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Certain Hope

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Re: Why Does Boundary Setting Feel so Traumatic
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2006, 07:06:48 PM »
Hi Kelly,

  Well, I guess it depends what "we'll see" means. If it means "I don't want to talk about this, so I'm putting you off indefinitely and I hope the subject never comes up again", then I wouldn't like it either  :?    I think I only use the expression with my kids... cuz it's different with adults... seems like whatever the question or proposition is, it should involve more discussion and explanation in an adult setting, I think. Too much explaining to the kids sets up a whole other set of problems, so "we'll see" gives me time to think it over and talk it over with my husband before giving them an answer. Sometimes my husband says something like "we'll figure something out" ... which actually means, "I don't have a clue and I'm too tired to think about it now" ~ lol. O well. I'm just glad to not feel pushed to give an instant yes or no, but to take a bit of time and think things over  :)   I hope you have a great weekend!

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Hope

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Re: Why Does Boundary Setting Feel so Traumatic
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2006, 11:59:29 PM »

Hi Kelly and Hope,

We'll see,  was a necessary tool when my children were young.  It usually meant, I don't have the presence of mind to give you a thoughtful answer right now, but I'll get back with you soon.  And I did.

In adults, I'm always puzzled by the person whose first answer to everything  is always, No.  I asked someone who does that, Why?  Answer?  Because I already know exactly what I will do so no equivocation is required.  Anyone relate?

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Certain Hope

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Re: Why Does Boundary Setting Feel so Traumatic
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2006, 11:30:39 AM »
Hi Teartracks,

  Yes, I can relate to always saying no. For me, it sprang from a sense of being completely overwhelmed and not feeling like I could manage a single additional "yes" in my life. I think that always being prepared with a "no" stems from needing to have control/certainty in a life (purely an illusion, of course). Glad that phase has passed!!

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Hope

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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2006, 02:07:41 PM »
Hello to you, too, Teartracks!!  Well, I don't know which thread I read this one - "Hate the sin and not the sinner......"  It has the same negative connotation to me as "we'll see................"  Reason being - my nmom used that one on me when she forbad me to divorce my first husband...............(I actually stayed with him for five more years because I couldn't do anything my nmom wouldn't let me do - (that no longer happens after I had my blow up about four years ago..................))

But even though he had been with maybe 25 women during our marriage - that was the sin!!  He was the sinner who could be helped.  I don't know, analyzed to death, or forgiven by God?  Funny thing is, I always thought you had to ask for forgiveness and mean it!!

So "we'll see" for me has been - I am avoiding the subject.  I cannot be pressured into an answer right now.  So, like I said, I said something like..............................well you can take your "we'll see" and I am going to go do what I want - now!!

Yes, with kids, you have to set those kinds of boundaries or they can drive you to distractions!!  And empty your pocket book!
Kelly

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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2006, 03:08:05 PM »
hi kelly,

kids are the master manipulators, aren't they?   :)  but they're allowed... 

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Re: Why Does Boundary Setting Feel so Traumatic
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2006, 06:44:39 PM »
Kelly...I know what you mean.
Some of those edicts to love, from parents or teaching, can cause people to sacrifice themselves...
I have never truly sorted it out.
But a particularly painful 2nd marriage was the worst outcome of believing loving could cure all.

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« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2006, 11:02:46 PM »
We'll see and Maybe are big ones for me too. Like someone ele mentioned here, it means to my children that I can't collect myself at that moment to make a decision or that I need to take stock of something before I make a decision. Since I carry though on my promises, my children trust me enough to wait that bit and understand that the answer might be No.

In my house, we were promised all kinds of things and rarely did those promises ever become reality. I vowed never to do that to others in my life.

I can understand how We'll see can be used differently, though.

