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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2005, 11:57:12 PM »
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Was there some reason to put down some people in order to praise others...



Hi,

I didn't mean it as a put-down to say that some people have counseling skills while others do not. For example: I have counseling skills but I do not have art skills. I have language skills but I do not have engineering or mechanical skills. I have skiing skills but I do not have basketball skills. We all have different skills. I will say however, that one really good relationship skill to have is the ability to affirm feelings rather than immediately give advice and solve problems. There is a time and place for problem solving, and it is always after feelings have been acknowledged.

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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2005, 05:57:50 AM »
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I live in California. Where are you?


I am in the dreary Midwest where gray, cold, snow and rain have been quite consistent. Sunny California sounds pleasant although the mudslides don't.

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An aside: in these posts, you can see who has counseling skills and who does not. Those without counseling skills jump right to advice-giving and problem solving. Those with counseling skills first acknowledge and affirm the feelings. You are in the second camp.


Although I very much appreciate the compliment, confused2, I wonder if these comments aren't biting the hand that feeds you, so to speak. As your thread shows there have been MANY thoughtful and relevant posts to offer help/advice/clarity on your situation. I'd like to direct us all back to mywifeandI's first post where he said:
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<This> is a meeting place of imperfect, hurting people who are hurting and healing and who desperately need each other. I hope we can put this accusation behind us and get on with our mission. Our mission is to help each other to heal from the targeting of N’s and to regain our dignity and voice. All that I can say to each and everyone of you is, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. You are beautiful, You can cry, you can love, you can feel, you can change, you are made in the image of the one who is above all, through all, and in you all. Hugs to you, be healed.


Each and every time we post, I'd like to think our problem is reduced and our insight is increased by the feedback we receive. Most, if not all of it, is valuable.

Because as flower said:
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When voices get harsh here, we are speaking from our problems, our own pain or cluelessness. Hopefully, any harshness here is a just a stage in the growth from voicelessness to get past. For none of us wants to be like our abusers. Sometimes we only see our mistakes in retrospect. We are all learning , certainly I am still learning. Our perspectives are changing as we grow


As to what confused2 wrote:
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I am feeling quite restless in my career and have plans to see a career counselor. Funny, because when we were engaged, I felt perfectly happy in my job. But now, I am feeling bored and restless. In other words with marriage in the offing, that was going to be my source of adventure at least for a while, but without that, I need to create it somewhere else and my career is a natural place to examine.


I am at the same place and considering a course of graduate study. It would be a big commitment and I'm evaluating this carefully so I'm  content with my decision a year from now. It would not only mean staying here for the next two years (and I have a bad taste since our first months were polluted by the N-experience, breakup and aftermath) but giving up some summer evenings in the garden to be in a classroom.  :(  However, it's the perfect time in my career and life to consider this option. Previously my schedule was TOO full so I am at a place where the vessel is empty, so to speak, and I can carefully consider what to add to my life.
Best,

bludie

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2005, 07:15:50 AM »
Hello all. I’m going to a new thread because I don’t want to clutter this one. I’m talking about this thread in the new one.

Confused2, I have some thoughts about passion and romance if you want to talk about it and there are lots of books about women and relationships (Women who love too much etc). Is passion doomed? What is passion? Is it just sexual attraction? Isn’t that a bit boring? Etc etc.

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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2005, 12:23:56 PM »
**I didn't mean it as a put-down** to say that some people have counseling skills while others do not. For example: I have counseling skills but I do not have art skills. I have language skills but I do not have engineering or mechanical skills

Sorry- but that's such a sorry and obvious total cop-out & backpeddling. It is obvious what you meant by anyone with a half a brain cell & it would have been nice if you'd have just said you felt uncomfortable with some things being presented to you in some messages [which is what happened] & apologise that you said what you did the way you did, as a result--

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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2005, 12:43:58 PM »
So then what you are saying is that this statement:

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I didn't mean it as a put-down


that Confused2 made is a cop out, etc, in your opinion.

Ofcourse, you are entitled to your opinion and you have a right to behave by example, as you so choose.

I get the example you are setting and to me it seems to say:

"It's ok to discredit what others say and accuse them of stuff and decide upon and express what we decide that they are feeling but haven't expressed.  It's up to us to try to instill some kind of guilt in others and to suggest and guide them as to when and how to appologize for what.

I get it but I'm not agreeing.

