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ann3

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Re: Instinct and inspiration
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2010, 11:44:38 AM »
"Oh and larf = laugh, innit = isn't it"

Hey Portia,
I got it!!  I used to watch Eastenders!!  And, yes, the irony of giving NM that book!!

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Re: Instinct and inspiration
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2010, 02:34:03 PM »
Portia,

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PTSD is probably right, if I can remove the P and the D. Stress is not always bad; maybe repeated impatience stress is how I 'work'.

If you work that way, what works, works. I just want to fix everybody so they're all happy sleeping bunnies (and there are no wolves). Personally, I am a woman who runs from the wolves, howling.

I may have an antelope cliche going on this week, but there are so many extraordinary animals.

I like the portias. I admire them. Always glad to learn more about their characteristics.

I like the idea of changing species, like phamilies, too.

hugs,
Hops
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Re: Instinct and inspiration
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2010, 02:50:55 PM »
CB, thank you. If I were a wolf I'd be yipping at you.
I must read the Vasalisa story. Anything that hit you so powerfully, I want to learn from too.

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I have gotten much better at using my intuition since I quit announcing what I was intuiting.  The information is for MY benefit, and announcing what I know is sometimes counterproductive.  Much better to take what I know and use it to interpret what behavior and conversation comes after.  I am amazed at how quickly that muscle is strengthened, if I dont hand it to someone to criticize it but rather use it to be prepared for what comes next.


I learn so much from your sense of self-respect and self-protection. I have learned SO much from your dignity and intentional self-love.

I do not have that same kind of dignity. I am a voicehog and still over-disclose. Meaning, I announce practically everything. Hops is having a thought! Alert the media! It's SUCH an Npart of me. Even with 3-D friends. The good thing is...when I do have seizures of self importance...I usually just say something to acknowledge it. And they forgive. It has been so wonderful to finally learn that as indiscreet and foolish and overblabby as I am, I still am worth loving. I do have those other good and valuable sides. And that the terrible seriousness of my "offenses" is often exaggerated by me. And if anyone else would exaggerate my failings to me...or at least persistently so, because sometimes it HELPS...but persistently, they probably ain't really friendly. I do have loving friends who sometimes tolerate but always value me and most of the time enjoy my company. And I can risk being wrong.

Yes yes yes to your marriage story. God, well, that was a poor choice of word...ummm...Mama Wolf, that is such a pure example of what instinct, not suppressed by that training, would have told you:
This man is not eager and happy to commit, so I'll go look for, or wait until I meet, one who is.

I wouldn't have known or done any better either, were I in your shoes. There were scripts I was taught about what to want, that were far louder and better staged than my own efforts to figure out what I wanted. Relentless scripts and I know firsthand how much courage and depth of character (no matter how many decades) it took for you to stand up and stop it.

Your life since, from food to love...is such a repudiation of self-hatred. You are a beacon.

The good news, we ain't dead yet!

love to you, and so so so glad you decided to end that particular play rather than dying on stage in somebody else's costume....

Hops
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Re: Instinct and inspiration
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2010, 03:00:33 PM »
Ann, I LOVE your inner little F-you!

(I know, kids have to be taught that this is a particularly aggressive taboo, so fine, not out loud...)

But just thinking of it, as you wrote about it, it fit so well with the instinct idea. Thanks for sharing it.

The instinct in many animals involves ANGER. An instant snarl, baring of teeth, whirling to face a danger, claws out. I think considered that way, your potty-mouthed inner voice is a very fine example!

Not the term literally (oh what a wonderful example of our culture anyway, that this is our most horrid current antisocial expression...sex plus woman plus mother...just amazing...only a Victorian-descended culture would get there. Jeez. Or even that one. Oy. Balderdash. Maybe somewhere the most potent curse would be, WILT YOUR SPINACH! And kids there would have their mouths washed out with soap.)

But what a fine example in that your story is showing another manifestation of the instinct.

Well worth respecting for the meaning of it. Even if the vocabulary changes.

(Antelopes may be humming Ohhhmmm instead of F-you, but they're still wheeling. If they were attacked by something they could fight against, they'd surely be using their hooves.)

I love our instincts. They're not just whispers. Yours has sometimes been a shout. Bravo!

I like to think about the whisper one, for me, because I am so noisy in my head. I need to hear the whisper.

