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Discounted Girl

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« on: September 14, 2004, 12:48:53 PM »
I want to share something I read yesterday with you. It relates to the destructive effect of stress on our bodies as well as our minds. I have been under stress most of my life with this trying to "prove I'm good enough" thing and I have long felt it had taken or would eventually take a toll on more than just my mind. Anxiousness, nervousness, having unnatural fears and depression are not good.

The "fight or flight" process was not designed to last very long and be turned on constantly. I'm going to quote from the link at the bottom what happens to us during the "fight or flight" process.

"The destructive side of cortisol. In its normal function, cortisol helps us meet these challenges by converting proteins into energy, releasing glycogen and counteracting inflammation. For a short time, that's OK. But at sustained high levels, cortisol gradually tears your body down.
Sustained elevated cortisol destroys healthy muscle and bone; slows down healing and normal cell replacement; coopts biochemicals needed to make other vital hormones; impairs digestion, metabolism and mental function; interferes with healthy endocrine function; and weakens your immune system.
Adrenal dysfunction may be a factor in many related conditions, including fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, chronic fatigue syndrome, arthritis, premature menopause and others. It may also produce a host of other unpleasant symptoms, from acne to hair loss."

I am not proponing anything here, selling nothing, just sharing the information of what the stress that ACONs endure can do to us.

http://www.womentowomen.com/LIBadrenalfatigue.asp

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 03:25:55 PM »
You are so right about the damages done by the never-ending living in 'fight or flight mode'.
I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia years ago, and it is interesting to note that while they apparently do not know the cause of the chronic condition, they are discovering is common among people who have suffered from child abuse!
I also had breast cancer, and once again, they don't know the cause, but studies have suggested that it might be related to the 'lack of nurturing' as a child!
Those NParents are killing us, every which way!!!
The best revenge is to outlive them, to be the last one standing!  That's my goal!
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 03:28:53 PM »
Hi Discounted Girl,

Thank you for bringing up this important topic.  I have always experienced much anxiety and have often worried about it's effect on my health.  Recently, I came across a report about a study done at UCLA on women and stress (sorry this won't be too helpful to the men on the board).  It is exciting because it suggests that women have another response to stress besides "fight or flight".  That tending to children and/or communing with other women is also effective.  This is amazing...that our need to socialize with our girlfriends is actually more beneficial than ever thought before. :)  It also sheds new light on the role of caretaking for children.  Anyways...here is a link with more info.

http://www.namiscc.org/Research/2002/Women&Stress.htm

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Lisa

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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2004, 03:58:06 PM »
Only Me --- I totally agree with you, having an Nparent is the kiss of death to a sensitive-minded child. Your state of health may be testament to that. I found out the other day that a neighbor lady quit her job so that she could tend to her grown son's medical needs while he is bedridden recovering from a terrible accident. He is 6' 5" and over 40 yr old, so I know it was not easy on her, but that is a MOTHER'S LOVE kicking in.

You know, I think that humor can overcome a lot; I am not talking about laughing about what happened to us, I mean being around upbeat people and watching funny movies, reading jokes, watching comedians, going to comedy clubs, surrounding yourself with witty people.

Learning/Lisa --- thanks for that great link. Even to this day I feel a calmness and sense of peace when I am talking to or sitting close to my children. They are grown but I still have tremendous nurturing feelings. I love them more than I love my own life and I thank God each and every day for allowing me the privilege to be their mother. After reading the article you referred to I am reminded that I never had a lot of female friends, mostly my friends have been male. When I do have female friends they are strong and tight relationships with high respect and they last forever. I am wondering if the reason for my lack of female friends was from my family's message that girls were not as good as boys. Another thing, I feel a lot of peace from playing with my pets; my dogs and birds. I would never let anything happen to them and as long as I am around they will always be loved and well-tended. Someone on here mentioned grieving for her dog who had died -- I can really relate to that. Pets give us that unconditional love our parents were supposed to give us. I miss my little dog who died 8 years ago -- I think of him most every day.

Well, after all this, I think I need to join a quilting bee or go to a tupperware party.  :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2004, 12:36:51 AM »
Hi DG and everyone,

DG, yes!  I think one of my very first posts here was about misogyny (sp?) and its effects on my own perceptions of my fellow womankind.  That and the fact that I only have brothers, plus the very negative relationships both my parents had with their mothers.  I think I was the family dumping ground for all that was wrong with "broads" :? .  

And so I rejected them too (they rejected me?) and tried to be a boy.  I am now trying to explore and navigate the incredible support network of women.  Watching and appreciating the positives.  It's hard because one of the unwritten rules was "never, ever complain about your man".  But if you want to be one of the girls...

