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Gaining Strength

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2010, 05:39:19 PM »
LOL - no I don't feel tested.

I am thinking out loud, keeping helpful thought up front in  my consciousness to be used as i move through triggers, shifting out of the old anxiety response. 

As I move through normal every activities, many of which have triggered extreme, repressed angst, while shifting out of the expectation of anxiety into a new process, I am sure that the old "anticipatory" anxiety will begin to lessen.  This will make it much, much easier for me to be able to do more and more things that have been so difficult for me - the normal everyday things.

I'm not writing in a way that makes sense to any one else but it helps to write it anyway.  It is making sense to me.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2010, 11:19:14 AM »
The dreams i had last week continue to help me on my way out.  I am able to stand on the precipice of my normal, severe anxiety reaction and catch myself, remember the rabbit and pull myself back out.  Right now the most difficult thing is to move out of immobilization.  It is an entrenched safety that is no longer needed but the habit is so profound.

I know I can do this.  I am surprised at how frightening it is.  Such fear of failure, such fear of deficit of resources, such fear of recriminations and a large part of this is deeply internalized.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #62 on: March 16, 2010, 03:07:14 PM »
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you see the mistakes as reinforcing the false belief that was projected

Whew - I got this far in your post PR and had to comment.

This describes one of the major contributors to my immobilization - every mistake, large and small reinforces the false beliefs that were projected onto me.  This worked in such a way that I would cover up the mistakes because they caused such shame and humilation as they proved how unworthy, unnecessary and in the way I was.  Later on I would become so angry that others did not have the same dire consequences that I had for the same mistakes.  Others were not "excommunicated" for similar errors.  That bitterness and anger worked against me, proving, cementing the unwantedness and problem that I was.

Still can't write as much as I would like to about this.  I am certain that there is so much to explore about this for myself.  I want so much to say more but I must wait until it becomes clearer for me.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #63 on: March 17, 2010, 09:12:25 AM »
Odd that you used the word "excommunicated". There's a clue there, I think... to "connection".

I can relate to that feeling. It's been coming up a lot in little ways for me... but sort of on the flip side. With hubby home all the time now, we keep "bumping into each other" about who's doing what (or did what)... we're stepping on each other's toes (egos) more often... and trying to divvie up the things that need to get done - and I'm running headfirst into one of my "buttons" that he continually pushes... by telling me in detail "how to do" things. We keep having minor blowups when I point out to him, that I know how to load the dishwasher... or think I'm capable of whatever task, without his constant oversight & direction. And of course, he takes that personally and thinks I'm "mad" at him...

...sigh. I've explained the history of why that bothers me to him. Lately, I've just been scathingly sarcastic - because he's treating me like a clueless child. But of course, he's the one who's feelings are hurt (due to sarcasm)...

I think we're getting it sorted out, but not without a few bumps & bruises. I have to learn that he CAN help... can be an important part of the process... and I wish he would learn that I have old scars that are still sensitive... and that it's not his fault; he isn't the problem.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #64 on: March 17, 2010, 12:57:35 PM »
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and I wish he would learn that I have old scars that are still sensitive...

This was a significant issue with my late husband and me.  I could not convey this to him in any way that created a shift in behavior.  It was a significant issue until his dieing day.  Only after he died was I able to see how some of the issues that punched my buttons caused me to punch his as well.  It was sort of like a perversion of that O'Henry story, "The Gift of the Magi".

I have more to say but I have to process my rambling thoughts before I do.

BTW, I am always cheered when I see that you have posted on my thread.  Regardless of what you say, it is a comfort to read your thoughts.  Thank you friend. - GS

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #65 on: March 18, 2010, 06:59:58 AM »
Hey you're welcome!

Sorry for the personal babble of mine... it was kinda non sequitor, 'coz I was winding down another winding train of thought. But speaking of pushing buttons - it's kind of inevitable from time to time; it's almost like a sign of "life". He described it as our boundaries being compressed - we each have smaller personal spaces, being around each other a lot more. We do tend to push each other's buttons randomly - and sometimes at the same time - and I don't want to make those "off limits". I'm not trying to teach him "hands off" certain topics or behavior or feelings. That would be counterproductive to what I really want and trying to control him; mold him into something he's not.

What I want is to just be comfortable - to keep the scars, yes - but not have them evoke all the old behaviors. Fortunately, we're able to talk through these moments and figure out what just happened. Next step is working out another way of "being" in that place and choosing something different than that old pattern, ya know?

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2010, 02:52:47 PM »
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That is, IF I'm not centered in myself and haven't had a chat with the inner child prior or negotiated a pre-arranged agreement about what is appropriate behavior. My inner child tends toward melodramatic acting out, extreme anger, and consequently total withdrawal - feeling unworthy of fun, pleasure, or self-care. I've been dealing with finding a way to undo the self-sabotage I "suffer from" and working with the inner child on where her logic went kaflooey... why she thought this was safer than caring for herself... what the emotional string of stuff is underlying it.