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Hops
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Re: Instinct and inspiration
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2010, 03:15:31 PM »
Darn:  I was trying to edit, & hit delete my mistake, but, here it is:  my little "F you" within.  Thanks, Hops:

Great post, Hops.  Makes me think of something I've recently become aware of.  Being raised by Ns & being a female, we are encouraged & brainwashed to disregard our intuition, to turn a deaf ear to our still small voice within.  But, I've come to realize that thru out my life, when someone has asked me or encouraged to do something that didn't feel right to me, there's been a voice within me that said "F you" to the person making the request/demand.  Sometimes, I'd go against my intuition & do what was requested/demanded & later regretted it, but, many times, I'd listed to the little voice within saying "F you" & refuse to do it.  Of course, there were consequences & punishments for refusing & I was shamed for it.  But, sometimes I'd verbalize my little "F you" within & of course, there were downsides to that too.

Now, I realize that my little voice within saying "F you" was my intuition.  Guess my intuition has a dirty mouth, but, my little "F you" within has allowed me to be true to myself.  So, lately, I've been thanking my little "F you" within.  I think it's kept me alive.  Since I've become aware of assertiveness (instead of aggression), I express the "F you" in a more refined manner, but I still hear it in my head.  So, thank you my little "F you" within!!

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Re: Instinct and inspiration
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2010, 04:41:20 PM »
((((((PR, Yoda woman))))))

I value whatever you have to say.
And respect any silences in between the lines.

I don't want to make a new myth about instinct, either. There are such times, in nature and in our lives, when instinct isn't enough and we just don't have enough power. Nature's beautiful, the source of life, and it's also brutal. The small and frail get eaten all the time.

But sometimes they get away.

The instinct is just one power. Not infinite. But I crave stories, like that date NLAS had and her realizations, and when people here post tales of immediate N-spotting and their recoil and self-protection, and assertiveness experiences, and all of those...that illustrate the instinct being heard and respected.

Probably because I want to and need to respect mine more. HEAR my inner whispers.

I think it's one we've got inherently and our children can be taught so much more radically to recognize and respect it in themselves...to reduce the numbers of tragedies and disasters. Not eliminate them, that will never happen, curse it. But reduce them. Hell if that avoided ONE instance of violence or violation, it would be worth millions spent on that kind of education and support for children. And it would avoid many more events than that.

Warning: fairly explicit description of abuse follows (though the attacks ultimately failed).

In my covenant group last night a woman told us her precious granddaughter, age 8, was just attacked a week ago. Her family went to a popular resort, the lobby was crammed with kids, and the Mom told them to stay together (ages 8 and 5) for five minutes while she re-parked the car. In that amount of time, a man dressed in the same color-combination the resort staff all wore (obviously planned), got in an elevator with her--she was wearing her sparkly cape her grandmother made and carrying her fairy wand. He pretended to be concentrating intently on a cell phone call so it wouldn't look suspicious to a casual observer that he'd also gotten on the elevator with a child. When they reached the next floor, he told her the attraction/play event she was looking for was "that way". She turned left, it was a dead-end alcove, and he was on her.

She would NOT open her teeth. She would NOT cooperate. She resisted so intensely and five minutes of went by and he finally ran. He did assault her but not with the success he wanted. She was praised and embraced and honored by every single person around her, including the police, for her resistance. Her grandmother believes she's going to be okay. Her spunk is still there. She's tired of talking about it but she's whole. Or if she isn't, this family will certainly help her to be.

Then her grandmother talked about another incident she'd heard about and what fierce relief it gave her. Two little girls, about 9 and 11, were grabbed off a sidewalk. Somehow the 9 year old got away while he sped off with her sister. The 9 y/o screamed, yelled, hollered, and went nuts screaming INSTANTLY. She was so loud that neighbors ran out immediately, a woman got the license plate number, and in a mile he literally rolled to a stop and tossed out the 11 y/o, unhurt.

The grandmother talked over and over about how miraculous this difference today is to her. These girls had been taught, intensely, in school, a four-word plan that literally reinforced their instincts against all the other cultural messages they'll be submerged in. For these kids, that support prepared them to REACT to their instincts and RESPECT them instead of freeze.

NO.
GO.
YELL.
TELL.


This training helped the 9 y/o be an antelope. And saved her sister.

But I don't think kids get enough of it, early enough, from enough people in the village.

rambling on...(sending much love).

Hops
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