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Punished For Being A Separate Person
« on: November 13, 2009, 08:02:06 AM »
The N punishes, demeans, rages,humiliates ,threatens  etc if you want to be separate with your OWN identity. Do you have any examples of this in your life?
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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 08:13:43 AM »
My whole life has been being a part of an NM  like a Siamese twin from Hell. I could not have my own feelings, perceptions, values, wants, needs, emotions, thoughts. They all had to be hers or I was punished with no mercy, hunted down like a cat with a mouse . She is crafty and  is cunning. Her destruction is under lies that she CARES and you are the rotten one.
 The N does all this with no conscience. It is their right.
No wonder I could not protect myself in life. I had to surrender to a monster.

I think we get caught up with N's again b/c we have not separated from our original N.
« Last Edit: November 13, 2009, 08:18:18 AM by Ami »
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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 08:27:11 AM »
Hi Ames,

Your mum sounds like mine!  I think my earliest memory of having to 'support' her was at around eight or nine, out shopping for shoes.  She held up a pair of shoes and asked if I liked them.  I thought she meant for me to wear, not her, and I said no.  However, she'd meant for her, and as I said no she replied 'oh', looked very hurt and dejected, put them back on the rack and didn't speak to me for two days.  I felt like I'd done something terrible and felt terribly guilty for upsetting her so badly.  I then faced a constant dilemma whenever we went shopping as I never knew whether I was being asked if I liked something for me or for her - it meant I might offend her or end up wearing something I didn't like.  I got at job at 13 so I could go and buy my own stuff instead.  That's the earliest time I can remember not being allowed my own opinion, but you know, we just never disagreed with my mum so I guess things must have happened at a younger age that we just 'got'.  My mum was never very interested in us as children but as we got older she wanted to know more and more and be more and more included and involved - at a time when the natural progression was to spread your wings and fly the nest.  When I left home at 17 she helped me move boxes of my stuff into my new flat.  When I'd finished moving them from the hall into the bedroom I went back to the front door to see where she'd gone, only to see her getting into her car and driving away - she didn't even say goodbye.  That was my punishment for daring to leave home at an age that most people thought was too young (and made it look like I couldn't wait to get away).  Things got really bad after I had my son and dared raise him as I thought best rather than doing what she thought was right.  It was always done because she cared so much and I couldn't see how bad a parent I was being.  Needless to say I no longer see or speak to her.

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 08:31:56 AM »
Hi Ames,

Your mum sounds like mine!  I think my earliest memory of having to 'support' her was at around eight or nine, out shopping for shoes.  She held up a pair of shoes and asked if I liked them.  I thought she meant for me to wear, not her, and I said no.  However, she'd meant for her, and as I said no she replied 'oh', looked very hurt and dejected, put them back on the rack and didn't speak to me for two days.  I felt like I'd done something terrible and felt terribly guilty for upsetting her so badly.  I then faced a constant dilemma whenever we went shopping as I never knew whether I was being asked if I liked something for me or for her - it meant I might offend her or end up wearing something I didn't like.  I got at job at 13 so I could go and buy my own stuff instead.  That's the earliest time I can remember not being allowed my own opinion, but you know, we just never disagreed with my mum so I guess things must have happened at a younger age that we just 'got'.  My mum was never very interested in us as children but as we got older she wanted to know more and more and be more and more included and involved - at a time when the natural progression was to spread your wings and fly the nest.  When I left home at 17 she helped me move boxes of my stuff into my new flat.  When I'd finished moving them from the hall into the bedroom I went back to the front door to see where she'd gone, only to see her getting into her car and driving away - she didn't even say goodbye.  That was my punishment for daring to leave home at an age that most people thought was too young (and made it look like I couldn't wait to get away).  Things got really bad after I had my son and dared raise him as I thought best rather than doing what she thought was right.  It was always done because she cared so much and I couldn't see how bad a parent I was being.  Needless to say I no longer see or speak to her.