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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2005, 02:46:52 PM »
Hi,

This is my first experience with posting to online discussion groups. I am finding it hard to keep track of everyone and adequately reply to everyone, especially when so many people use the name GUEST.

I am not here to get confrontational or enmeshed in back and forth bickering. I apologize if I've offended anyone. Not my intention. Why would I have anything against an anonymous group of people? I am just not emotionally invested enough here to either hurl insults or get offended. All I did was report that being told what to do and when to do it did not feel that great to me. It's the first thing I learned in my Introduction to Counseling class 18 years ago: counseling is not advice-giving. That was a big surprise as I always thought that is EXACTLY what counseling is.

Portia, I like your idea for a discussion on the nature of passion and romantic love. And, NO, I don't think sexual attraction is boring in the least! If you start a thread, I will participate. I think I will change my name from Confused2 to something else. I don't like the negative label.

Bludie, I wish you well in pursuing your goals of furthering your education. I really do think you'd be good in human services and/or counseling. I wish I could figure out a new direction. My "problem" is that I have a really good job in terms of pay, benefits, and location, as well as gobs of time off. But I am tired of it! It's a lot to give up to start something new and I've worked so hard to achieve it. I am 47 and eligible for retirement in 8 years. So maybe I should just stick it out. I don't hate my job, but I am no longer fully engaged in it either. I guess that's a topic for another discussion board.

I think I'll start another thread about some thoughts swirling around in my head about my ex-N. They are just not clear enough right now to articulate.

Confused2

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2005, 10:47:03 PM »
"and decide upon and express what we decide that they are feeling but haven't expressed."

Are you on medication?

that Confused2 made is a cop out, etc, in your opinion. I get it but I'm not agreeing.

Well--- in that case I got me some swamp land here that I'd be just itching for you to have a look at. :wink:

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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2005, 11:27:48 PM »
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it would have been nice if you'd have just said you felt uncomfortable with some things being presented to you in some messages [which is what happened]


To clarify a little:
Seems there is an assumption Confused2 felt uncomfortable.  The poster decided upon what Confused2 felt.  The poster expressed what was now decided upon by the poster (but not expressed by Confused2).

No meds for me.  Got plenty of good land too but thanks anyway.

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« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2005, 12:52:43 PM »
No meds for me. Got plenty of good land too but thanks anyway.

Heck yeah--I could carry on with endless clever quips over those ones but I'm not here to cause that kind of trouble.

If you can't see where a person gets defensive when hearing something they do not want to hear-- what more can i say.

3rd eye blind ain't no crime--   Annoying as h^ll yes-- but that's about all i can claim--

But it's not a put down that everyone giving advice here does not have the kind of perception they need to sense & see truths more deeply, like I do. What I mean is- For example: I have perceptive skills but I do not have art skills. I have perceptive skills but I do not have engineering or mechanical skills. We all have different skills. I will say however, that one really good relationship skill to have is the ability to be able to try to perceive what is going on below surface level defenses rather than blindly taking up sides with someone & reinforcing their denial. There is a time & place for problem solving but it is only after you have perceived the truth of the matter behind defenses.

If you have a problem with what is in bold print then "logically" you "should" [note the quotes & word use] have one with the initial mail also, which, kind as I am-I took the liberty of quoting at the end of this one for your convenience. If you don't have a problem with what I said above then I take it you will accept it & begin to work harder at your perceptive abilities before you dare to venture into future advice giving on this board again--hm?

Note: Yes--these things could hold as valid in a therapists office, but I personally do not at all feel that way I wrote above about suggesting there be "qualifications" or "stipulations" needed in order to give a solicited opinion or advice on an internet discussion board that is of any consideration or value, as the original poster implies.  This is not a therapists office or forum of therapists!

There are forums where only therapists interact with each other however, & if original poster would like the abc's of counselling theory to be followed to the "t" when people reply to her, she has these alternatives. It is completely arrogant & nonsensical to enter an layperson advice forum & get all hot under the collar & put down others because "the way support is being offered is not pursuant professional therapy guidelines."

Besides-- the fact is that what the individual said about being affirmed first didn't even make sense to her situation.The poster had been generally affirmed plenty. Do they need to be affirmed & coddled by *each* indiv. separately before they  dare offer other supportive views?

They didn't personally like the content of what they read [which was not offensive whatsoever]--plain & simple.


