clean!

And I also see the BPD behaviors... that rang a big loud bell with me. Make your life miserable, blame you for it, then weep and whine out of fear that you'll leave her/abandon her. That's a no-win situation, in my book. You're being manipulated again.

Hops' points - while brief - had a ton of good advice there. The only thing I'd suggest - if someone already hasn't - is that you lay out the situation for your T just the way you have for us, and start working through what YOU want in all this and what that might mean. I don't think you're the bad guy in this story, AT ALL.
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2008, 01:04:24 PM »
Tayana - you are getting a lot of support here.  That makes me so happy and it feels good to me to see a group rally behind you or anyone of us.  I think that the chaos she is creating makes it difficult for you to step back and gain some objectivity.  She is creating chaos and just when you try to do something about it she blames you and your old stuff (I still do this) gets triggered and you buy into her criticism of you.

I am most worried that you have gotten in a place where your main concern is about her welfare rather than your own and your son's.  She has gotten you all twisted up that way.  I know b/c I have lived it as well.  That is why I am so glad you have this place where people do care about you and are able to support and encourage you.

I know you are terribly concerned about her well being but you cannot sacrifice yourself and your son b/c of her.  you just can't.

Thinking of you - GS

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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2008, 10:49:10 AM »
Sorry, I was unable to reply yesterday.  I had the day off, and didn't want to post while H was around.

I am back at work today, my refuge, where it's quiet and no one makes comments about the piles on my desk.

Ann, thanks for your support.  She is supposed to go to my next appointment with T with me.  I'm sure that will be a wonderful time, since she always takes over the session and tells my T all of my faults.

Amber, my evenings go something like this.  Get home from work, fix something for dinner.  Shuttle M whereever he needs to go.  Come home, clean up Pee and poo from the puppies, put the soiled towels in the washer.  Vacuum the carpet, shampoo if the pee and poo is on the carpet, sweep the kitchen, mop if there's time, do the dishes and wipe down the counter, put more laundry in the washer, hopefully clothes so I have something to wear to work.  Pick all of the stuff that has accumulated on the kitchen counters and table.  Pick up the living room.  Tote the dirty clothes downstairs.  Cringe at the dirt on my bathroom counter, and try to remember to bring cleaner with me so I can wipe it off.  Finally get a shower.  Sit on the couch and check email.  H comes home, watch TV and snuggle.  Go to bed, usually exhausted, often can't sleep.  Listen to H complain about how tired she is and how she isn't getting enough rest.  Listen to H complain about the kids she watches and her other job.  LIsten to her complain about the dogs, the rescue, or whatever.  Listen to her relate projects that need to be finished (i.e. I need to finish).  Get up the next day and do it all over again.  Work is my refuge, really.

I tried to tell her that I felt like I had no time to do things I enjoyed anymore.  My weekends were jampacked.  Anytime I tried to write, knit or anything at home, H pouted and had some comment about how she wanted to cuddle.  So my office is still a mess.  A huge dog crate takes up half of it.  I never get to work on it, because I'm trying to just keep up with the minimum.  M has to help me with all of the animals, because otherwise the house would reek.  H was upset when I bought a really good vacuum, but we needed it just to get the dog hair up.

She told me the other day during our fight that she always did all of the work around the house, and she finally just quit, because I wasn't doing anything at all.  I started thinking about that.  I've always done all of the yard work.  She has allergies and yard work makes her sick.  So during the summer, I spent evenings mowing.  I usually fixed dinner, something more than microwave meals and canned veggies.  I cleaned up the dinner dishes.  I'm the one who usually vacuums, dusts, etc.  Sometimes she picks things up.  I clean the bathrooms because she gags trying to do it.  When I stopped to think about what she does, the most I could come up with was laundry.  She's ruined a lot of my work clothes by putting them in the dryer, but I didn't say anything because laundry was about the only thing she did.  M and I take care of the animals.  M helps do the cleaning.  H's sole contribution to the upkeep is the occasional wild hair she gets because something has been messed up too long.  She always complains about everyone not putting things back where they belong, but she is the worst offender of this.  I can't count how many times I've been in the middle of something and stopped because she needed help, only to end up doing the majority of the project, while she snapped at me how to do it better, faster, etc.  Funny thing is, some of the things she complains about me doing, she turns around and does herself.  Then she will complain if I don't ask her for help, even though she'd just snapped at me for asking for help, so I just resolve to do things on my own.