Thanks for the topic. A lot to ponder here.
Love, Beth
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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2006, 06:03:23 PM »
Boundary setting is so important.  Has anyone read Boundaries by Cloud and Townsend.  Gee, what a concept.  But you know, when living your life like a puppet for so long is the natural thing, and then you cut those marionette strings, you kind of drop.  And that poor puppet master - he keeps a tugging on those strings and when that puppet don't move............stupid puppet!
Kelly

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2006, 09:56:33 AM »
Hi Kelly,

  I've read it. In fact, it's what got me started on boundary setting when I was married to N. Gave it to one of my daughters to read, as well!

There are other Boundary books also... one on marriage and another for use with children, but I haven't read them yet.

Re: that puppetmaster... I used to think of N ex-husband that way. Picture this... you know how the puppeteer works behind the curtain so that only the "dummy" appears up front?
Well, for you, that curtain fell a while back, but N just doesn't know it. It doesn't even matter whether anyone else notices, because the important thing is that you see who is pulling the strings.
  You mentioned on another thread that you can't go to your mom to fix your husband. I used to tell my mother about some of my marriage difficulties and I remember feeling out of control about that... like, why in the world am I telling her these things?? I knew better than to give her any ammunition, yet I kept reloading her gun, knowing all along that it was pointed at me. Kelly, you can stop that cycle. You really can. You can look within yourself and find the reasons behind the scenes and take all of that to the one Person who can refill you, lift you up out of the pit, and strengthen you to stop repeating history.
I know that you can do this and I'm praying for you.

Love,
Hope

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Re: Why Does Boundary Setting Feel so Traumatic
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2006, 01:45:40 PM »



Hi Kelly,

Boundaries by C&T...Read it.  Loved it.  Changed me.  Better for the soul than Chocolate, and  that's some kind of good!

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« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2006, 11:00:26 PM »
That book was the first time I read that I could actually say NO and live.   Gee whiz, I wonder how I functioned all my life being pulled in one direction or the other.  I haven't read the marriage or children or dating boundary books but everything in my life would probably be going better if I had.  I do set boundaries with husband - I say things like, "There's the door if you don't like it...."  Well, maybe that's a little more than boundaries..................but I was jerked around by him in our first year of marriage so my boundary was either treat me better or there's the door!
Kelly

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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2006, 12:00:49 AM »
Regarding the situation with husbands... I've been married 13 years (Man, that is sooooo hard for me to believe) and I love my husband 96.43 percent of the time. There are times when he is a huge pain in the ass, and one of those times was a couple of months before he left for Iraq. I stupidly mentioned to my mother that we were going through a rough period and I got lambasted by her on how I should be spending more time with him and we should do things as a couple, yada, yada, yada... I mean for WEEKS I got this info from her. Of course it goes with what she believes in... that your relationship with your husband should come way before any concern about your children. But you know how she made me feel, too... like I was planning on abandoning our relationship because we had this short time of being distant. She has done it to me before too. That is why I am determined now to never talk to her about anything besides the weather again.
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2006, 08:34:52 AM »
That makes so much sense..................no, my mom thinks of my children above anyone...........that is the ONE thing that she has going for her.  Now, my husband, on the other hand, thinks I should put our marriage before the children.............Well, it was me and the girls for 6 years - all alone - a house like a sorority.............then he moves in and basically is an interloper and expects me to chose him over the girls.  Well, can't do it................they are more important to me than he.  Love him 50% of the time but not enough to choose him over the girls..............
Kelly

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2006, 09:58:21 AM »
Hi Kelly,

  Personally, I believe in the whole "two become one flesh" quality of marriage. To me, this means not just physical oneness, but also spiritual and emotional unity. As their mother, emotionally and spiritually, I don't become one with my children... but rather, my goal is to equip them with the tools they'll need in order to separate from me at the appropriate time. With my husband, since God brought us together and binds us in unity, I don't even consider it a matter of choosing him above my kids... we are one in unity over the kids.

   Kelly, I have a blended family and I know that my husband felt like an interloper at first. We all had to make room for him, since he moved into our home. Not just physical space, but emotional space, as well, along with an openness to welcome his input into what had become our routine, our traditions, and our patterns. We had to compromise alot and we also had to make a concerted effort to form new traditions that would be ours alone. It's been 2 1/2 years for us and we're still settling in. We could never survive if either of us considered our priorities as a choice between our mate and our kids. No way.
It's got to be "us", the family unit, with 2 parents presenting a united front to the kids... or everything falls apart at the seams.

   My husband has not always been deserving of my respect, nor have I always earned his respect, but I had to give him authority in our home. Yes, authority. Over the kids. I had to give it to him, because a woman ruling the roost will undo a man quicker than anything. That is what I believe. I watched my mother rule her house with an iron fist and it's rubbish, totally backwards. My husband and  have the understanding between us that we'll discuss things before he implements a plan with the children, but they know that he has full authority and that we are a team. Of course he's not going to get away with taking us along to help him rob a bank or something. I mean within reason, within the law, within the guidelines of rational, mature, adult behavior.  If I didn't make it clear to the kids that he is the man of the house in every sense of the term, they'd play us one against the other to no end and there would never be peace. They have tried, but we've just had to be sensitive to that and not allow it to go unaddressed.

   I used to be so afraid to bring up any problems. Some people I know would get all upset and angry and read their husband the riot act if he acted like an idiot, but I would just clam up and feel miserable. Now I know that excessive drinking or drug use or raging are definitely issues that need to be addressed and some firm boundaries drawn. It's not even that I got over my fear of conflict, it's just the fear of not speaking up has become greater. That's kinda why I'm writing to you now. I know alot of folks give advice and come across as thinking it's all so simple and why don't you just see it. But I really do know how hard it is to face some of the things that come up in marriage, and I certainly don't think I have it all figured out; I just don't want you to think your situation is impossible. See, to me it's not about trying to fix your husband, it's about creating a strong, secure home for your whole family. When I didn't know how to face up to the tough stuff, I never felt safe. Now I have much more confidence in my own ability to be direct and calm and not overreact, but it's taken alot of practice. I don't pray "Oh, God, make my husband a better man". Instead I pray, "O God, give me a heart of love for him and wisdom to know how to deal with these situations. Change me as You see fit and give me strength". It's not easy at all, but it works.

  I'm not sure what you mean by "choosing him over the girls", but allowing dangerous behavior to continue would not be choosing your husband at all. That would actually be choosing against him, I think. We need each other to hold each other accountable and talk some very straight talk lest either of us strays off the path. If my husband liked to get drunk, I'd tell him my concern for his own wellbeing and for my family and me. I'd offer my support in his efforts to quit and get involved in digging to the roots of the problem as much as I could. But if he refused to stop and refused to get help, I'd engage someone else to try to talk with him ... another Christian man, in our case. If he still didn't respond, I think we'd have to separate until he showed a sincere effort to overcome it and a willingness to be held accountable. That wouldn't be choosing my kids or myself above him, it would be choosing the truth above a lie and standing strong for my family. Really, it would be choosing life instead of death.

  In our life, it's God first, then marriage, then children. Has to be that way, from our perspective, because without the firm foundation, the rest crumbles.
Hope this helps.

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Hope

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Re: Why Does Boundary Setting Feel so Traumatic
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2006, 04:51:10 PM »
Well, Hope, sometimes I feel like there is hope for us.  I see a little light at the end of the tunnel.  Other times I want out as fast as possible but can't get there in my present situation.  So for me to honor him and somehow make him more important to me than my own flesh and blood - just can't do it.  He really hasn't stepped up to the plate and been any kind of a "father" figure.  He never had children so has no experience either.  He is a bit stoic and awkwardly backward and shy around people he doesn't know.  He would rather sit around and get drunk and try to hide that fact from my kids..................I threaten to reveal his secrets cuz I don't like those dysfunctional family rules.  So, no he doesn't get to be second.  It really is NOT God, husband, children in my book it is God, children, husband........................maybe in the future but not now and only if he shapes up.
Kelly

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