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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1275 on: September 17, 2025, 11:38:53 AM »
When I think about these awful feelings (rage, resentment, loathing) about men lately, and then as you remind me, set them in the context of today's politics, they make perfect sense.

I'm afraid of the unleashed beast. And continue to love many good men, who don't spend all day searching for validation of their own anger and distress.

I keep thinking back to the primary lesson from the Hoffman research, in which they tracked couples for decades, interviewing and videoing their interactions over time. The finding that settles me most back to my own values when my toxic resentment stirs is that the Number One predictor of divorce is contempt. Things said, facial expressions, eye rolls, etc. Once contempt appears and sticks, we're divorcing. Take a cult, a golden calf, and poor education or low-quality information from isolated, bad-faith people either broadcasting or online who pot stir and add contempt...America is divorcing itself. Heartbreaking. But maybe we can turn aside in time...we have 400 days to steer sane.

Lighter, I watched a remarkable interview with Tia Levings and thought you would enjoy it. Tia is remarkably intelligent, understands deconstruction profoundly, and connects it all up in a way I found both exhilarating and comfortingly realistic. I particularly thought you'd like what she says about intuition and healing from trauma. A lot of it is Lighteresque.

Another I rambled onto is Monte Mader who you (and maybe Amber) really might like--who grew up running cattle on a 4000 acre Wyoming ranch and built a truly powerful, healthy sense of herself in the world.

The upside of the internet for me is these positive discoveries, and conversations like the ones we have on this board.

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PS - Neither of these women TODAY is angry or fearful or anxious.
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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1276 on: September 17, 2025, 11:51:59 AM »
I'd say it's human to respond to danger, injustice and threat, to the vulnerable many, in some emotional way, Hopsy.  Esp when the systems hold the vulnerable down, IME.

But....what IF there was zero reactivity?  Would we then become God's and Goddesses? 😉

Will look up your suggested info, and thanks.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1277 on: September 17, 2025, 01:09:25 PM »
I have the answer.....Q anon friend is on mission to save trafficked children.

And sight see.

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« Reply #1278 on: September 17, 2025, 03:22:14 PM »
Wish that mission success, wondering how it'll be organized.

I admire your openness to people with views I can't understand.
I think some of my views are distorted too. It's openness and
curiosity that help. I don't always have the best judgement about
when toleration becomes an exploitable weakness, though.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1279 on: September 17, 2025, 03:48:20 PM »
One of my daily draughts of sanity,
from a tremendously respected person,
Heather Cox Richardson, who has educated
me so much.

https://open.substack.com/live-stream/60364?utm_source=email&utm_campaign=new-live-stream-email

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1280 on: September 18, 2025, 11:50:58 AM »
Turns out I'm a conservative!

A Lincoln conservative!
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« Reply #1281 on: September 18, 2025, 01:52:16 PM »
I just finished listening to Break Free Of Toxic & Emotionally Immature People (EIP), Parents & Relationships by Lindsay C. Gibson on 10% Happier Podcast on YouTube..... I'm organizing tools.  Playing podcasts in background.

Really good stuff. 

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« Reply #1282 on: September 18, 2025, 02:22:26 PM »
Hops:  My Q friend is interviewing relief organization leaders....sending those interviews and pics of people he's "working with."

He seems focused on raising awareness, and gaining support for this cause.  In one interview, the gentleman speaking claimed Russian soldiers forcing orphans, into training camps, was a very large problem.  I'm afraid Q friend is very pro Putin right now ....
he won't like the sound of that, imo.

I do wonder why Q friend never mentioned child abuse/trafficking and hunger, etc in his own back yard.  Well .....I suspect it's bc he's being directed, to care about particular things, in his news feed.  Most of his evidence is forwarded from Rumble.

He's visited the PANDA CENTER, a protection advocacy center for survivors of sexual exploitation and abuse/Save Ukraine child rescue.

He's been on the buses used to ferry children out of war zones.

Mostly, he's seeking ways to advocate for, and help, children in the Ukraine, bc he's of the opinion a huge child organ harvesting ring is operating there......which is reason to withdraw US support and allow Putin to take what he wants .....as I understand Q friend's reasoning.

