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Nonameanymore

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overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« on: December 22, 2009, 05:34:15 AM »
Do you think that talking about things helps? Do you think there's a limit to analysing? Do you find (like me) that sometimes you tend to think things and talki about them insteading of doing them and living a life?
Is it the easy way or the tough way? And what if the tough way is actually simply living a life because we are programmed to talk and talk and talk about things and analyse them, and be and feel 'deep'?

I remember a couple of people told me in the past that they liked the fact that I was 'deep'. But what if deep means the inability to have fun because you have to put everything under a microscope (both your own and others' behaviour?)

Just some thoughts and would love to read what everyone's take on this is.

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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2009, 06:17:05 AM »
Do you think that talking about things helps? Do you think there's a limit to analysing? Do you find (like me) that sometimes you tend to think things and talki about them insteading of doing them and living a life?
Is it the easy way or the tough way? And what if the tough way is actually simply living a life because we are programmed to talk and talk and talk about things and analyse them, and be and feel 'deep'?

I remember a couple of people told me in the past that they liked the fact that I was 'deep'. But what if deep means the inability to have fun because you have to put everything under a microscope (both your own and others' behaviour?)

Just some thoughts and would love to read what everyone's take on this is.

P.

I think it depends on the issue, the situation, and who you are with.

At times, I don't analyze and simply enjoy the situation I am in (such as playing on the Enterprise-D bridge at the Star Trek Exhibit).  Other times, when I'm confronted with a situation that has me scratching my head in befuddlement, I will talk it out with others who have dealt with similar circumstances to get their take on what's going on before I make a decision on which action to take.

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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2009, 08:31:06 AM »
Dear P
 I know what you mean by your question . Many people have told me to "Lighten up". I could fake doing that but never actually could.
 I got tired of faking so gave up. I pulled away from people and found the Board. I  drove many people crazy with the same moaning and pain.
 I could not help it. I was drowning in my own distortions. I was trying to climb the wall from water that was seeking to drown me. I could not just "Lighten Up".
 For me , I found one person who could see me, mirror me, as Dr G's essays say.
 I think that we were not mirrored in life so we constantly ,frantically seek people  to tell us that we ARE definite beings who exist i.e. selves
 We were blocked to our own sense of self from our N upbringing.
 I don't think we can "Lighten Up"
 I think we have to somehow connect with our inner selves and become one whole  rather than a fragmented person. Then, we will be able to let go of the constant belly gazing.
 We belly gaze cuz we need something like a person needs food when  hungry or water when thirsty. It is not self indulgent.It is a need seeking to be resolved.
 I am just starting to feel a sense of self as I had when I was younger.
 Have you ever felt a sense of self, P?            xxoo  Ami
 
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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2009, 08:33:16 AM »
Hi P,

I think talking about things, analysing them and pondering meanings helps if it moves you forward, shapes your thinking and helps you cope with things that are/have affected you negatively.  I think endlessly talking about things without furthering your own understanding of the issues and doing something about them is paralysing and very unhealthy.

For example:  I have a male friend who, for six years now, has been in a very unhappy relationship.  He had a child with a woman who he now feels just used him because he had plenty of cash and that he was her last chance for having a baby (she was an older mum and had been single for a long time).  He gave up a lot for her and she has treated him badly and he has really lost out - the benefit is that he has a beautiful daughter when he had always thought he'd never have children.  His situation is very sad and I can understand completely that he feels used and that he has been tricked, in some way.  But..........................he literally delivers the same information about his situation every time I see him.  He complains bitterly, goes through every example of how badly she's treated him, what he's lost, what he gave up, how it's too difficult to start again and so on.  In six years, he has taken absolutely no action about the situation and the two of them continue to exist in a very miserable relationship that neither of them gets anything positive from, other than their daughter, who has actually said she wishes they'd live apart because they argue so much.  To me, he is someone that talks about things incessantly but does nothing, and so this is damaging.