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« Last Edit: November 13, 2009, 08:36:21 AM by Ami »
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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 05:11:35 PM »
(((((((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))Hugs to you, Ami.  There's such a huge difference between comments that are said, meant and taken as a joke and things that are said that hurt so badly and cause so much pain - although, of course, if you say anything, you're told you don't have a sense of humour and to lighten up.  I've tried really hard lately to remember good times and nice things with my mum, and the only one I can really remember was one Christmas when she bought me gifts that were really special to me.  I remember being really touched at what she'd bought because she'd obviously put a lot of thought into it and made the effort to go to shops she wouldn't usually use.  I felt so warm and happy when I unwrapped them.  I don't remember any other time of feeling like that.

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2009, 08:26:18 PM »
Yes, Twoapenny
 I have warm memories,too. I know what you mean!     xxooo  Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 11:57:10 AM »
The N punishes, demeans, rages,humiliates ,threatens  etc if you want to be separate with your OWN identity. Do you have any examples of this in your life?
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I can think of a few examples.

The first one was when NGCB announced that he was moving out of the house, and renting a single family home with a roommate, a few weeks before his 18th birthday back in the 1960's.  NWomb-Donor reacted as if he just announced he was DIVORCING her and flew into one of the most sick and twisted RAGES I had ever witnessed!  She BEAT him with ANYTHING and EVERYTHING she could get her hands on, in the VAIN hope that she would BEAT HIM INTO SUBMISSION and FORCE HIM TO REMAIN WITH HER FOREVER!!!!  He moved out FASTER to GET AWAY FROM THIS CRAZY BATSH*T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (Her antics at NGCB's wedding, about seven years later, is a whole 'nother story!)

In 1999, when I gave two months notice that I was moving, to the person I was subletting from, she reacted AS IF SHE OWNED ME and ORDERED ME NOT TO MOVE!  WTF?  (I was WELL INTO MIDDLE AGE and did NOT need her ROYAL PERMISSION to make a decision!)  We got into a heated argument and she THREATENED TO HAVE ME EVICTED!  WTF?  (She ignored the fact that she had NOT paid ONE SINGLE PENNY in rent as I had PAID THE ENTIRE RENT FOR 19 YEARS, saving her credit rating and her financial a$$!)  She then called the landlord's office DEMANDING that I be EVICTED IMMEDIATELY!  (The rental office had already received my two month notice to vacate BEFORE the phone call.  I'm sure they noticed how BATSH*T crazy that loony was!)  I went ahead with my move to the condo where I am now.  FIVE YEARS AFTER I MOVE, she contacts me about her (now former) apartment!  I informed her, AGAIN, that I NO LONGER live in HER apartment!  She attempted to threaten to evict me from where I live now!  WTF?  She got informed, quite EMPHATICALLY, that her name is NOT on any of the mortgage paperwork...and the operative word here is MORTGAGE NOT RENTAL APARTMENT LEASE!  She was REALLY P*SSED OFF that I DARE CROSS HER!  (We're NOT even blood-related!!!!!!  She's BATSH*T F***ing CRAZY!!!!)

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 12:11:52 PM »
Bones, it's that complete lack of logic that's so scary.  People getting really angry for a valid reason is one thing but that fury that you dare do something that hasn't been approved or organised by N is really frightening.  People don't understand just how terrifying my mum can be but when she's crossed that anger in her is so strong that she's capable of anything.  Hugs to you ((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 12:27:23 PM »
Bones, it's that complete lack of logic that's so scary.  People getting really angry for a valid reason is one thing but that fury that you dare do something that hasn't been approved or organised by N is really frightening.  People don't understand just how terrifying my mum can be but when she's crossed that anger in her is so strong that she's capable of anything.  Hugs to you ((((((((((((((((((((())))))))))))))))))))))))))

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2009, 01:52:14 PM »
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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2009, 06:24:20 PM »
My whole life has been being a part of an NM  like a Siamese twin from Hell. I could not have my own feelings, perceptions, values, wants, needs, emotions, thoughts. They all had to be hers or I was punished with no mercy, hunted down like a cat with a mouse . She is crafty and  is cunning. Her destruction is under lies that she CARES and you are the rotten one.
 The N does all this with no conscience. It is their right.
No wonder I could not protect myself in life. I had to surrender to a monster.

