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« Reply #285 on: May 18, 2005, 12:32:01 PM »
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Sorry if I bored anyone.


The only thing you bored is the demon of negativity.  What a jerk that demon is  :x  :x  :x  :!:   Can you see it yawning, rolling its eyes and jeering at your words  :shock:  :shock: :roll:  :lol:  Cuz what you said has a lot of truth in it.  I find what you said quite helpful to me and bring me back to the days of Anatomy and Physiology.  Particularly, when you talked about the physiological affects of neg/positive thinking.

What you said about making a habit of replacing negative thinking with positive thinking hits home for me.  I agree, it's about replacing unproductive habits with productive habits and keep practicing with it til it becomes second nature.  Yes mame, practice makes permanent.

Thanks GFN for the reminder!!!

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« Reply #286 on: May 18, 2005, 01:16:49 PM »
I have a dilemma in the form of a question.  How do you stay unattached to people or ideas while maintaining a level of connectedness with them?  In other words, how do you keep people at arms length, but at the same time, stay connected and intuned to them?  This has something to do with creating a personal boundary for yourself, but not creating a wall.

I'm interested to read how others would approach it.

Thanks.

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« Reply #287 on: May 18, 2005, 02:21:46 PM »
Just visiting,

I'd love to know more about that too.

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« Reply #288 on: May 18, 2005, 03:17:05 PM »
Hey GFN

When I told my hubby about the mooning he laughed his butt off. No pun intended.

The girls didn't like the peeing b/c he did it on their school building.  We could see the wet spot it left on the bricks. YUCK!

Hopefully it didn't inspire any of our girls to want to streak.

Did I get you in the spirit to streak?  :wink:

Have a good one.

Mia

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« Reply #289 on: May 18, 2005, 03:19:15 PM »
GFN, the more I think about this, the more I feel compelled to reply again. :D So much "self-help" advice sounds good.  "Think positively!"  But the first thing that immediately pops into my head is HOW?!?!?!?  Yes, I agree thinking positively rather than negatively is a good thing.  How exactly do I get from where I am to that point?  A lot of advice ends at the witty saying.  Reading self-help books is good because they go into a lot of explanation about the background information and why their techniques work.  That takes a lot of time and clarity that I may not have in the midst of a crisis.  Most of the time, I would just like a brief list like yours with step-by-step instructions on how I can get started immediately.  I think your list is a great example of this.  Thanks again for posting! :)

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« Reply #290 on: May 18, 2005, 04:50:48 PM »
I just want to share an excerpt from a book I'm reading.

Each day, when I awaken, I will follow this plan of battle before I am captured by the forces of sadness, self-pity and failure...

If I feel depressed I will sing.
If I feel sad I will laugh.
If I feel ill I will double my labor.
If I feel fear I will plunge ahead.
If I feel inferior I will wear new garments.
If I feel uncertain I will raise my voice.
If I feel poverty I will think of wealth to come.
If I feel incompetent I will remember past success.  
If I feel insignificant I will remember my goals.

Today I will be master of my emotions.

I will laugh at myself for man is most comical when he takes himself too seriously.

I will make allowances for his anger and irritation of today for he knows not the secret of controlling his mind.

I will say to myself, "this too shall pass"
For all worldly things shall indeed pass.  When I am heavy with heartache I shall console myself that this too shall pass.  When I am puffed with success I shall warn myself that this too shall pass.

Failure will never overtake you if your determination to succeed is strong enough.

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« Reply #291 on: May 18, 2005, 06:11:14 PM »
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Anyhow, speaking of tofu.....ummm......ok....maybe I'll try the soup thingy.  Sometime.  And I won't bully tofu or the soy bean if I can possibly help it. :roll:



im glad. it really is good in spaghetti sauce. :)  and im squeamish about texture... i cant even eat plain yogurt.

now GFN, this next bit was just so good, that I am going to REINFORCE it! because, reinforcement is the way to learn new stuff, and the things you said were so so good they bear reinforcing, so here goes. its a great synthesis of the whole 'how to be positive' thing.



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I mean, it took awhile to develop whatever negative ways we have of thinking...
I do believe it's like any other skill....it can be learned...but it takes time and effort.  And it is well worth achieving.

Nothing worth achieving is easy.



