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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2009, 03:33:56 PM »
Sure.

I think the inner child becomes an abstraction, so sometimes when we address her, we don't take the visualization far enough to actually embrace her physically. Feel the weight of her small arms around our neck after we've said we'll protect her, remember being little and what it actually felt like to breathe...only air...

The one time I "dialogued" with my little self, I was shocked. She was completely, entirely real. I saw my own little face. The hazel eyes filled with sadness. The sweetness of my expression. The gentleness and innocence of my nature.

(I liked her, have to admit. I loved her.)

So anyway, I went through this whole thing where I bent over and tenderly spoke to her, saying, "I am so sorry that I wasn't able to protect you and comfort you when you needed it. I am so sorry you were alone with those very sad feelings. But I'm here now, and I love you." (BTW, I said "I'm sorry" without guilt. It wasn't a tragic conversation. It was just honest...)

Anyway, she reached up her arms and I held her and (in fully conscious mode) I was shocked. It was a REAL experience.

One of the most healing I've ever had. I felt such greater peace afterward.

And...along the lines of how I literally sensed the weight of her child-arms come around my neck, I wondered if one who smokes could start imagining that young self breathing...the clean air a child breathes...

And if that would help. In such a visualization.

dunnohopeso,

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2009, 03:42:44 PM »
Sorry...no idea why I'm gabbling on about this today...seem to be having a spasm of wanting to help...

But it's, I guess, the whole experienced compassion for the child-self I think I'm trying to get at.

Maybe there's some grieving, rather than self-blame, to go along with getting ready to quit.

As in a loving this child and telling her with great love and sympathy:

"Of COURSE you don't "deserve" to have this horrible addiction, or to breathe smoke. You poor sweetheart, NO, you didn't do something bad."

...and rock her and soothe her great deep pain over the fact that she does (for now) have it.

Just like an illness, not a character defect.

There's so much shame (wrongly, imo) associated with being addicted that I think it makes it harder to do the self-loving (actual rather than cerebral) that it takes to keep re-experiencing and practicing a kind of fighting for our lives love.

But when you feel love, it doesn't feel desperate, shattering, excruciating...if we're taking THAT to our inner child, we're not quite loving yet, we're still reliving our grief, rather than soothing hers. (Which may be exactly where we need to be, at that time. No demerits!)

When we're ready to love her, as whole-hearted mothers do (and we're creating those, whether we had good models for it from the get-go or not, we can) then it shifts. Becomes warm, fulfilling.

A GOOD, radiant feeling of self-love, rather than desperate and defiant.

I'm droning.

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2009, 12:57:51 PM »
Hi Hops,

Thanks for "gabbling on about this" it was a huge help especially this line:
 
we don't take the visualization far enough to actually embrace her physically.

It was a powerful visualization for me to carry a deeper connection of reaching, listening and really bonding with that split off part of self, or better my inner baby. I had no idea how far I could go in trying to connect with her until I read what you had graciouly share about your own work and yesterday I held close your touching images in order to connect with my inner child.

The amazing news is that the compulsion to smoke vanished yesterday, and, today, it is as if I am recoiling from even the thought although my body started to go through withdrawls, almost immediately, but I was able to withstand the withdrawls without wanting a smoke; I did have to apply a patch just to relax my legs.

This quick withdrawl and release seems as if my body wants to release the "permeation" of smoking as soon as possible from my life as I was breathing in the new fresh air of self bonding.

Break through!

Lise

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #48 on: August 03, 2009, 12:19:40 AM »
That is really, really wonderful.

I am happy to hear it and wow.

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #49 on: August 03, 2009, 04:43:24 PM »
Ah, wise Hops...

yes, you're correct about the grieving.... and the solution to it. Sometimes I feel that by putting all my attention on the habit itself, I'm completely missing the issue... trying to solve the wrong problem.

more to say; little time.
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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #50 on: August 03, 2009, 10:04:55 PM »
Really glad it helped.

xo
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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2009, 10:01:36 PM »
Keeping this thread up and alive because my hunger wounds are still up and alive. I found it interesting that I put this thread away, stopped writing on it, exploring the deep wounds that writing this thread allowed to surface.

My putting away this thread of the question what is my hunger was symbolic of myself putting away the hungry child in me that was starved for affection and attention, ignoring her needs or just scratching the surface the way that my N mom just scratched the surface of my needs, she did just the bare minimun, enough to keep me alive.  Somedays, that is exactly how I feel, that I am just doing the bare minimum of staying afloat in this world, denying my own needs.  My N wounds are super tiny compared to a full blown N, I may act them out on a small scale of wanting to be accepted somewhere or received by someone, but in reality there is a double reality, the now and the past.