I also am often blindsided by the under-the-radar shots that girls employ.  I know, I  know, this is because society frowns on overt aggression from girls but my experience is limited.  I grew up wrestling with my brothers and just shouting back at them and getting sent to my room even if I was in the right.  (sigh.)

Thanks, Learning, for forwarding the UCLA link.  Enlightening, for sure.  

Back to stress--I still experience big surges of adrenaline if someone is upset over a difference of opinion and voices are raised.  I can deal with yelling, but not that forceful BIG intimidating tone of voice.  It still gets me.  Interesting that the antidote is providing life-giving support to those who truly need it and grow from it.   :)

Peace, Seeker

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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2004, 07:22:24 AM »
Seeker, I had forgotten about your misogyny thread. You remind me so much of a good friend I have, the way you express yourself and your enlightened attitude. While I never felt it was important to have a man around "all the time," I realize now that I valued having men care about me more than I valued friendship from women. I like to think I have moved beyond that, but I still have little tolerance for fru-fru airheads and back-stabbing gossips, which, unfortuneately seem to be women a lot of the time.  
Here is the link for those interested:
http://www.voicelessness.com/disc3/viewtopic.php?t=91&highlight=misogyny

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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2004, 11:35:01 AM »
:D

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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2004, 01:31:45 PM »
I grew up in constant fight or flight mode.  My mother, in her sociopathic rages, would beat the living shit out of me, and then literally 2 minutues later - it was like she forgot what she had just done to me - and she would just continue on like "normal".  Leaving me to pick up the pieces of my shattered world and self, only to wait for the next idiopathic outburst of rage directed at my small body.

Growing up was hell.

It's interesting that you mention this topic because I was thinking about this in my psychology class the other day.

Fight or fight mode raises levels of cortisol which breaks down soft and hard tissue in the body and hampers proper immune responses to inflammation.  At the age of 10 months - I was hospitalized for some sort of intestinal complication (my mother used to beat my brother and I as we sat in our highchairs - close fist punches in the face, at every meal time.

By the time I reached public school, grade 3 - I had developed Crohn's disease - an idiopathic inflammation of the intestine (your immune system thinks your intestine is a foreign object and tries to destory it)... at seven years old!!  At the time, I was one of the youngest cases on record.

I feel VERY strongly that developing Crohn's Disease was caused from early childhood trauma of a physical nature.

My aunt, she was diagnosed with Crohn's 2 months before I was, and she too was raised by my mother (because their mother was highgly histrionic and couldn't fathom staying at home and raising her own children, so my childmother, at the time, had to raise her own siblings for the majority of the years before the age of 14.  And my mother would BEAT the hell out of her sisters too.

Another aspect to my growing up in a constant state of fight or flight (I call it fight or flight syndrome) is my mother always had delusions of paranoia that cults, random people, and men who found her intoxicating were out to kill us.

Everyday...night - I lived in absolute fear that someone was stalking us.  Be it a satanic cult or some crazy man.  Growing up under the constant fear of death is VERY stressful.  As a child my heart was always racing, even at night while I layed in bed.

I'd also like to point out that my mother hated women.  She had no problem vocalizing her disdainment for her/my own gender.  "you can't trust women" - women, in my household were trash, except the QueenKiller herself.  I had no father.  I had one lilttle brother who was her little man... My cousin and I called him the Grand Poobah - and my mother was nicknamed "The Warden".  Since I was raised to view women as untrustworthy and "one-dimensional" - I'm sure it has found it's way into my own dealings with women.  I have NO close female friends and have difficulty giving them the time of day to even prove themselves :(   - and I know I have to work on that.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2004, 03:16:42 PM »
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At the age of 10 months - I was hospitalized for some sort of intestinal complication (my mother used to beat my brother and I as we sat in our highchairs - close fist punches in the face, at every meal time.


Jenocidal,  Mein Gott.... I can hardly believe the horrors you and your brother have lived through.  It just breaks my heart.  That crazy woman should have been locked up, and the key thrown away.  I am so sorry that you have gone through that hell.  I just can't see how anyone can abuse a child, especially a little baby.  It makes me so angry, and I just want to shoot the abuser and throw his/her body in a ditch.  Actually, shooting is too good for them.   :evil:

Like your mother, my Nmom hates females, and always has.  She would say how they have always envied her, as she was so beautiful.  Even now she thinks she is the hottest lil old lady in church, and all the other lil old ladies are so jealous.  Bullcorn... she looks like a lil old walking corpse, cos she has starved herself to be thinner than anyone else.  Of course, around men, Nmom all simpering.   :P

Some Nmothers are  jealous of their own daughters.  In some warped way, they see them as competition.  God forbid they ever outshine the queen mother.  Bah...  

Good luck to you Jenocidal.

