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mudpuppy

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Sybil
« on: October 17, 2011, 03:26:49 PM »
http://www.salon.com/2011/10/16/sybil_exposed_memory_lies_and_therapy/singleton/

Interesting review of a book claiming "Sybil" and her 16 or whatever number of personalities was a fake.
If previously linked, my apologies.

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2011, 07:48:52 PM »
Hi Mud,
Do you remember Biddy?

I am certain she truly has/had DID...

broke my heart.

Hops
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Re: Sybil
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2011, 10:06:45 AM »
Mud

I'm pretty sure that many multiples are not many, but are just a few (if not fewer than that).



I found this article interesting and it really explained to me how such a thing can happen. Her description of herselves brings it home.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2011/sep/30/kim-noble-woman-with-100-personalities

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2011, 11:33:43 AM »
I wasn't making any general statement guys, just noting that the most famous multiple of all was apparently a fake and one which prompted subsequent over-diagnosis.
I have no doubt there is probably no practical limit to the pathologies the human mind is susceptible to.

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2011, 12:55:43 PM »
I wonder if it may be more a part of the overall trend to remove things from the DSM.  The treatment of the mentally ill has gotten worse in many ways in my lifetime, while the population seems to be growing.  In many cases mentally ill people are deprived of their rights, given no informed consent for treatments and chemically and physically restrained.  Not much progress there.  I don't Know about DID.  And even at the time, the movie seemed pretty spectacular, not to mention the degree of abuse she suffered. 

Am I the Biddy you mean?  Is there more than one biddy here?  If I am -- sorry I wasn't around for awhile -- dad died, cataract surgery, lost job, blah blah blah blah, disowned by remaining family... you know the drill.  :)

Love, Biddy 

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2011, 03:57:32 PM »
Hi Biddy--
Please forgive me if I've gone senile and mixed up folks. MAINLY, I should
not have referred to anybody's name with an associated diagnosis anyway.
Not appropriate and not my place!

My apologies, truly.

But the person I'm thinking of...was feeling threatened by a violent boyfriend and
in enormous pain, kind of fracturing...and did write that her issue was DID.

Please do forgive me if I mixed up folks (and for presuming to mention somebody
with such a tough challenge anyway, without asking permission.)

(Sheesh, self, boundaries much? Or maybe I'm senile.)

love,
Hops
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Re: Sybil
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2011, 09:15:46 PM »
bones nicknamed me biddy when I came here but no offense was taken -- just curious if you meant me -- sorry if I made you uncomfortable -- I don't think I have any idea where I fall on the mental health spectrum and I'm not sure that if a professional were to diagnose / quantitify the scope of my disorders that it would help me in any substantial way.  As long as I can function somewhat, perhaps I am better of not to know?

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2011, 10:55:03 PM »





The bothersome thing about this story is the gradation of truth.  Whom do you trust?

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2011, 11:34:56 PM »
Biddy, Lord above, I am so embarrassed.

It wasn't you at all. I was thinking of Bloopsy.
She really did touch my heart.

So very sorry for all the confusion, misdirection, etc.

Sheesh.

(You must've been completely bewildered by me going on...)

Forgive, please.

(You should see me calling people by the wrong names at coffee hour. My brain...)

Aarrgghh,

Hops
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Re: Sybil
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2011, 08:26:38 AM »
The whole Sybil thing - and Patty Duke's BP - all broke into the media about the same time: back when I was "poor Twigs" and dealing with some of the worst of my mom's worst symptoms. The good thing about that, was that previously this was one of many things that simply wasn't discussed "out loud" in those days -- right along with integration, civil rights, women's rights, etc. It was stigmatized as "shameful"; more a character flaw, moral weakness, developmental issue. Social awareness - and acceptance (though that's still a work in progress) - of psychological and emotional difficulties or illness actually created the level of empathy & understanding that now exists in some measure, in our society. Dr. G will perhaps remember how things changed from the professional perspective as far as diagnosis, definitions and treatment of the person is concerned.

As far as Sybil's story now being debunked as a fraud... well, someone recently claimed to have proof that Einstein's theory of relativity is wrong, too. It seems (to me) that on all fronts of life right now, there is this energy in world that wants to reinvent the wheel in almost every place I look. That the old truths that were once so "evident", the old social etiquette and manners, the significance (and mathematical result) of 2+2 simply aren't good enough, true enough, or "something" enough for this era and the people in it... and there is the movement of searching for, experimentation with, longing for... something concrete, immutable, absolute "truth". Even words are morphing - the meanings, denotation and connotation - so that it's even having an impact on people's thoughts, which we all know... is the "usual suspect" for influencing our feelings for both good and bad. (or at least, that's the THEORY...)

I have the feeling, that eventually, things will evolve right back to where they once were, are now. What the Tibetans call the "The Wheel of Life".


[Aside to Hops: Hey, Hon don't feel too bad. I can think of someone else who was here, that also fits the DID profile... but the old brain just isn't coming up with her name AT ALL. There is only so much hard drive space that I can utilize at once... and now I have to figure out which "external drive" I archived all that info/data on... too!]
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Re: Sybil
« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2011, 01:23:14 PM »





The bothersome thing about this story is the gradation of truth.  Whom do you trust?

tt






Trust for what, TT?


PR: Plus ça change (plus c'est la même chose)?

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2011, 01:55:25 PM »
Hi PR,

I would personally like to not read that other member's name if you do recall it.

I feel I was wrong to name anyone, correctly or not. (My opinion--don't need forgiveness
or permission or approval -- that's just where my reflection has guided me.)

Filing down my triangulation skills...  :!:

tx!

Hops
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Re: Sybil
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2011, 04:35:38 PM »
Oh, just trying to wake up some exhausted brain cells, Hops... won't have time to post much of anything for a bit yet (and that's all questionable as tired as I am!).

FW: exactement!
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Re: Sybil
« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2011, 08:52:11 PM »





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Plus ça change (plus c'est la même chose)?

So true,

tt

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Re: Sybil
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2011, 12:13:33 PM »


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The bothersome thing about this story is the gradation of truth.  Whom do you trust?

It appears that the doctors developed a situation/story where truth and lies were expected to go for truth; that the patient cooperated probably more as a pawn than as a player.  The public accepted it then and is now examining the story to see what is truth and what is a lie.  I say good luck.   I think this sort of thing happens far more often than we know and is not limited to psychologist and their patients.   

tt