I think we get caught up with N's again b/c we have not separated from our original N.


This is sooooooo me!!  (((((Ami)))))  I can't get over the exactness of your NM to mine.  That is why I cannot protect myself as well. It's been such a hard and long road for me to gather the self esteem to even stand up for myself in life.  It's so hard.

They are theives.  Rotten, angry, selfish, bitter, lonely, pathetic, ugly, evil, self centered, loveless, baby abuser, creepy MONTERS!!!

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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2009, 07:02:16 PM »
My whole life has been being a part of an NM  like a Siamese twin from Hell. I could not have my own feelings, perceptions, values, wants, needs, emotions, thoughts. They all had to be hers or I was punished with no mercy, hunted down like a cat with a mouse . She is crafty and  is cunning. Her destruction is under lies that she CARES and you are the rotten one.
 The N does all this with no conscience. It is their right.
No wonder I could not protect myself in life. I had to surrender to a monster.

I think we get caught up with N's again b/c we have not separated from our original N.


This is sooooooo me!!  (((((Ami)))))  I can't get over the exactness of your NM to mine.  That is why I cannot protect myself as well. It's been such a hard and long road for me to gather the self esteem to even stand up for myself in life.  It's so hard.

They are theives.  Rotten, angry, selfish, bitter, lonely, pathetic, ugly, evil, self centered, loveless, baby abuser, creepy MONTERS!!!



Thanks (((Bear))). My heart feels soothed when s/one empathizes and understands. It is nice not to be alone on this hard journey!
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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2009, 09:21:56 PM »
So many of your stories are much too familiar. I was trained to be a virtual clone of my NF. I had to like what he did or I was wrong. Oddly enough, the most bizarre times are with my dear mother.

When I was summer camp the summer I turned 9, my mother decided to redecorate my room. In pink. I absolutely HATED pink -- I was a tomboy. My nice blue room was gone. My mother was so thrilled to show me my new pink room. Undoubtedly it's a room she would have loved as a girl, except she didn't understand I wasn't her. I knew better than to say I didn't like it. I'd get a lecture about how unappreciative I was and how she had spent so much time working for this special room for me. I was completely flabbergasted that my mother had absolutely no clue that her only kid hated pink.

The one that amazed me most, though, was when I was preg with my 2nd child. I was in the hospital for the third or fourth time with an extremely painful undetermined problem. My symptoms indicated needing to have my gallbladder removed, but every test came back saying it was just fine. Because all the tests looked good and I was in my 24th week, the surgeon didn't want to operate because of the risk of preterm labor. Since I couldn't keep down food so I was being kept in the hospital and fed through IV. My 1st child was 16 months old and ran away because he didn't know me when I got home from my first/second hospital stays. So...my mother called me in the hospital and I mistakenly tell her we think we might have found a solution that involves me being fed through IV at home until the baby's born. I'd checked it with a perinatologist, nutritionist, gastro doc, surgeon, ob/gyn, nurses and they all agreed it was doable. She went through the roof yelling at me that I must have my gallbladder removed, that I there was no reason to do anything else and that if I didn't I would likely die (btw, she has absolutely no medical training). She even told me that it was my duty to do so and questioned what kind of a mother I was. Then she hung up on me. I was stunned. Here I was pregnant, in the hospital, with all the female hormones going, facing 16 weeks more of unbearable pain, separated from my 16mo, with an unknown pregnancy complication, facing the possibility of needing an operation that might kill my baby, and she was yelling at me. And, this was my mother? The next time she called my 2nd child was 3 months old and she acted like nothing had happened.


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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2009, 07:34:41 AM »
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I woke up today and I realized I AM a separate person. Since I went in to a shell in my teens, I never felt separate from my NM.                                                          Ami
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Re: Punished For Being A Separate Person
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2009, 08:04:32 AM »
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