YES YES YES YES YES. its a skilll, its a habit, and skills and habits can be built, step by step, with persistence and dedication, just like the negative ones were. we were convinced step by step over long periods of time that we were worthless and horrible, and we can turn it around, step by step by step, over time. lets say I heard 1000 times in my life, "you are worthless". and i came to believe it. thats how advertising and propaganda works. repetition and reinforcement.  well, then I need to say to myself at least 1000 times, "you are worthwhile". and it =will= sink in, just as I came to believe that other thing. but it needs to be constantly reinforced, just like the other beliefs were. it takes work and time and it will take root. 1000 times is a lot of times, so all the more reason to get started.


i want to reinforce your 'steps' becuase very similar steps have been very very helpful for me..  and they have been so incredibly useful that i want to 'second' everything you are saying here. you said:



Here are some things I do when I'm feeling stuck in negative mode.
These aren't my inventions.  They have helped many.

1.  Get up and move........to a different spot in your home, preferable outdoors, or at least to another room.


yes..... do -anything- to create momentum away from your usual trajectory. i think the name for it is... inertia? you will keep moving the way you have been moving, unless you actively change it? maybe scientists could help with that one. but, one thing I would add to this, is keep your goals real small at first. be happy with tiny baby steps.  just go outside for a minute. take a different way home from the store. be very very happy with yourself if you are able to do something even a little something different. allow yourself to feel success. build on that success. rome wasnt built in a day.

there is evidence that thought processes actually form physical structures in the brain, somewhat like erosion marks. where water has flowed in great amounts, there will be deep furrows. where your thoughts have flowed for years, there will be established pathways. you kind of have to consciously choose to chip away a new path for your thoughts, starting small, like digging a new path for water that has flowed a certian way for a long time.



2.  Drink water.  Water is necessary for many chemical reactions to occur naturally and smoothly in your brain.  

yup. water is so helpful for thinking clearly and helping your cells work.  to take this further, when i have a bottle of water on the counter, I will visualise onto it all my positive thoughts, positive colors, whatever im visualising, so that I am 'drinking' positive thoughts, whenever  i drink the water. its just another little tiny thing, but the idea is, all those tiny things, add up mentally over time.

i also want to add to this, eat food, which is kind of obvious. when im depressed, i tend to not allow myself to eat; and i really have to remind myself that i deserve to eat and that i deserve to be alive.

one habit i have done for several years is to say to myself whenver i eat or drink anything: "why am i doing this? becuase I love myself, and I deserve good things." it reminds me and focuses me. its positive propaganda, to counter all the voices that told me i was unlovable and  undeserving. i love myself, and i deserve good things. i say that to myself with every thing that i eat.



3.  Tell yourself:  "I'm ok".  These two words give your mind a quick emotional break.  Easy to remember.  Two little words.  They can help break a pattern of thinking that is not helping you, at this point.


another great step.  to expand upon this  - may i suggest continual talking back to yourself. (maybe not out loud unless your alone!) this has helped me hugely. I used to hear in my head all the time a voice that said 'you cant'. at a certain point i started saying to myself everytime i heard that - YES I CAN!!!!

whenver I hear that voice in my head saying 'i cant' i say immediately, 'yes i can'. i argue with these voices. i never let them get the last word. when something in my head tries to tell me something negative, I argue with it. I come up with a counterstatement, and i will instantly argue with myself whenver i hear myself trying to be negative or run a negative tape. IT WORKS.   like anything. its a habit. it can take several years. but, it =will= work. its been several years, but i rarely hear that voice, and when i do, i squash it very fast. before it used to domnate my thoughts.

if you know you have something negative you continually hear or think, think of something to say back to it, and do it.  keep doing it. it will make a difference.



4.  Then tell yourself:  "No more of this neg junk for 5 minutes".  5 minutes isn't a very long time, is it?  

you have to let yourself get a break. if you have a broken arm, they will give you aspirin. nobody expects people to sit there in physical pain 24/7. you have to have a break from mental pain too.



5.  Focus on something.....anything good for the entire 5 minutes.  I like to walk outside and find a bird to watch, a rock to admire, or a tree to observe.  If the weather is crappy then I might look at a picture of someone I love, talk, play with, pat/hug my dog/s, or sit in a chair, close my eyes, relax my body, and visualize something lovely...like the waves on the ocean, blue sky, white sand, sail boats......whatever is nice and soothing and enjoyable.


people here might remember those 'mood rings' from the '70s that change color with your mood. i had one of those last year and played some games with it when i was in a bad space mentally. i found that i could change the color of the mood ring, by looking at photographs of my daughter. IT WORKS. simply looking at her face, caused me to relax. you can change your mood, by focusing on or immersing yourself in something positive for you. it wont just happen easily maybe. it may take a little practice and persistence. so does anything in life. but it will work.