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« Reply #1283 on: September 19, 2025, 11:41:06 AM »
Jeebus.
That's a huge amount of fantasy, but he's still trying to do good.
Can't fathom pro-Putin by anyone, except for the subliminal attraction to power.

Wow. I couldn't sit at peace with someone so untethered. Takes more guts than I've got. I fear extreme folks but don't hate them. Hate makes me nauseous.

And you're right; reacting with honest raw feeling to what's going on IS human. I'm anger-phobic in many ways because I'm a coward. Or wired too sensitive to know how to endure it. I think Peak Awful is still some distance ahead so I'm emotionally hunkered and bunkered a bit these days. I guess we do what we can to survive.

I've been grieving for the America we could have been. Not enough of us chose to pull way back from our prejudices to give the flawed but more humane side support. I don't know if that will ever change now that Pandora's box has been ripped open. I'll hold up hope anyway as it's a better way to live.

I believe anti-social media and the conglomerates willing to profit from anything at all are our main culprits. Unleashing social media on a credulous populace was like handing bombs to toddlers. It's been the social equivalent of radioactivity in fun packaging.

I'm sure going to miss the comedians.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1284 on: September 20, 2025, 10:45:09 AM »
Baby girl pug learned how to use her brand new buttons.
Yesterday.
Three minutes into meeting the blue "treat" button.

She just used it. 3x, and sits staring at m.....well.....4x.

Her other buttons, which she's also using ...
Potty/red
Walkies/yellow
and....
Feed me my damn dinner/ green.

I
She just hit the green button ....I put food in her bowl every time. 
::putting green button up::.

She's currently smacking the blue button around like it owes her money....I can feel her brain burning.....trying to make connections..... she's frustrated now.  Either the back and forth, is bugging her OR she thinks the button is holding it out on her at times.

Today's delightful journey continues.
Imperfectly....perfect.
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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1285 on: September 20, 2025, 11:15:35 AM »
Seems Q friend is hot on the trail of child trafficker...


:: drumroll::.






Nancy Pelosi.

Oh .....and he sent a chart on groups most likely to commit murder.... specifically pointing out AA women more likely to murder than white men.

I guess I don't need to ask for an update.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1286 on: September 20, 2025, 11:45:16 AM »
When I think about these awful feelings (rage, resentment, loathing) about men lately, and then as you remind me, set them in the context of today's politics, they make perfect sense.

But it's not just men, is it, Hops?  It's more common. More threatening.  More obvious and in our faces, but the "political climate" has the same group of bad actors, enablers, DIM thinkers and advocates every group of....every group of misguided people, being lead by a.....naughty strongman, has.  I gave up deciding which group, within the faction, is more maddening.

I'm afraid of the unleashed beast. And continue to love many good men, who don't spend all day searching for validation of their own anger and distress.

I continue to love many good men, also.  Imperfect, but good men.  As for the " unleashed beast" aspect.  Are you speaking of your own appropriate anger response?

I keep thinking back to the primary lesson from the Hoffman research, in which they tracked couples for decades, interviewing and videoing their interactions over time. The finding that settles me most back to my own values when my toxic resentment stirs is that the Number One predictor of divorce is contempt. Things said, facial expressions, eye rolls, etc. Once contempt appears and sticks, we're divorcing. Take a cult, a golden calf, and poor education or low-quality information from isolated, bad-faith people either broadcasting or online who pot stir and add contempt...America is divorcing itself. Heartbreaking. But maybe we can turn aside in time...we have 400 days to steer sane.

Ih, I think about it too.  Particularly when men look at me/speak to me/sneer at me with disdain.  I wonder about it in a spiraling loop of frustration, so far, without resolution.

Lighter, I watched a remarkable interview with Tia Levings and thought you would enjoy it. Tia is remarkably intelligent, understands deconstruction profoundly, and connects it all up in a way I found both exhilarating and comfortingly realistic. I particularly thought you'd like what she says about intuition and healing from trauma. A lot of it is Lighteresque.

Really enjoyed it. Thanks, Hops.