Sorting out which is which is hard especially when you are being denied in the now, my being denied in the now is triggering these deep wounds, again, of what it was like as a baby to be so violently ignored, my needs, all of me. The pain cuts like a knife. I've learned this pain over the years, I call it God's scalpel, if I stay with it long enough, cry the pain out, or better described, squeeze the tears of agony out of my heart then there will be relief. It is the death of my ego which I thought was almost gone but as I am finding it is still alive and kicking very well.

For the last two years I have been in these wounds, from time to time. For awhile I found the cross of affliction to be a relief rather than running from the pain. I would turn my whole being into my wounds, let them stab and bleed, cry and simply just hurt. I found rest at times and in those times of rest I could see changes in myself, grace pouring through giving me knew vision as well as helping me grow emotionally and spiritually.

These days I am battleling trauma supreme, current trauma and past traumas. At times the pain feel endless, the losses are huge. I'm hungry but I do not even know what for anymore. All I know is that it just hurts. At times there is a blackness that envelopes me, it is the blackness of my childhood neglect.

The pain and memories are what it was like to be a baby and left alone for hours and hours, days and weeks, denied love, real love, for if you have an N mother than you can never full take in real love, not as long as she is in your life, you breathe in her toxic air.

My heart is being circumcised, this pain is by far the worst of all pains that I have had to endure during the trials I have experienced over the last two years. I pray that if I stay with the pain, pray through the pain and fully embrace my inner child who is hungry for me to acknowledge her hunger then something will shift in me, again. My hope is that my ego will shift in down size.

When I first started this journey into my heart I was strong, but overtime I have weakend and wanted to stop. God gives me strength and periods of rest but then it starts all over again. The good news is that even though I feel regressed, at times, I can see progress. There is hope in me and some days that small spark of hope is the only thing that keeps me going deeper into the darkness.

Lise

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2009, 10:15:17 PM »

((Dear Lise))

You express yourself so well. I truly hurt for you, ache for you.

I don't know why this is popping in my head. Would it be possible to have a symbol of a child ( you, as a child), doll, stuffed animal, real pet etc. that you could
give the love, safe haven you didn't receive.
Go back and give to yourself what you needed, each and every day.
Could this be a possible tool?
I just want to hold you.

Sent with a sincere heart full of hope and a glimpse of understanding of your true pain.    Love and prayers said for you, seasons
"Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply. Speak Kindly. Leave the Rest to God."
Maya Angelou

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2009, 10:30:25 PM »

((Dear Lise))

You express yourself so well. I truly hurt for you, ache for you.

I don't know why this is popping in my head. Would it be possible to have a symbol of a child ( you, as a child), doll, stuffed animal, real pet etc. that you could
give the love, safe haven you didn't receive.
Go back and give to yourself what you needed, each and every day.
Could this be a possible tool?
I just want to hold you.

Sent with a sincere heart full of hope and a glimpse of understanding of your true pain.    Love and prayers said for you, seasons

Thank you (((Seasons))), I have always loved you here.

There is a little doll in a pink dress with black hair that my old T, the good T, gave me. I have not wanted to use it because the good T, in her own humaneness threw me away as hopeless in therapy, my wounds were just too much for her as well as my financial debt to her lol, but anyway when I see the doll I see her and it brings back a painful association that I have not had a chance to heal or reconcile, so I keep the doll in my trunk of my car, despite I can hear the doll calling me and begging me to take her out again, doing exactly what you described so well, take her in my arms and give her attention.

Thank you so much for your words of validation and comfort.

Lise

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2009, 11:39:20 PM »
I had the cry of my life today. My sobs were primal, like a babies, the sobs that were repressed that a baby should be allowed to cry when they need something and are denied. A baby does not know what she needs, they cannot identify their needs yet, right? So they just wail in the darkness of hunger. That was my child, wailing in her agony of neglect. My mom would forget to feed me as a baby, today I sometimes forget to eat, especially when I am in the darkness of the memories. It is as if I just smoke, acting out the long hours of darkness of what it was like to be smothered in toxic isolation and fear.

My sobs feels so cleaning, I can feel a huge release, again. However I can feel another dark night coming on as well. I know the pain of stabbing pain, it comes and goes.

But for the time being I am going to allow myself the exhaustion I feel from having gone so deep, into such primal territory. My sobs were so deep, they came from what felt like the deepest part of my stomach or even lower.

I feel so much better now that I got out that pain. It feels stronger in me, my child, she is wanting to trust me again.

Now if I can just eat!

