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onlyrenting1

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« on: December 23, 2004, 11:17:04 AM »
My N-husband wrote this comment to his friends, I thought it was odd.


Quote >>>"Maybe it is just me but I think OJ & Peterson are innocent , I've been married 26 years & I haven't thought about killing my wife so especially with OJ . No father would leave his kid to wake up & find their mother slaughtered no matter how much they fought "<<<<Quote

WOULD YOU THINK THIS IS A STATEMENT TO VALIDATE HE IS RATIONAL? OR REALLY THINKS ABOUT IT ???

My N-H has never been Violent. OJ, was Scott, never appeared to be.

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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2004, 12:08:43 PM »
I think he's a narcissist who believes that OJ and Scott Peterson share the same views, feelings, and ideas that he has. Everyone is exactly like him, I guess!

How did you see a quote that he wrote to his friends?

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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2004, 12:39:51 PM »
Thanks for responding.

My husband has a web site and because we share the same dialup connection I can see his chat room replies.
Only the members can see what is being said. He doesn't know I can see this so I check it often to see what is going on.  I'm nosey....

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2004, 12:49:04 PM »
Maybe he thinks he knows the absolute truth about some things (what men will and won’t do, maybe) and he probably can’t imagine that some people aren’t exactly the same as him.

Perhaps he has limited imagination, no empathy and is afraid of entertaining the idea that some people might be brutal killers.

Or he’s being deliberately challenging to whoever he is writing to and doesn’t believe what he’s written at all.

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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2004, 12:51:22 PM »
How do you know that he doesn't know that you are looking at this stuff?

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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2004, 01:32:47 PM »
Because  he has made comments how only members can see it. Of course I'm not a member. I know because I'm his wife and he would love to  be very upset with me if he knew.  But there is always a chance. I just don't believe he knows by other comments I've read.

Bunny, You think he's just a big N and thinks others think like him.
view life as he does.
OK, this is another view of an N I hadn't digested yet.

Maybe he is searching how others view the Idea of killing your wife and how sane he is to think he would never...

Not sure what to think just thought it ODD  onlyrenting1

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2004, 05:27:16 PM »
If he's an N, then he is probably consumed with defending himself, thus tends to mentally associate with the feelings of the accused.
  So...  I think he was being sincere in saying he could never imagine himself murdering his wife and mother of his children... and thus can't imagine how OJ or anyone else could either.
 
  Honestly, I'd take comfort in it.  Not comfort in the fact he's NPD, but in the fact he's stated to a neutral crowd of listeners that he could never imagine doing such a thing.

  -Gene

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2004, 09:23:24 PM »
Quote >>>"Maybe it is just me but I think OJ & Peterson are innocent , I've been married 26 years & I haven't thought about killing my wife so especially with OJ . No father would leave his kid to wake up & find their mother slaughtered no matter how much they fought "<<<<Quote


Hi OnlyRenting,

Honestly, I think it's really hard to try to accurately decipher a deeper meaning in what he said.  

At face value, it just sounds like regular chat room banter to me.  A lot of people are talking about the Scott Peterson ordeal at this time, and you would find both those who would disagree with what your husband said, and those would would agree.    

If we look at it more closley specifically because it is someone with NPD saying this, then I would say that I think N's could either identify with other abusers and thus defend their innocence (as they feel defensive about it personally) like someone already mentioned, or very openly condemn and abhor the behaviors of the others, all the while committing the same and worse, themselves.  My xN always talked the moral and emotional high ground, condeming others who violated these things, but did not behave it himself in many ways.

So again, it could go either way, and I'm really not at all certain that you can gage much from just that chat room statement.  It is living with him day in and day out, and observing many things that can give you the best idea on his stance about, or possible propensity vs. not toward physical violence, if this is your concern.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2004, 10:08:19 PM »
BT thanks for your perspective.

I don't expect to get a whole lot of insite on this chit chat.

All of this N-Stuff is still new to me. It's difficult to know somethimes what is truley,Factual, and honestly going on in an N's head.

I heard it mentioned about S.Peterson, being an N. I know it's the Buzz right now and It's likley why he was talking about it.

I just thought it odd.
In my phase of knowledge and observations I'm looking at all the signs big and small.
I would like to think as I digest What an N is and his behaviors I can make a decision to either save this relationship or let it go.

My Husband is also about to come into a lot of money and sometimes I get the feeling he would consider our daughter and myself as a Big anchor. I don't fear him to hurt anyone but again I'm only on alert.

My Love for my husband is being set aside for now until I sort things out.
My Observations are daily and I learn so much from reading the message boards.  Most of all I'm learning about myself.

Please keep sharing your thoughts...Thanks

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2004, 08:25:39 AM »
onlyrenting1,

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My Husband is also about to come into a lot of money and sometimes I get the feeling he would consider our daughter and myself as a Big anchor. I don't fear him to hurt anyone but again I'm only on alert.


I might feel uneasy, too (about the OJ/Scott Peterson comment). You've mentioned thoughts about ending the marriage and moving elsewhere. You've also mentioned your N-husband is in poor health and it's one reason you feel obligated to stay in the marriage. Doesn't knowing he'll have financial resources free you up to make decisions in the best interest of you and your daughter? Have you considered that his coming 'into a lot of money' might be one reason you're staying in the marriage?