Someone who talks through and thinks about their problems and then uses that to make changes, whether physical, practical, emotional or financial, is someone who is going about things the right way.  I feel like I have blockages throughout my system.  I find myself making the same mistakes, in the same situations, with the same worries, and I talk, think and analyse my way through it.  It can take a few minutes or a few years, but for some reason, once that 'lightbulb' moment comes the blockage shifts.  I can't really explain it, but only yesterday I suddenly realised the reason I feel so uncomfortable around drunk people is because I spent my whole childhood cringing at my parents drunken behaviour and trying to cover up what they did so other people didn't realise.  I remember being out with my mum one weekend afternoon and bumping into a lady she used to work for.  My mum was so drunk she struggled to get her words out and I felt so ashamed and humiliated that my mum was in such a state, in public, at five o'clock on a Sunday afternoon.  Why this had never occured to me before I don't know, but as I realised it something inside popped and it suddenly stopped being an issue; I feel like I can giggle at drunk people being silly now rather than feeling ashamed and responsible for their behaviour.

I've gone off on a tangent a little bit (sorry!).  But I think it depends entirely on what you do with whatever it is your analysis brings up.  I've had times where I haven't talked about any of it for months because I'm so sick of the sound of my own voice and hearing myself say 'my mum' a dozen times a day.  Other times if I hadn't been able to talk and think it through I'd have gone mad.  I think it's fine to leave it all for a while and go off and do something else.  I've done this for a couple of years at a time in the past, then it becomes an issue again so I've gone back to talking it through.  For me journalling doesn't work as well because I feel like I need someone else there to respond to it and give me a perspective.  I've been through phases where I've over-analysed but I think that's the flip side of being raised like a robot - you need to learn where the healthy place is and it's somewhere between never thinking about yourself and thinking about yourself constantly.  Like anything, it takes practise!  I remember when my therapist first pointed out to me how much I did for other people and it was way too much.  I went completely the other way for a while and refused to do the tiniest thing for anyone if it was any kind of effort for me at all, right down to refusing to drop something off for someone as I went past their house.  I got back to a happy medium in time but it took a while.

I've rambled on for ages so don't know if any of this makes any sense!  Hopefully something will!

Twoapenny xx

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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2009, 10:43:31 AM »
Guys thanks for sharing, I 've just skimmed through the posts, yes, this is exactly what I was talking about doing too...
Will post more from home

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2009, 03:23:26 PM »


Persephone!!!!!!

I remember a couple of people told me in the past that they liked the fact that I was 'deep'. But what if deep means the inability to have fun because you have to put everything under a microscope (both your own and others' behaviour?)

Lordy P, I'm struggling with the same thing right now.  I find that the more I analyze within the hearing of someone else (especially those with whom I'm trying to build a new relationship, the murkier the water becomes for them.   I feel that I'm such a simple soul, but the feedback I get from others sometimes tells me that I'm not.   More often than I enjoy, communication becomes confused and the options to carry on become restrictive.  Option 1)  Don't talk about your depths.  2)  Play along like you're really enjoying hearing only their stuff.  3)  Go along to get along and see if father time has the answer.   4)  Bow out and find a friendlier avenue to express yourself.

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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 11:49:31 AM »
I think it depends. Those of us who are introspective can't just stop. And it would be denying who we are to try to "just live" if that means not analyzing. However, I think if we find that analyzing = worrying, then we can stop the part that is causing pain. There comes a time when you have to "just do it" and quit thinking about it. But I wouldn't want to be one of those people who doesn't think deeply at all.

CB --- I love what you said: I somehow raised six of them and our household is intense. I love it! I have been described as "intense". And probably all of my birth children (all boys) could be described in the same way. My oldest in particular is intense, and although he dropped out of college after one year, he can carry on the deepest conversations about religion, psychology, literature, current events. (I say although he dropped out of college because to talk to him you would never guess that being a student wasn't one of his things ... he sounds like a very intense student!). My next oldest was so intense that although his brother was 2 years older, he consistently pushed himself to keep up (and was successful at it!). My youngest has double the intensity of the other two.