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #55 on: August 07, 2009, 08:44:52 AM »
Ahh, Lise. You have released so much.

Smoking, it is so much like nursing.
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Now, maybe because you have connected so powerfully with the little girl's pain and hunger, and have released so much of that anguish for you both...maybe now is the time for another visit?

And you'll find her, maybe a little older, quietly standing in a room.

You can go in, and just be her mother.
(No resemblance to your own.)

No anguish. No frightening her. You're at peace, drained but peaceful when you find her.
So you talk to her as gently and confidently as you've ever spoken.

She will trust you and listen.

Just use the confidence of love that knows how to say I'm sorry I wasn't able to take care of you then, but I will take care of you now. The confidence of love that can say that without feeling guilt or shame.

An apology without guilt or shame. You leave those out because you love her and don't want to pass those back into her.

See what happens.

Be gentle.

(I think you're getting somewhere. This didn't sound like recyling.)

hoping for you,
Hops

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2009, 11:14:05 AM »
Hops you are so helpful, thanks again for reminding me to bond with my inner child. Once is not enough. I think my mom tried to bond with me...ONCE.  :D

Anyways, I'm going to read your posts again, slowly, because you give some really good images that I can visualize which is a huge part of the bonding process.

The sun is out today and I am going to stay focused on just today as I go out for a walk, make cookies and perhaps even take a drive this evening to see some old friends. Also, make sure that I get some job searching in.

Thanks for your help. Yes, I feel SO much better now after getting those miracle tears out.

Lise

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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #57 on: August 07, 2009, 02:56:57 PM »
I am glad you feel better, Lise.
I was telling my guitar teacher how I had to go topsy turvey before I could find Jesus. I had to lose all bearings and everything that made sense in life before I could be His follower.
 When I get to Heaven, I guess I will know WHY I had to have my M and F.
 Why did I have to go through ALL this pain?
  I don't know. I guess I can never know from this earth plane.The Bible says,"We see through a glass darkly." I guess I have to accept that God knows better than I do and one day either I will understand or it won't matter.               Ami

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Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2009, 04:44:08 PM »
" I guess I have to accept that God knows better than I do and one day either I will understand or it won't matter.               Ami

Thanks for this...I have been processing out raw sewage from the depths of my soul. At times it IS RAW, I become raw and bitter, I become full of malice and spite, I become a fury of old  repressed baby rage...all directed at the Saintly N...hmm...I do believe my NM too deserves some of this displaced hostility.

The thing is that I am in the privacy of my own home, I am essentially powerless over the past and present and I accept that I just need to get my fury UP and OUT so that I can find the tears and pain to stay with it. It is has I said earlier, God is circumcising my heart, it is one big ouch, removing all this fury for once and for all... I can feel it. I'm working towards freedom....it is so painful though.

I was reading an old thread here that goes back to April 08 were I quoted Mother Teresa "if we are truly humble then we will be unmoved by neither praise or discouragement" Something like that. Anyway...that used to be my goal, my all the way goal for all of everything.

Lately, I can feel the glass walls of envy going up against me...I'm being shut out and the excuses are this story but that is just a smoke screen for accusation substitutes for self-examination and those bothered by my story telling are just too bothered by their own egos to have to face themselves. Being envied is a painful thing....really painful. It is a cross and usually you are hung on it for something that in essence is a virtue, the N's love to take our virtue and twist it into vice. Recall how Jesus was hung on a cross for the very thing that He was not guilty of... blasphemy.

However, I'm not without fault, malice, envy, hatred and my own fury....(it is time to get rid of that stuff, I'm trying my hardest), and wounds, but the N's, in their massive envy want you to feel like you are ALL fault and ALL bad. It is excruciating....God hears me in my pain though, he knows how much I have been shut out as a child, He saw my tears, He knows all of my ache. He accepts me..warts, moles and wrinkles, repeated stories and all, even my fury...


I'm feeling more peaceful...my heart is mending.
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Re: Question: What are we hungry for?
« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2009, 08:28:40 PM »
Dear Lise
 I am glad my post spoke to you. I almost erased it b/c I did not want to say "platitudes" but Jesus  IS all and Everything.I see people with good families and I envy them. I see people out with their M's and I envy them. I look with yearning and I want that.
 I envy my Aunt's children. They are a clan. *I* was supposed to have that as so many of the Jewish people I know do .
 Maybe,I am idealizing it. I don't know. It was what I wanted and do see others have. Maybe, it is not as it appears. I don't know. I know that I don't have it.
 That is for sure. I don't have it.
  I do have Jesus and He is all if I let Him.         Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung