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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #105 on: July 09, 2014, 10:23:49 PM »
Thanks Hops! I'm nervously excited.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #106 on: July 09, 2014, 10:46:24 PM »
I really love these pages. They exude such gentle kindness.

Here is a bit I want to share with you:
Until then, do not be known. Stay near me and I will lead you through the maze where we are captives. I will lead you as gently as I can. I have already reclaimed much of myself and I can help you. And then you will help me.

Such words I have longed to hear. I longed to hear that from my mother, from my father, from my husband. That's what we should do for one another. I became completely jaded after my husband died. I longed to help my mother who both demanded my help and refused it.oh my heavens, it is a painful place to go but the other side beckons. I cannot resist the call.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #107 on: July 09, 2014, 11:14:28 PM »
He did not want to help but he did not want anyone else to help either. Rejected, demeaned but required to be present.

She offered no help but would passively demand help and then reject what help was offered. Total rejection but demanding my presence.

When I was interested in something, wanted to do something I had to be secret about it or it would be denied me. Though I have no feelings around this I know the sense of pain and loss are very great. That pain is merely deeply repressed. Feeling that pain cost me dearly in the past. Not feeling it costs me dearly in the present.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #108 on: July 09, 2014, 11:22:31 PM »

He did not want to help but he did not want anyone else to help either. Rejected, demeaned but required to be present.

She offered no help but would passively demand help and then reject what help was offered. Total rejection but demanding my presence.

When I was interested in something, wanted to do something I had to be secret about it or it would be denied me. Though I have no feelings around this I know the sense of pain and loss are very great. That pain is merely deeply repressed. Feeling that pain cost me dearly in the past. Not feeling it costs me dearly in the present.

 Hiding what I loved, what I longed for was part of the voicelessness. It was the invalidation of who I am.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #109 on: July 10, 2014, 08:11:03 AM »
Eww. I recognize that pattern. My Nmother did that too--
would require my presence on pretense terms. What she was
REALLY needing was an intimate adult friend or a T. My mother
had a twisted childhood and she needed to heal and grow.

She clutched onto me and I became her intimate, which I
wasn't strong enough to be of course, as a child. But she
could require my presence for trivia, and did. One of the
worst tensions I felt, for years, was due to her habit of just
calling my name from other parts of the house, over and over...
and I'd have to go. It was like a bell was rung...must scurry.

Then I'd get there and whatever she was focused on seemed
so trivial and I was desperate to do something (creative) for
my own mind/life -- but she broke my attention over and over
and over and over and over.

And yes, often whatever help I offered wasn't quite right.
I got to a point where I really didn't care about that. Do I
care if the books in the study are alphabetized or sorted by
category? No, Mom, but I will happily shelve them for you--
just please, please, please make a decision yourself. That
was it -- she really wanted hours of out-loud ruminating with me
as her audience. Exhausting.

Until she was vulnerable and genuinely needed assistance
and then I was at ease and even often happy in helping.
Compassion wasn't the problem when she was very vulnerable,
it was strong and deep and carried us both through. But when
she was a healthy, vigorous adult, her self-absorption was
still like a sand dune with no top. I just kept climbing and I
was a child trying to get my own footing--and her needs
and and her self-focus were massive, massive, massive.

Wow, that description of yours got me going, GS!

Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #110 on: July 10, 2014, 12:30:49 PM »
Hops, thanks for sharing. It is so helpful to hear your story. Though I find it very painful to read, I feel such compassion for you and the child we all once were. How similar so many threads of our stories are.  My mother would call or at times ring a bell for me to do something for her as though I were her servant. She would expend more effort to call me than it would have taken for her to do it for herself.

Would your mother intentionally sabotage your works of creativity?

My mother certainly did and her self-loathing directed on me  continues to leave me bound ( but not for long.)

Thinking of you - GS

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #111 on: July 10, 2014, 01:58:19 PM »
Wow Hops and GS I can relate to both of your observations.

GS the passive need for attention and all of that dynamic is prevalent with my NMom also.

Mine completely thwarted any creative attempts and also being my own boss/business even with 20 years of experience in the field. My Dad was an MD and invented a medical device, she thwarted that also, she thought it was a pipe dream, my brother was a graphic designer, started his own design firm with clients from a company he was laid -off, she thwarted that also indirectly through disapproval and when he encountered difficulties or cash flow blips, she pushed him back to working for someone else. Seems even highly credentialed and experienced, she had to control the choices. I see it now, but it took 20 years. I WILL start my own business and succeed with it... 

Bitch, witch,  she has the "itch" we long to be rid of......ugh.... :x

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #112 on: July 10, 2014, 06:24:48 PM »
I don't know that she thwarted me, exactly...I went on to publish a book and poems...
BUT--I vividly remember how she proclaimed SHE was a writer, and urged me to read
pages and pages of her tone-deaf, uninsightful reminiscences and homilies.

It was excruciating because I really did have a deeper gift for deeper writing,
and it was clear that she was (unconsciously, I believe) -- competing.

I think it did have the effect of me having a lifetime struggle to take my own
work as seriously as in fact, I probably should.

Interestingly, my Nboss has done a similar thing. I have to edit his work massively,
he's tone-deaf and unreflective in his writing, and I make him sound smarter and
more insightful. But in a public setting, he talks about how "we" are writers, as
though our talents are equivalent.

That what you mean?

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2014, 09:02:48 PM »
hiya GS and others,

This thread on childhood trauma is just something else. I can relate to many things posted but not all.

I see a partially disabled mother who was not available emotionally and a father who was a rage-aholic and beat his animals and 5 children.

From those 5 children, 4 were red-heads, I was in the middle and with brown hair. I was never popular with anyone. I was taunted, pointed at, laughed at (except for my mother who did nothing to stop it) At school, when I was 5 and Gr. 1, the girls chose their friends. Two were left over: Florence, age 14, in grade 8 and dating her uncle., and ME. I was really an ugly kid and was left out! Florence was even uglier than I. I must have thought that  appearance was the most important away back then.

When we moved to another farm, I was 8. I was put in the large bedroom with the 3 sisters. I wet the bed and they kicked me out, while Mom took me into her bed, as I never saw her share a room with Dad. He and my brother shared, while a downstairs bedroom fully furnished with a bed and 3 matching dressers, went unused. I just found out now that the tumour I had removed at 20 was a cause of incontinence, and I felt so ‘ignored’ about parents helping me with an issue.

When I was 10, I was changing clothes, with my door shut, but it gaped at the top. I heard giggles outside and shortly after that I was being called ‘Baldy’.  I was called that by all 4 siblings and finally figured out that, at 10, I ought to have had pubic hair. I never went to Mom about it. I can see now that the two younger ones were pressed into this without even knowing why and the 2 older was led by the 2nd eldest, the bully of the family.

From then on I have hated my body, and look at me now, 65 years later, disabled, deformed, my left leg shorter than the other, wheelchairs, crutches, flags, ‘Depends”, while the other 4 are still healthy (as can be in our 70s..)

It has all boiled down to my brother, the youngest, who shared secrets with me many years ago, and I always ‘loved’ him for it. Only he and I exchange emails. He has called me brave and other terms (his last email….“You "sound" very upbeat which is nice - shows how tough you are.”)

This business about sharing, etc. came from Dr. Grossman, where it clicked instantly.
 back on page 3“There is something crucial missing in your life, and that is an attachment to a loving, caring, empathic person. Without that attachment and the brain wiring that goes with it, all of your shame, pain, humiliation, “unlovability”, etc. will be lived over and over and over again in your life because it is the only wiring that exists…

I HAVE lived over and over and over again, all the hurts!….until 2002+ slowly,  the people here in B. C. have set a position in my life, that never existed with Family and Others in Ontario. I have just my brother and he has a way of writing that keeps me on a steady path, so I have told Karla that whenever I die, I want her to have contact only with him….not those that haven’t the time or words to ’support’ me in life.

I have a clinic full of Wound Care Nurses who look after me and we have piles of laughter. The big deal was they never looked for age and thought I was about 55. But I have to tell my age in the Health community for my health’s sake!  They go ga-ga!

Karla and Ellen are still with me and great! Ellen was doing the work in 2 hours (just a one-bedroom apartment) so was making less money than at the first when it took her 3 hours. Now she knows everything and I gave her a raise to keep her---yes to keep her---- and to keep her updated!

Maybe I never said but my lawyer ’cheated’ me by not telling me that all my expenses after the settlement are refundable to me, i.e this new battery chair ($7205.00--free flag), Karla’s Invoices, Ellen’s Invoices, Medications, Bath Lift, special cushion etc.---in just one year came to $15,500.00

As with Hopalong, she and I have in common the fact our daughters are gone from our lives. Just because I feel I’ll never see/hear from mine again, at 50, and 38? years, 5? years of no contact doesn’t mean that Hops won’t, when their estrangement is about 3? Years.

We can all have similar problems, but they start out differently and, at the same time, could end differently.

But the sharing I have done here, since year? and now with Karla and Ellen has made a must better life for me.