I'm sure eventually, something will come to a head.  Deep down I really wants some space.  She wants me to go visit her family with her over Christmas.  I don't really want to go.  I like her family, but I can't really afford the trip, and Christmas isn't really my thing and I now have an enormous tax bill to pay at the end of the year.  I don't know where I'm going to come up with the money for that.  She says to use my income tax refund for it, but I'd already decided to use that to pay off some bills.  I have not yet told her I can't really afford the trip, because I know she'll be hurt.  She's been asssuming I"m going to go.
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2008, 11:34:57 AM »
Wowser, Tay!

You sound exhausted & joyless.

Don't allow her to 'take over' your next therapy session.  And, maybe you need a session alone with your T?

Do you think you could use some work on being assertive & enforcing your boundaries?

IMO, the dog crate in your office is both an actual & metaphorical example of how you are not asserting your boundaries.  The crate is taking up both your physical & mental space. 

It's a process & a journey.

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2008, 12:01:17 PM »
Second Wowser here, too...  :(

you're carrying MORE than your share of the household duties, you don't have time/space to participate in the rescue, and it sounds like you're carrying more than your share of the relationship, too.

This reality isn't quite what you were expecting. (sigh.... I remember the expectations, sweetie; here's a days worth of hugs for you)

I hope that the session together with your T is fruitful. You shouldn't have to sell yourself into cinderella-hood for a relationship - and then take the constant blame for all the things that make H unhappy, on top of it. If I've learned only one amazing fact on my journey....

it's that what we DO doesn't MAKE anyone else feel anything and a constant blame game isn't a relationship. But yeah - you know that already. Question is, I guess - what do you want - and it sounds like you're already working on the answer.

The silver-lining in all this, is that you're able to see most of the situation for what it is, yourself. You've already healed that much.
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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2008, 12:26:28 PM »
H keeps saying we need to make a chart for household duties.  I can't even remember to update the chart we made for M.  I think it's rather obvious that the counters in the bathroom need to wiped off and the toilets cleaned, but apparently, it's not.

I really, really want to put that crate in the basement.  I don't like it in my office.  When the puppies are in it, it smells awful.  I end up scrubbing and scrubbing it.

I even told H at one point that I didn't think the relationship was working.  First she was mad and said she would tell the kids' mom she couldn't watch them anymore and find somewhere else to live.  I haven't figured out she would do that part since she has no job or income.  After that, then she started begging me not to leave her and telling me how much she loves me.

I've been to my T the last couple of times alone.  I'm thinking this time, all three of us should go.

She asked me yesterday what I had decided to do about the child support.  I told her I didn't know.  I hadn't had time to think about it.  It was the truth.  I spent most of yesterday, cleaning up after the dogs, working on a webpage for the rescue, transporting dogs, etc.  Then it was time to shuttle M to Tae Kwon Do and go pick up supplies.  When I got home, we had to clean the puppy pen and clean up the house a little.  I couldn't stand looking at the mess any longer.  M was up late cleaning the puppy pen.  He did a great job.  H yelled at him for being up late, even though I told her it was my fault for not watching the time while he was cleaning the pen.  Then this morning, she was yelling at him for leaving things out where the dogs could get to them and eat them.  They eat things off the shelves in his room.  There was nothing on his floor last night.  I looked.  She said nothing about the blanket or the jacket the dogs ate.  APparently, those things don't count when the dogs get sick.  They belong to me.
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« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2008, 12:26:55 PM »
it's that what we DO doesn't MAKE anyone else feel anything and a constant blame game isn't a relationship.
Amen!  We've been brainwashed to believe what WE do makes OTHERS feel bad.  No, no, no.  We don't MAKE others feel anything.  They feel what THEY feel.  Right!!!!!

Question is, I guess - what do you want -
Amen!  Sometimes, I find it hard to figure out WHAT I want.  Didn't think that would be hard to do, but somxs, it is.  Maybe it's hard because "you can't always get what ya want, but if ya try somexs, ya find, ya get what ya need".  

So, for me, maybe it's somxs hard to figure out what I want because I KNOW/ASSUME I can't/won't get it.  Which leads me to another thought..........in relationships, maybe we know/assume that we can't/won't get what we want from the other person, so, we may feel that (a) we don't KNOW what we want or (b) we give up wanting what we want because we know/assume that the other person can't/won't give it to us.  

So...........if we know/assume that the other person can't/won't give us what we want, we (a) accept the relationship as it is, or (b) keep trying to get the other person to give us what we want {may be futile}, or (c) we change the relationship or, (d) we end the relationship.

ramble, ramble.

xox,
ann