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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2009, 05:40:11 PM »
Dear Polymath,

If you are having suicidal thoughts, I am concerned about your safety. Particularly because you mention you have already made one suicide attempt. Please call a therapist or counselor or all three. Isolating (staying in the car at your child's game) is not good for you. You may not feel like mingling, but make yourself mingle anyway. Please...remember you ARE (even though you don't feel like it right now) part of the human community.

You are loved and you are needed, even though you feel frayed and in pain and broken. So what? Welcome to the human pool, dear man. WE ARE ALL BROKEN AND MACHISMO IS A CURSE.

One day, after you work your way through this dark time, you can look back from a chapter where you have peace in your heart, love in your life, and renewed health and purpose. IT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE ALL THE TIME, EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN IN TERRIBLE PAIN. YOU CAN FIND HAPPINESS AND PEACE EVEN AFTER THIS. YOU JUST HAVE TO HANG ON FOR IT.

If you're having trouble hanging on for yourself...please, tell me about your kids. I would really, really like to hear all about your children. Ages? What do they like? Are they funny? What's special to them? About them?

Please hold your children's faces in your mind. And their hearts in your heart. Otherwise, chances are that in your pain, you might choose to let what hurt you about your own childhood absolutely DESTROY your own children. If you kill yourself, you kill a part of them. They will spend the rest of their lives with terrible rips in their hearts, and dark shadows over their hopes.

You deserve to live. They deserve a father. Not a perfect father. The one they've got...who commits to healing.

Moving away from your mother's vicinity is one thing that sounds really helpful. That takes time, of course. Your mother does not have the right to dominate your life. But only you can drag your thoughts away from her.

Please keep posting.

Hops
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2009, 05:51:03 PM »
Poly:

How did your session with the new Therapist go?

Did you feel you made a connection?

Are you going to continue?

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2009, 08:19:05 PM »

Hi Polymath,

I admire your honesty and I encourage you to keep pouring it out here on the board.  Writing things down is therapeutic, even if what you write doesn't resonate with your core or provide THE answer you're looking for in the moment.  But a collection of such moments helps move you closer to healing. 

I'm pleased to meet you.

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2009, 09:59:54 PM »
Thanks Ami,

You got it, that pretty much nails the problem. So much of NPD info on the web is from the victim's side, the people dealing with us. If they only knew the inner pain the N feels but is so afraid to express out of fear. I see these homeless men in town and see a small child 30-50 years ago that just didn't have a chance

Again, thank you very much for your response. Hopefully I can do or say something that helps you in your walk.

Poly,

In the past week I have been too self-absorbed here, until today, to read your thread/posts, stuck in my own pain, unmet childhood needs and the ache of that shame that comes from feeling defective. You express yourself well, so much that you write tells the story of someone with a good heart, the one thing in life that really matters.

I too look at homeless people, those sitting on the street, worn down and just tossed out of society. They, some, in a sense, are acting out the drama of their hearts wanting to be seen, wanting sympathy; these componets of love that we never got met in our raising. When I see homeless I feel compassion yet I find it interesting that I cannot so easily turn that same compassion that I feel for them inwards to myself, I can, and at times I have, but overall it has been a struggle.

Half the battle is honesty. If we can face ourselves then we are more than half way home. I too worry about the N's it seems from all that is out there that they are hopeless and we should just avoid them or patronize them. But I, at one time in my life, was highly N, acting out a full image of respectability and "face." I know what it feels like to have that "face" just smashed off. If there had not been other people in my life who too had to stare at their fake face that we hide behind to survive our childhoods and then this adult world then I would have never felt safe enough to push through the denial, the anger, my own lies and self deception to keep facing all that was wrong about me but that was only wrong so that I could survive what was wrong around me in my childhood.

Under the wrong mess of my thinking and then behaviors was a hurt scared little girl that just wanted love, she was never wrong in her needs.

Hope this helps.

Lise

 

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #19 on: August 13, 2009, 10:03:00 PM »
Dear RS,

You have a myriad of "angels" here, no judgement, or harsh rules of what ought to be.

You are, "seen" and "heard".

On this board you will find comfort, counsel, and validation.

We are here for you RS. Please continue to post as often as you want (need) to. Indiered

I'd just like to ditto what indi said here, welcome.

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2009, 11:04:34 PM »
I also wanted to say hello to Poly.

Welcome, we are here with with open hearts. Your not alone new friend. (( be safe, remember your children and take care of you)).

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2009, 01:10:07 AM »
Poly,

You okay?

What have you done this evening?

What's going on weather wise where you are? It is really hot? Any rain?

What do you have in your back yard...anything growing?

Describe something around you...just the IS of it. Colors, textures.