My struggles to make it all known are very difficult for me, as I feel my main problem, after checking constantly, is Reactive Attachment Disorder.

Good Luck, GS

Hang In

Xx
Izzy
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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #114 on: July 11, 2014, 11:41:50 AM »
Ales2, I ran the gamut of emotions when I read your post and ending up laughing with your clever little riff.

My therapist and I talked about this issues yesterday. She sabotaged me so many times. My therapist said she hated me - no doubt but in truth she was twisted lay conflicted and utterly unaware of her hatred and truth be told, I have known since a child, before I knew any psychology, that she really hated her sisters and I was just another one of them. Last month I figured out that the reason she was frozen at mental age 3 is because that is the age she was when her middle sister was born and she lost her mother's attention that she so desperately needed.

Love reading about your insights. I lift my glass to your success and to mine to follow - as soon as I get furloughed from prison -lol.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #115 on: July 11, 2014, 11:47:51 AM »
That's terrible Hops. A mother should celebrate the gifts and achievements of her offspring - not compete with them. We each receive and deal with things in our own ways but that is painful to read. We looked to our mothers to have ourselves reflected back. When we only see their ego our own selves are stymied. It is so hard to go back and get that healing - so very hard (but with every bit of effort.)

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #116 on: July 11, 2014, 12:01:51 PM »
Oh Izzy, I am so glad we can share here. Even if each of us have different experiences the pain and wounds we have in common are different from those the rest of the world experiences.few "outsiders have a clue of what it is to have a parent who was not loving or supportive. I needed love and support from within my family but I've also needed others to listen and hear my pain because that love was not there. Life long my own experience of rejection was rejected. That we can tell our stories hear and have them believed and sympathized with is salve on bone deep wounds.

BTW, I'm glad you have your brother who extends some support. I love what he wrote to you - such validation.

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #117 on: July 11, 2014, 12:43:14 PM »
Trusting this, trusting this:

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For some, getting in touch with feelings and buried memories is easy. For these lucky few, merely noticing the resistance will be enough to overcome it. It will be simply a process of seeing the wall and walking around it or over it or through it. For others, for most of us, it's not that easy. The vast majority of us have childhood programming and societal restrictions to overcome, and the gap we experience between our consciousness and our feelings is a door that is not only shut, but 6 feet thick, made of concrete, and securely locked.

Be Clever...

I've become aware over the years that my resistance is slippery. A tactic I used yesterday may not work today. My resistance has become expert at avoiding me and real release. But I have become expert at watching for and finding where my resistance is holding my real pain hostage. Be creative, be flexible, and most of all, be persistant. You cannot fail if your true intent is to bring in and heal all of yourself.

Here is a list of some techniques that have been helpful in getting through that locked door: [\quote]

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #118 on: July 11, 2014, 07:02:48 PM »
I had the weirdest dream last night. I was in c'oeur d'alene, Idaho. (Never been there.) the hills were shaped like thimbles, very steep but not very high. All were green, lushly green. Some were meadowed and others forested, all were beautiful, breath-taking lay.  Some houses were on the tops of the hills and others on the side. All were very well protected, none could be approached without warning.  I was driving on a rolling, curvy road in a beautiful neighbourhood.  I stopped to speak with a couple with whom I was acquainted. The young man was hefty, bearded and was wearing shorts and leather sandals that had straps around the ankle. I noticed his feet because he also wore socks that had very ornate cuffs with several stiff triangular pieces that stuck up and had beautifully crocheted lace edgings. I was trying to put it all in perspective when I woke up.

I would love for a jungian to analyze that for me!!!

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Re: Still need to work through early trauma
« Reply #119 on: July 11, 2014, 07:10:03 PM »
Ok, one more post. (When I go through these healing periods I find myself unable to stop talking, talking, talking. I think it is the undieing need to connect, to be heard, to be affirmed. It would come from that deep, deep, wound of primordial rejection.)

So I have decided to try the healing protocol suggested at cyquest.com.  I am trying to get out of my head and allow the feelings to release. No question, being in my head is my place of comfort. Not sure why, just sure it is so.  So earlier I went to youtube and searched for "tearjerker" videos. I could watch myself toggle back and forth between mind (seeing connections) and pain.  Not surprisingly, I am very much in touch with my anger.

I had such an interesting experience watching my anger expose itself to me yesterday when having to meet with a banker over my mother and father's estate issues.

The progress is coming but I have only ONE goal. To be released. I pray that getting through the self-hatred with be the cork that let's it all flow.

So thankful to have a place to come with my stuff.