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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2004, 03:35:17 PM »
Effects of stress....hmmm.....
In elementary school whenever I had to perform in front of a crowd - assembly, concert, etc, I would get a gnawing stomachache and after the event I would get stomach flu and be out of school for a week. Dr. said I had a nervous stomch and should not let things bother me so.....

Nparents never praised me after an event. They always told me all my mistakes and how I embarressed them even when I was good.

Duhhh! It went away when I moved away from Nparents. Wish I could have told the Dr. that Nparents made me live in a nervous state all my life!

I have letters from Nparents while I was in college. Every letter, every paragraph refered to me always being sick ( I wasn't) and how I do not know how to take care of myself so they outlined all the things I should be doing. I wasn't very sick after I left them, but they wanted me to be so I would need them.

Nmom will still say I have a nervous stomach, anemia, gland problems, hyperactive. That's pretty much her description of my life.

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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2004, 04:37:49 PM »
These Nparents are the most negative of negative -- always pointing out flaws and disappointments, most of which were never there to start with. It's like they hope and count on your failure. I think that's why the old NQueenmother of mine hates me so -- I didn't fall on my face the way she had it planned. What was it Robert said on Everybody Loves Raymond last night??? oh yeah,,, DREAM SMUSHERS !!! DREAM SMUSHERS !!!

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2004, 04:38:29 PM »
I went to the doctor about a year ago on the urging of my nmom.  Of course, she thinks I am the one with the problem.  I will admit that I have some severe PMS (am in mid 40s.)  Well about three years ago I had had it with my mom and blew up - literally lost it for about six months.  I would yell and scream and slam doors and threaten her, etc.  Well, the doctor said it was probably a GOOD thing that I got my anger out because anger turned inward leads to cancer, ulcers, heart attacks, etc.  So you can imagine how all of us kids of N parents might bet sick, fibromyalgia, headaches, etc.  So the news is - don't internalize your anger and frustration - exercise, eat well, and get that anger out!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2004, 02:38:02 AM »
Thanks Discounted Girl,

Living on adrenaline here. Thanks for the link.

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2004, 09:12:51 AM »
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Jenocidal))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

I can't fit a bigger, huge-er, massiver hug on the page or I would.

Your post shook me up big time.  I was hospitalized at 3 and again at 8.  By age 16, my anxiety level was severe.   My skin, is the best indicator of my stress level rising beyond tolerable these days.  Boils errupt and I know I have to do something different.   I too have some major physical problems caused by trauma.

You are safe now Jenocidal.  The horror is over.  I'm so glad you are here and I wish I had a magic wand to pass over you and heal your hurt.

For me, deep relaxation and visualization excercises help a lot.

For all who have endured and are recovering ((((((((((((((all))))))))))))))).
Thanks for posting this DG.  What you post is sooo worth counting.

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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2004, 05:03:23 PM »
This is just a general fyi -
I think it is relevant info for those of us who have/had a NMother, and wonder why we react differently from others, sometimes.

There is a Canadian Press item in the news this weekend about a study that is being done at McGill University, Montreal.

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A study indicates a mother's touch is crucial to a child's development, playing an important role in determining whether the child will develop a host of illnesses later in life.  It found that various stress-related illnesses, including depression, anxiety disorders, drug abuse and heart disease, could hinge on early life experience.  
The study shows that physical contact alters the chemistry in the developing brain, which causes a change in the stress response.
The team identified a brain molecule from a gene that contributes to differences in stress responses.  The team looked at the effect of maternal care on the activity of the gene.  Mother rats that repeatedly licked their young produced calmer offspring with a greater capacity to learn.  The baby rats had lower levels of stress hormones.  When a mother rat licks her young, she turns on the gene involved in reducing the amout of the hormone the babies will release when stressed.  A similar process where environment plays an important role also happens in human babies.  
People who remembered having poor relationships with their mothers also had measurements of stress hormones when tested with PET scans.
The team expects to follow 300 Canadian mothers and children for five years in an attempt to confirm the results of the animal study.

Apparently this is being presented at a conferrence, and I will add additional info when it appears in the newspaper.  

For those of us with NM's, and who had minimal physical contact with them, this might help explain how and why we react the way we do, and more seriously, it might help explain why we are prone to some of the physical problems that we have.

Just an ongoing study that I thought I'd share. :)
Edit In : This is an important part of the study :  
"Some people live stressful lives and are incredibly resilient but others succumb.  The studies in rats show that maternal contact alters brain chemistry, which causes a change in the stress response."

My thoughts are that the way we were raised by our NM's might have altered our brain chemistry, and this would explain so much of who we are today, and why we react to things the way we do.
If nothing else, it might help us sort it all out.
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