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« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2004, 12:13:01 AM »
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Question: Do you stay because of the hope of money?

This question can be complicated after being together for 26 years you find emotion and family all ties in.

1...After 5 years of little money on his part if I left him, setting up 2 house holds as Divorced people do, is not possible for either of us.
So we stay together to help eachother at this point. (Yes)

2..If money came into the picture he would be able to support himself and set up another house hold on his own.  I would feel better knowing our daughter could come visit him in a house rather the homeless shelter.
(YES)

If we move as a family I would have a better job and family to help us emotionaly as well as financialy.  I would like to be with family for our daughter and my husband also. We're on our own here.
Sometimes this is important to my husband then he changes his mind.

My Husband may decide not to move because he has N- issuies.
I plan on moving because of family and a better Job.
After his bodycast comes off were planning on moving.

N-Issuies I see are -
1. Not being able to work the job he used to do.
finding substantial work may require his brothers help.
(the ego may not allow this)

2. Being obligated can be difficult for anyone.
My husband may only think of how he may need to bite the bullet for his family. This may be too much.

3. He may decide to stay here in hopes something (his mother's money)  or W.Comp settlement will save him from not having his ego threatend.

If he cared about this family he would want us all including his brother's kids to have an Aunt and Uncle and a cousin in their life too.

I just now told him the job I have here is cutting hours for most people.
He said "well if someone ask you to take another job that pays more take it. Don't say I kept you from taking a better job."

I told him "well then I should move now to Dallas, where their beggin me to come up there, they need help. Then he stops cold.

So it's not even about where I will be and what matters to me. I have 5 years with this company and health insurance that we all need.

I'm trying to hard to sort this out, I think....What ever Happens, Happens.

People get ugly when money comes into play. I have always worked hard and find it kinda of scary how people change because of money.
Maybe I watch too much news and Forensic TV.

Thanks for your time.  onlyrenting

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« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2004, 12:32:28 AM »
onlyrenting1- has your husband ever showed things like compassion and empathy toward you?

onlyrenting1

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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2004, 01:13:02 AM »
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I feel like this is such a trick question. Like If I say " Yes "then no problem he wouldn't kill you. I'm glad to get that straight.

Could you give me some yes and no questions on compassion and empathy? I think it would be at what levels it could apply.

He Loves animals he can be so caring for helpless animals and becomes quite emotional over them. I knew this was a big plus to me when we met.

But when were talking about divorce he threatens to put our dog to sleep because it would be difficult to move with a large dog.
I tell him I will put him to sleep before that would happen.

I guess what makes an N tick and function are at all different levels.
He has never been physical, he loves animals and has never hurt one.

Give me some examples of how he could show me empathy and compassion. I will then be able to look at that with an honest answer.

Sorry for being stupid but I'm N-numb and would like to look at this question as you are meaning to put it to me.

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« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2004, 02:54:13 AM »
Thanx for your reply. Sorry--maybe it is me that should have been more clear.i was asking because i was wondering how you knew he was NPD for sure. People with full blown NPD do not habitually show compassion and empathy toward their partners--so that is why I asked. i was wondering whether he was ever diagnosed or whether you began to read about NPD and it made you think--but you are still trying to decide if he is NPD versus maybe another kind of personality disorder or even versus just having anger management issues or something else entirely.That kind of thing.

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« Reply #14 on: December 25, 2004, 08:04:14 AM »
Dear onlyrenting1,

I have never been in a 26-year marriage, so I can only imagine the myriad incidents, behaviors and examples you must be sorting through to determine whether your husband is an N, has N-traits, or as it's been suggested, has other undetermined issues. I certainly can understand the numb feeling you describe.

Had it not been for our couples counselor mentioning NPD, I might never have been able to pinpoint what really went down with my ex-fiance. It wasn't until after the breakup and I was seeing this counselor individually that I began to investigate NPD. The more I learned, the more it became clear that this was the crux of the situation with my ex-N. Prior to that I had only considered that he was an alcoholic who wouldn't embrace recovery.

At first everything I read or learned applied to him -- his tendencies and behaviors. Gradually during the weeks, then months, after the breakup I began to look at myself. Since most of the focus during the relationship had been his needs, his agenda, even his kids and their problems, I allowed him to become the center of my universe. It became necessary to shift the focus back to me: what I did, my behaviors and tendencies.  Admittedly, I didn't like what I saw -- a woman who had given up her freedom, sense of independence and sense of self in exchange for an unhealthy relationship that ultimately hijacked my life. I even allowed the relationship with my daughter to take a back seat.

My point in sharing this is to convey the idea that we run the risk of continued codependency if the N remains the focus in our lives. Without outside help we may think we're diagnosing behaviors, traits, etc. but I wonder if this isn't better left to a professional? Otherwise the pattern continues -- we're obsessed about our Ns -- which is right where they want us.

So I am wondering if you've considered counseling? This might give you the balance and perspective needed to sort through all of this.

Best,
bludie
Best,

bludie