Your writings are so full of power for me PR.  I have to take it very slowly.  This one paragraph holds so much for me, especially this sentence: My inner child tends toward melodramatic acting out, extreme anger, and consequently total withdrawal - feeling unworthy of fun, pleasure, or self-care.

I am stymied to write more even though I really long to.  I hope that I can walk away and come back to it.  this is very, very important for me to face and work through.  Oh I know you were writing about yourself but it so aptly applies to me and my experiences as well.

If I can keep myself aware of the fact that I am still living in the child's reactiveness then I can help myself avoid the pitfalls and over reactions that often come my way.  those overreactions are sources of great shame and feelings of utter impotence and they touch and reaffirm the old lies of worthlessness. 

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2010, 05:40:14 PM »
Patience with yourself and tender kindness... it's the world's best antidote to the old poison. I still don't give this to myself enough - and I still keep others who try to give it to me at arm's length. But lately, the tide is turning... tipping point coming up, you know?

I think it's probably taken me YEARS to really process this little chunk of information/self-knowledge. But each little step of progress started to accumulate positive energy - "points" if you will - on that side of the scoreboard. And yeah - I had to peek at it a lot through squinty eyes & fingers over them a few times, before I could finally open to it. Thankfully, it's not a contest!!!!

(((((((GS))))))))

I'm so glad you got your internet back!  :D
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #68 on: March 21, 2010, 09:10:47 AM »
thanks PR.  It is so good to connect with you and others here again - GS

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #69 on: March 21, 2010, 10:29:37 AM »
This should have been plainly obvious to me but it wasn't and that is a surprise.  The biggest wound underneath the significant hurts is the rejection I experienced in my family of origin.  I experienced it and continue to experience it from my father, my mother and both of my brothers.  The "continue to" aspect is not the wounding.  The deep abysmal wound is that it started from birth.

I see how this has opened my heart to walk into the world expecting to be rejected, or criticized or ....  The neurological response of fear and swimming against the tide, striving started from my earliest days.  No wonder it is so powerful.

I am at the bottom of the digging portion of my journey and simultaneously already on the ascent out.

I am using the shift of emotional response to push me forward, upward.  My rabbit dream with my mother and grandmother is a great help with that shift.  Essential to making this transition is the acknowledgement of where I am at the moment - to be open to the deepest of pain and connect it to that primordial wounding and in the midst of pain to shift.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #70 on: March 21, 2010, 10:39:25 AM »
This entry is not about my healing but it is a weird experience and I want to share it somewhere.

Recently, in my town a man who is married with young children went missing.  A few days ago his body was found.  It has not yet been made public how he died and the speculations are wild.  Meanwhile his estranged brother who marches to the beat of his own drummer has been blogging wild, unfiltered thoughts about his brother and his brother's children.  The blog has been pruiently fascinating. 

This morning I googled the blog to read his latest entry and up came an undated entry that I read.  In the midst of the ramblings was a description of "an old friend of mine" with a number of unusual facts that closely matched my late husband including the fact that he has been boxing with a younger opponent and was hit in the heart and then later died on the track at the gym.

With some reservation I emailed the writer and he confirmed that he was writing about my late husband.

What is so weird is that I am the only person I know who has ever connected the boxing experience and his later heart attack.  They happened almost a year apart.  This man was not close to my husband.  In fact, while I am not surprised that they knew each other I am totally baffled that this guy knew about the boxing experience. 

Odder still, the entry has no date and I asked the guy when he wrote it and he said 2 or 3 years ago and yet it was the first entry that came up when I googled the blog.  I have been checking out the blog for a couple of days and never seen this entry before.

Anyway - it is just a weird experience and I wanted to share it with noone in particular but another human somewhere and cyber space is as good a place as any for that.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2010, 01:44:20 AM »
I had a long drive today - 6 & 1/2 hours with 2 cats and dog and half way through my child developed a stomach flu like problem. 
After we stopped because he was nauseated, we stopped again because he had to poop.  He was in tears and sweating a little.  When he got back in the car he lay down and fell deeply asleep until the cats began meowing incessantly.

I found myself getting overwhelmed.  As i stayed with the feeling, and tapped on it, I found that I could connect with a huge amount of fear, painful, terrifying fear from my childhood.  I saw how my father (authority) would criticize, condemn, punish me for things that others might get praised for.  The demands were so high that  I could not attain them or if I did then the goal would suddenly shift or the attainment would be diminished because of some small exception.`

These feelings, memories, triggers escalated as cars passed me when I was going the speed limit. I was hypervigilant about being pulled over by law enforcement even though I was not speeding.  It was like being punished by a teacher who turned around when you are telling someone trying to talk to you that you can't talk.  It took me several hours to work through the pain/panic/fear.