I'm worrying about you, man.

Hops
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2009, 01:49:13 AM »
Hey Poly,

I'm Deb and your worrying the hell out of me also.

I got your hand and I am not about to let it go...who's got the other?  Your child/children and you just can't let them Go...you will not let them go..you will not allow yourself to let them go...like I said I got the other...and then Hops has mine, and season's has her, and Ami has seasons, Gabben has Ami's, Mof2 has Gabbens, and a total of 1702 members....all hanging on to each other...AND we got you.  We'll fight for you, we'll keep your hand, now you fight for yourself and your children and we will go through it with you.  Your not alone.  Don't you leave your children alone. 

Don't look like we are going to let go AND you sure are not going to let go of your Childs...They need you to Heal...

Hops said:

You deserve to live. They deserve a father. Not a perfect father. The one they've got...who commits to healing.
I say Ditto ....

Talk to us!!

Love
Deb


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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2009, 03:34:28 AM »
Dear Polymath
 I am gonna differ with some people here. We all are different and that is OK.  I couldn't sleep and started thinking that I was disconcerted with some of the comments after mine.
  I felt unsettled.
  My intuition tells me that you do not need to get caught up in your 3 year old's relationship with the GM.The child is "safe".I feel that you are ridden with guilt and YOUR guilt and YOUR  are what is crucial  and front and center.
 You can't handle figuring out another way you may have failed  i.e. leaving the child with the wrong person.
  You need to hone your life down to simplicities-- breathe in , breathe out and TALK, TALK, TALK.
  You don't have to be good, right, perfect face, perfect words, acceptable words,nice face, nice smile etc.
  You just have to have one person to talk to, one connection.
  Maybe  it can be me. Maybe, I am way off base. It is my intuition you need this. If I am wrong,forgive my "off" thinking.
   I think you have guilt right up to the top.  It is a lie about what a bad, unredeemable person you are.*I* know   that type of guilt.  You feel so "wrong".
 I think you need to do just one thing---keep talking. That is all for right now. I hope I hear from you when I wake up. I care. I know I don't know you but (((RS))) I care deeply.                  Ami



PS When I get on the Board tomorrow morn, I hope you will be here and we can talk---just say hello if  nothing else.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 03:44:59 AM by Ami »
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2009, 07:51:44 AM »
Good morning everyone and thanks for your kind words. I'm still here.

As I sit here thinking of what to write, the thing that comes to mind is honesty, brutal honesty.  Honesty put forth not in a hurtful way but in a detached and cool kind of way. And that I can't be responsible for someone elses emotions and whats happened in the past.

My biggest personal problem is focus and attention. My thought process right now is so extremely disjointed. I have no flow. The dots just don't connect. I have been watching other people the last few days very closely, normal people, at the ballfield and in my neighborhood. My personal definition of what normal is, and yes I realize normal is a very subjective term, is a thought process that moves smoothly from the moment they are in to the next one. It's almost like they have one foot in now and one foot in the next second. Sure everyone thinks about the past and future but those thoughts are secondary to the moment to moment, "what am I doing right now" type of purposeful thinking.

Heres an example (this is over-analyzing but iits where I am). My step-father and neighbor were helping me work on my car last night. They are just neighbors to each other. They don't hang out but are just civil to each other for a minute when they're paths cross. While they were working on a problem I just sat back a little and watched. When two average people communicate, its like a dance with perfect timing. When one speaks, he might not be done with his sentence but when the other gets the gist of the communication he gently steps in, even if only with a 'yes' or a grunt and the original speaker doesn't mind this mild interruption. Its like #2 is saying unconciously, I hear you and this is my response. #1 doesn't stop his flow when this happens, just continues on. It really is like a delicate dance where both partners give and take on a very split second pattern. Reminds of that book 'Blink' which I think I'll re-read :)

I never saw that growing up. It is a magical and very alien thing for me to watch. My mother and grandmother bullied each other for the stage and my poor meek grandfather just got smacked around. I can't remember a single conversation as I've just described. It was just so weird. No memories of 'normal' people visiting, of parties, of just sitting and chatting, of playing. Yeah, thats it, no playing. Just 3 people caught up in themselves and work. My wife gets so mad, because when she comes home and asks where the kids are, I tell her they're outside playing and I don't know exactly where they are (the 10,9, and 7, not the 3). Because I had such a noose around my neck, I let them run free, maybe a little too much but IMNHO for their long term development its better to err on that side. Mom's, before you send CPS, we live in a small rural neighborhood of 7 families, all in plain sight and yelling distance. No city living with drugs and prostitutes on the corner :)

Finally, in the vein of honesty. My real problem is to me, it's all about me. The absolute worst crime against humanity is to spoil a child, giving in to temper tantrums because we can't handle them. You folks are being kind to a stranger and I thank you so much. But in the face-to-face world where we don't have time to think about what we write, my kind of personality gets old to people quick. Many people's quick response to that last sentence is "well, get to work on changing that" to which I answer,"to what". Its like trying to describe riding a bike to a newborn. Give him a bike, a book about riding, lecture him for hours, empathize, listen, etc and he's still not going to ride that bike.