Yet when I say "intense" --- I don't mean that we are lacking humor or playfulness. Quite the opposite. But we live life to the fullest and think and feel deeply.

Persephone, I would just say that be yourself but be your best self. That may sound stupid, but with time and attention I think we all can learn to discern when analyzing becomes overanalyzing and when talking about the past becomes wallowing in the past, etc.


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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 01:42:13 PM »
Dear HoP,

if I had a penny for every time someone called me 'intense' - gladly there is no such word in Greek so I only heard during the 6 years I was in London!  :D (if I can't make fun of my own self, then who can??!!) I completely blocked that out...!

I am struggling like some of you guys between my natural instinct to be 'intense' and 'deep' and the other end that is to be fun. I think I can be both, but I can't take things as lightly as I used to. Sometimes I overanalyze, sometimes things are too much 'in my face' to ignore them...

I am glad I am not alone on this one though! :lol:

On a different note and slightly irrelevant, I met with an actor two days to work on a script and as we talked, it turned out that both his parents were/are vicious Ns. It's the first time I had a male perspective on being raised by an N. Although his NM's behaviours were slightly different to mine's, nevertheless he has struggled and still struggling with the same issues... I thought that being women, we had to deal with a number of issues in a 'different' way, but as it happens, it's just about the same...


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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 06:03:38 PM »
I am Recovering Intense.

I am trying to discover the luminosity of being at peace in the present. Trying's the operative term..

Once years ago I was driving around Baltimore with a friend, commenting on everything in sight ("Don't you think those streetlamps are a waste of energy? That porch is proportioned all wrong. I can't stand it when people prune shrubs sides cutting into bottom rather than rounded naturally....blah blah...")

My friend said spluttered, "Do you realize you edit EVERYTHING?"

 :?

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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 06:15:00 PM »



Hi HeartofPilgrimage,

I would just say that be yourself but be your best self. That may sound stupid, but with time and attention I think we all can learn to discern when analyzing becomes overanalyzing and when talking about the past becomes wallowing in the past, etc.

Yeah, the danger in doing it that way is that we'll become the proverbial diamond in the rough with only  two facets showing or just a roughen stone.  It takes a lot of tumbling in every direction or being polished from every angle to make us the shiney, bright jewel God intended. 

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Re: overly analytical and critical or simply living a life?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 10:51:54 PM »
Teartracks, Can you explain what you mean a little more? I'm not sure what you're getting at.

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« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2009, 08:31:49 AM »
TT, is it perfectionism, wanting every facet to be polished?

I think about nature, so rough, full of decay and new growth side by side, beautiful, raw, stormy, calm, every texture and possible form of life...

Jewels are manmade...

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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2010, 04:27:19 AM »
Hopalong,
Your comment about nature made me think of gardens.

My NM's garden is carefully manicured, each plant and pot placed in the perfect location.  Every fall dug up and disposed of, only to be planted again in the spring in the same way.

My garden is full of perennials, reseeding themselves, spreading in random movement.  They are free to evolve in whatever direction they choose.

Polished or................ possibility?

Logy

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« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2010, 02:05:24 PM »
Logy, I love what you said about perennials that reseed and spread out in their own way ... maybe that is what I love about the English cottage garden look, that the beauty is the beauty of each plant spreading in its own way. I live in a very dry part of the U.S., where it is not practical to achieve such a lush garden without constant watering ... but I still love to look at pictures of small and crowded English gardens, with roses spilling over fences and wisteria drooping over windows ...

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« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2010, 12:18:51 PM »
Hoo boy, Logy...
I think the manicured American lawn is such a telling thing.

DOMINATE that nature! Aaagggh. It's loosened up a bit, but sometimes now it's like a competitive aesthetic, whose yard is the most fake-natural? That's weird too.

Great book called Edible Estates by Fritz Haeg...

I want a meadow for a lawn one day. Meanwhile, never met a weed I didn't like.

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