Another I rambled onto is Monte Mader who you (and maybe Amber) really might like--who grew up running cattle on a 4000 acre Wyoming ranch and built a truly powerful, healthy sense of herself in the world.
Will look that up: )

The upside of the internet for me is these positive discoveries, and conversations like the ones we have on this board.
This board's been a powerful touchstone in my life too.  Thanks again, Doc G.
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Hops

PS - Neither of these women TODAY is angry or fearful or anxious.

Lighter, currently angry/fearful and anxious about asbestos flooring in the upstairs bathroom.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1287 on: September 21, 2025, 09:33:32 AM »
Q friend is sending video on laser beam weapons, or Directed Energy weapons. This, after I asked what can be done to end the child abuse.....he wrote "They have to be taken out."

Then he sent a video claiming the fires in California were set to empty the evil neighborhoods of pedophiles.....military in control, taking ownership of all the property.

He also claims the child trafficking perpetrators in Ukraine have already been "dealt with."

I'm surprised by the chemical dumps, I  experience, as I engage with the videos and information.  It's designer news feed.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1288 on: September 21, 2025, 02:25:49 PM »
Lighter, I'll withdraw from following tales of your Q friend further for now. But it's been an education. To learn or imagine much more about his mind wouldn't be salubrious for me at the moment, is all. So much darkness afoot. I channel my own attraction to darkness into crime and mystery shows/documentaries.

The unleashed rage-beast isn't in me. I majored in quailing. I do fear and recoil from others' rage. These days, I normally do that simple self-interview if I feel some anger: What is this feeling covering, hurt or fear? That's really all I need to redirect or get to a productive analysis. Comfort the scared child within and remember, she had her reasons but today is only today. And I'm okay.

Hope you are too. So much action in your life that it's dizzying. Glad things seem to be moving forward, mostly in ways you like.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #1289 on: September 22, 2025, 09:00:10 AM »
I'll second Hops' observation of the proliferation of darkness right now.

I don't have any theories; yet. But some symptoms are heightened anxiety of all stripes, fear that everything is spinning out of control. Some of it is people off their meds or the meds are no longer having the desired effect. Some are in the midst of a major relevalation of cognitive dissonance - what they perceive as reality in direct conflict with what they are TOLD is reality by some media source or another. The sense of alienation and betrayal when a previously "trusted" institution is presented in a not so worthy light.

Oh yes, there is the unlimited outrage, sheer rage against anyone/thing, and maximum confusion.

This is a good time to be a hermit and extremely selective about what information one consumes or allows into one's brain. Be as polite and civil as we've been programmed to be; and keep your head on a swivel - don't hang out in large groups of people any longer than neccesary. When you must interact with "society" - do so with clear purpose and don't be distracted.

Hol of course, thinks that's just self-defeating but she doesn't appreciate how slowness, developing physical frailties, or even perceptual limitations can be actual vulnerabilities to predators for us oldsters. (Intinctively, she does; she just doesn't get the intellectual side of it yet; still thinks everything is "fixable".) Yet she is also quietly retreating from a high level of contact with the "external world" - even tho she has a multi-state trip planned end of this week.

The astrology of this time is unusual - in that it doesn't happen often. I see mention frequently, of something big ending; something big beginning. I don't understand enough of the relationships/celestial bodies - or just simply don't believe it enough - but there are multiple things occuring in the "other realms" right now. I've been sensitive to some of them, all my life and have not seen the activity at this level before - it's quite high.

We're going through a drought after a soggy spring/early summer. Temps are cooler (overall) than normal. And bigger swings. However, it IS still within the normal cycles over decades. Earthquake/volcano activity is up - as is solar impacts.

So, while I don't have any conclusions yet, it's clear this is a time of huge uncertainty in the collective consciousness. Nothing's totally predictable (except taxes and possibly inflation). That's a fear that can present as huge, present and dangerous... or receded to a "back of the mind" awareness anxiety that spills out sometimes. Some people trend to the darkness - others seek out communal support and conviviality; caring and light. Some oscillate between the two. Overall - I feel the impact of negative emotions when I'm out in public; reading all the cues too. And yet, I'm also finding little bubbles of authentically kind and caring people, who aren't afraid to show themselves when acknowleded.

Sometimes, it's important to hold both darkness and light together (it's the yin/yang principle) and undertand that moments in time (and events within time) change and pass.
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