It was definitely like being in that child again.  I saw that I believed that my actions, my being was the cause of the criticism and rejection.  I was sure that if I could get it right and be good enough that I would be loved and get the nurturing and comforting and acceptance that I so longed for.  When I saw this I immediately remembered the rabbit dream and the other dream I had that same night.  In the rabbit dream, I see a dream symbol of a rabbit that has significance for my grandmother.  When I tell her about it my mother is there, turned away, waiting for the conversation to end.  I sense in her an agitation, an irritation that she is passively threatening to verbalize if my grandmother responds to me.  My grandmother is caught between the two of us.  If she accepts my offering my mother will respond caustically.  If she ignores me, my mother will immediately move in to connect with her and offer her that soothing result of mother-daughter connection.  The dream ends there.  I am keenly aware that my grandmother's choice is immaterial.  The rabbit is a truth which is not dependent on whether my grandmother accepts it or not.  That is the message of the dream.  What is me does not depend on the reaction or acceptance of a relative.  "Me" does not depend on being accepted or loved by them. Even though my being longs to be accepted and loved by these very beings.

The other dream of that night shows so clearly that my choice is between trying, longing to meet their demands, to overcome the issues that evoke their criticism, to shift out of unworthy into worthy OR letting go and moving into rational, reasonable, normal.

In that dream, I am in an apartment, my apartment.  My brother (who also shifts into and out of being my father) is there for some reason.  My living room does not have furniture but some kind of technological boxes. There is cat fur on them.  I am trying to surrepticiously clean off the cat fur as we organize the boxes.  he shifts into my father and the rules are evoked and there is no way I can meet the requirements.

Someone comes by and knocks at the door, inviting me to join her and some friends at a celebration.  I can't go because I have to get the living room straightened up.  I tell her no and expect her to go catch up with the group at the festival.  I'm feeling left out - excluded. Then I am standing in the doorway.  I have become the friend who stopped by. I say that I won't leave without her (the person, (me) who lives there.  I call for the other friends to come and help get the work done so we can all go.  I shift back to me.  I am hit with a shot of panic. He will NEVER let me go.  There will be a HUGE price to pay.  I say NO.  She sees immediately what is going on and lays it all out.  "He is destroying you.  He is not sheltering you, showing you the right way.  His rules are ways to controll you not superior to everyone else's way as he has claimed. 

I have a choice.  Try to meet his demands.  Try to connect.  Try to get the love and caring that I need to survive or thought I needed to survive or that I need to survive emotionally if not physically.  OR see the insanity, the impossibility of the demands that are actually set up to force me to fail and then become a rationale for deserving the abuse he must heap out on me and decide to forgo that source of love, to give up being loved and cared about by the people who gave life to me, who seemed to have it all, whom I thought I admired and whom the world claimed loved me.  The had to love me didn't they, they were my parents and my siblings.  But they didn't and the world was wrong.

I must give up my hope for that longed for love.  I must choose the friends and friendship instead.  it seems to pale in comparison but in truth it is the only hope for real connection.  Seeing this truth is still indescribably painful but it is a must and making that choice is the only choice of hope.  The other choice is of chronic pain and perpetual failure.  It is Sysiphus pushing the rock up the mountain over and over and over into eternity.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2010, 09:26:21 AM »
Yucky day, yucky me, wanting to muddle through changes.  Weather dumping on my parade.  

Last night very much felt as though I was "going through it" to get to the other side.  The pain was fully a revisitation of the extreme emotional pain of childhood.  I could see how my choice could be made - a very, very difficult choice to make - survival or being loved.  Even as a grown, rational adult it is difficult - though very, very clear.  One leads to insanity and a loop and the other to healing and a long climb up.  It is a lifetime and nature's conditioning that I must overcome.  It isn't Sysiphus any more because I am chosing a different path but just getting started is harder than I had imagined.

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I saw a fascinating program on TV last night.  It is TLC's new version of Hoarding, a vast improvement over A&E's (which I like).  TLC's version is not a 3 day clean up (with no follow up) but is a s-l-o-w, incremental series of steps that ultimately lead to change.  One of the Hoarders was a very attractive and apparently, otherwise, successful man whose hoarding was so severe that once inside the door of the 3 bedroom home people were walking on stuff - no floor visible.  Once his girlfriend of several years, saw it for the first time, she threw the towel in.  She had ZERO compassion or understanding.  Her reaction was quite harsh.

I love that it the focus of this program is for the l-o-n-g term solution and the slow but steady remedy.  It seems as if some therapists developed this program out of a strong reaction to the A&E version.  It feels good to me.  I want to form a s-l-o-w but stready plan for all phases of my life, especially as I find the way to switch tracks from the looped longing to be loved and belong and be cared for to the uphill climb to claim my own being to name "rabbit" regardless of the reaction.

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the loneliness is indescribable.  It is not interesting to read about I am sure but I have a need to write about the piercing pain of a lifetime of repressed and denied pain coupled with all that horrific pain the leached around the massive scar.  I ache.  I hurt.  Overwhleming pain, pain and anger.  In the middle of it.  Lonely to the core.  Using computer as an umbilical cord to life - not a good plan.  Must cut that false cord - very scary.
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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2010, 07:34:10 PM »
This can be a great place but it can be a lonely place at times too.

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Re: Another layer of the onion
« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2010, 10:10:05 PM »
Hey, from this end of this weird umbilical...

a big loving hug from a real person to real you.

I'm so sorry, GS, I know a little of what you're going through.

LOOOOOOOVE to you,

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