What I'm really looking for right now is human connection with at least one guy (no offense ladies, please keep your support coming, I greatly appreciate it) who was an only child with a hovering mother and no male role-model and lots of religious coldness who, when things started to break down in their late 30's, fought this battle and won. I knew 3 guys in my home town who pretty closely fit that bill and they all took their own lives. Howard Hughes and Elvis had this problem and rotted to death around 40. I'll not lose my dignity.

Normal people know who they are. There private and personal lives match up. They have a deep deep sense in their psyche that they and others are OK. They have a deep sense of right and wrong. Yeah they may smudge their taxes a little or get mad at a guy cutting them off in traffic but nothing stops them in their tracks, they just keep stumbling forward.

Anyway, thanks so much for your efforts. I look forward to your responses.


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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2009, 08:45:52 AM »

Good morning Polymath!

You had us worried. Hearing your voice this a.m. is very comforting.

I know their are several gentlemen that stop in, I hope they visit and share a bit soon, for you.

I'll be back.    seasons ((glad your here))
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2009, 08:46:04 AM »
Dear Polymath
 I am not a man but until one comes along maybe you can continue to share JUST as you are. I think you are defining your dilemma. It is coming in to focus, what you need. Hold fast to that vision. It is your vision out of your dilemma. It is a path and it makes perfect sense.
 You are saying you need connection AND hope in order to want to live.  You need to find a man with similar circumstances for hope. You want to know it IS possible to overcome what you lost in childhood .You need  a man who has done it so you know it CAN be done.You want simple hope.
   I, or we, are not men(mostly) and so we cannot provide that hope but perhaps we can provide connection until the man comes along. I think you have defined your prescription for healing(wholeness for you)---hope and connection.
 It makes sense.
 If you find a therapist, make sure he/she adds to your hope and connection. If you find one who does not, you could get even more hopeless. When you can't connect with a therapist, you often blame yourself . I have been pushed down much more in that situation b/c that person could not connect even though they were a therapist. My Nm is a therapist but that is another story.
 Please keep sharing. You may not realize it but you are connecting.                               Ami
 
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2009, 09:01:43 AM »
Dear Polymath
 I wanted to add two more things. What I hear under your words are guilt and isolation. Guilt b/c you "fell "so far short of the "Christian" ideal. I don't even think you know,consciously, what the Christian ideal is just that you are so far below it that it seems hopeless.
 I think the shame that you feel for your transgressions is weighing on you so heavily and causing despair(I will NEVER be good. I will NEVER be among the land of normal humans who can connect)
 This is a distortion but you can't see it now.
 It feels very real, as distortions do.
  The other distortion, as I see it, is that your life as a child was SO different and awful that your only way out of the damage is death like Elvis.
 *I* had that distortion for so long. I thought that my M was SO horrible that I would be impaired and damaged forever. Why try to get in to the land of the living?"
 My  distortions are breaking but it feels totally hopeless until they do. Noone could tell me otherwise, ever.
 I was convinced that I could never be whole.it took connection to get me to see the distortions.
 I think your needing a man who HAS broken free of your type of childhood is a solution. You  know what you need---hope and connection.
 There are certain ingredients for healing. Inside you, you know what you need.
  Trust that compass little by little to lead you out of the hole . 
 I am just getting out of the hole, RS.                   Ami         
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 09:03:21 AM by Ami »
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2009, 09:51:20 AM »
Distortion is a good word and whatever the word would be knowing all the questions and answers in my head but feeling completely unable to put those into my life.

My biggest worry, and I suppose this is the foundation, is that the very basic wiring in my brain.

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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2009, 10:00:02 AM »
NOOOOOOOOOO !
My intuition(very good) tells me your wiring is fine. Your communication(wiring) is fine. Your assessment of situations(minus distortions which are ideas NOT wiring ) is fine.
 It is easy for people verging on the side of hopelessness to think their wiring is wrong.
 If that were the case, it would seem really hopeless which is where part of you wants to go anyway, in to the dark, giving up. There is a pull in to the dark, in to bed, in to the room where you pull the dark covers over your head and don't try anymore.
 Your wiring is as good as mine (laymans opinion but a smart layman)                 Ami

 
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