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Initial Quote:

I didn't mean it as a put-down to say that some people have counseling skills while others do not. For example: I have counseling skills but I do not have art skills. I have language skills but I do not have engineering or mechanical skills. I have skiing skills but I do not have basketball skills. We all have different skills. I will say however, that one really good relationship skill to have is the ability to affirm feelings rather than immediately give advice and solve problems. There is a time and place for problem solving, and it is always after feelings have been acknowledged.

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« Reply #39 on: January 13, 2005, 05:23:23 PM »
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If you can't see where a person gets defensive when hearing something they do not want to hear-- what more can i say.


Not sure how you know what I can or cannot see?
Are you feeling a bit defensive?

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But it's not a put down that everyone giving advice here does not have the kind of perception they need to sense & see truths more deeply, like I do.


Are you seriously pointing out you how special you are?
Well, I'm not going to argue with you.  You probably are very special, clever, perceptive, kind, logical with good relationship skills, as you've said.  I believe you.

I also believe Confused2 when she states that she didn't mean it as a put down.

That's ok, isn't it?
I disagree with your opinion.
That's ok too, isn't it?

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« Reply #40 on: January 13, 2005, 06:01:58 PM »
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My "problem" is that I have a really good job in terms of pay, benefits, and location, as well as gobs of time off. But I am tired of it! It's a lot to give up to start something new and I've worked so hard to achieve it. I am 47 and eligible for retirement in 8 years. So maybe I should just stick it out. I don't hate my job, but I am no longer fully engaged in it either. I guess that's a topic for another discussion board.


Holding on for retirement at 55 years sounds good to me! Maybe a new hobby? I'd love to get certified to scuba dive some day or snorkeling has always interested me, too. What about sailing? So many cool things if you're coastal.

Confused2, I'll be interested to know your new screen name. In the mean time hang in there and let us know if you've managed to taper off on those toxic e-mails  :wink:

Oh- and one more thing. I was thinking about it all. It's bad enough to know that my ex-N is already in a committed relationship with another woman. It would be worse to discover the situation you experienced with your ex-N. And at this stage in life (I'm 45) when you decide to throw in and marry someone again, it feels even more risky and vulnerable. To not have it work out is exponentially more painful at this age, for some reason. Not sure why that is. Maybe we're more aware? Maybe it's a crucial life-lesson? Maybe we know the pickins are slim out there? Who knows?!
Best,

bludie

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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2005, 06:11:09 PM »
Guest (the one who is having SO many problems with Confused2)

I wonder why you are so emotionally involved in this issue? Why is it pushing all your buttons?

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There are forums where only therapists interact with each other however, & if original poster would like the abc's of counselling theory to be followed to the "t" when people reply to her, she has these alternatives. It is completely arrogant & nonsensical to enter an layperson advice forum & get all hot under the collar & put down others because "the way support is being offered is not pursuant professional therapy guidelines."


The skill of affirming feelings is not an advanced counseling technique. It is an elementary communication skill. It is taught in many self help books and is also taught by therapists to clients in marriage and family therapy.  Instead of getting so uptight and defensive, why not just learn this skill? You'll be amazed at how positively people will begin to respond to you! Much more positively than when you offer them immediate advice.

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2005, 06:44:40 PM »
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Are you seriously pointing out you how special you are?


Nooooo---if that is what you got out of it you've missed the point entirely.
 
I disagree with your opinion. That's ok too, isn't it?

Of course it is. You commented on what I'd written, I commented back-- & so it went. At the end of the road we're splitting paths [we don't agree, no] & that's just fine indeed.

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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2005, 07:06:43 PM »
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I wonder why you are so emotionally involved in this issue? Why is it pushing all your buttons?


Because it ticked me off that someone would be so arrogant, and I did not want anyone to feel bad in the sense that they were being put down & to be self conscious about replying in the future. That about covers it.

Yes--you've made it clear you believe that the comment was not said in a "passive-aggressive" hostility style.

I couldn't disagree more--though any "vying for righteousness" in viewpoint between us would just be in the name of futility & a waste of both of our time & of board space.

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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2005, 07:14:49 PM »
So are you feeling a bit defensive?  Still wondering because you didn't answer that one.

Or does it feel better to belittle (by insinuating how dumb I must be-if that's alllllll I got out of it), rather than explain what the point was?

Does this remind you of the past in any way?

It does me.  It's certainly the way my parents might have responded if I disagreed with them or didn't get their point exactly.

How did you feel when I said I believe you?

Have you thought about why this issue has pushed your buttons, as the other Guest wondered?

I'm just wondering too.   Do we really have to split paths because we disagree?