6.  Breath......deeply, slowly, paying attention to each breath, feeling the oxygen coming into your lungs, and letting yourself exhale slowly and comfortably.  Oxygen is also detrimental to many chemical processes in the brain.   Breathing deeply allows more oxygen into our lungs, into our cells, which circulates to our brain.  Breathing deeply and slowly can actually slow and strengthen our heart rate, which makes the movement of that oxygened blood more efficient and allows for it to be delivered to our brain cells quicker and more fully than short, quick breathing does (which is what we do under stress/in fight and flight mode......which is meant for short periods and not healthy as a long term response to stress).  Remembering to breath can be a real life safer, helping us to think clearer and relax some, during stressful periods.  Negative mode is a stressful period when our brains need more oxygen to work more efficiently.


cant possibly ever say enough about breathing.  if breathing can get a woman through labor, it can get people through anything..... you can =always= always  always breathe. its good for panic. its good for insomnia. its good for depression. there is nothing that more oxygen isnt good for. theres a million breathing exercises out there and i reeeeallllly recommend learning some. its something anyone can do, its free, you dont need any equipment, medicine, etc, and it really really =really= REALLY helps.



7.  Now do something else.  By now, you should be successfully out of negative mode...even though it has only been a short period.  You can now decide to go do something enjoyable or useful, to give yourself a break from focussing on your troubles.  You can return to your problems later, when you are feeling stronger and more able to actually deal with them, or when you feel the need to release more feelings.  


i agree. once you have chipped out a new pathway, take a few steps onto it. strengthen it.  you will need to keep digging for quite a while, to establish that pathway as a road, and then pave it, and then put up signs... and then little orange juice stands.. then a pizza place... after awhile you will be driving your new road instead of the old one, which will hopefuly soon be reclaimed by the landscape, through disuse. but rome wasnt built in a day. it must be done bit by bit with repetition and intent.



8.  Repeat and extend numbers 1,2,3, 4, 5 and 6 to form a new habit.  If you are in the habit of thinking negative thoughts, for long periods of time,  focussing on the negative stuff in your life and breathing as if you are being chased by a bear, depriving your brain/body of plenty of water and staying in one spot.......it will do you good to work on changing this.


plan to repeat these steps a lot of times. it didnt take us overnight to get this way. it wont take overnight to get out. that doesnt mean it isnt worth working at.


9.  Plan.  When you feel better, not so negative about everything, open to considering different ideas.....sit down and try to examine one problem at a time.  Try to discover solutions.  Try to think of ways to improve the situation.  

10.  Which goes hand in hand with number 10.....make lists....write stuff down.  Even if it seems silly.  Look it over and see if there is anything that you can live with.  See if there are things that can be done/thought of differently/dealt with in a reasonable way.  Try to list what you need/want ..what your needs/wants are and how to work towards satisfying them.



ok, i list EVERYTHING.  i keep a notebook - and every day i write down a list. this list is:

goals (meaning what my goals are and steps to meet them)
art (my job)
eat (whether i ate)
water (whether i drank water)
chores (how much energy i put towards chores)
exercise (whether i exercised)
techniques (meaning breathing or emotional techniques, whether they were necesary, and if they were, what feelings i was having that made me need them)


at the end of the day, i put a number next to each of those categories depending on whether i did them or not. i give myself credit and allow myself to feel successful, if i was able to do those things even a tiny bit. if i dont, i just write 'REST' next to them, becuase that was a day i needed to rest, so thats what i did instead. whichever i did, i give myself credit for it.

these are called 'self cueing techniques'. they allow me to see waht im doing, when im doing it, why im doing it, and how im feeling about it. it keeps me focused and helps me appreciate myself and track my changes. its a hugely useful tool to keep moving and focused. it might seem stupid or juvenile to many people, but a lot of times, we sabotage ourselves becuase we are afraid to look stupid or juvenile. sometimes, you have to start with those baby steps. its either start with a baby step or never start. id rather start with a baby step.

these techniques would be different for everyone depending on what your goals are. they are a way to learn about yourself, stay focused on your goals, and be sure that your actions are matching your intent.

they can also give you information about your emotions and what they are connected to and why they come up. it gives you a way to feel good about what you are doing right. sometimes you find you are doing more 'right' than you thought you were. sometimes you find you are doing something obvious that you need to stop but would never have noticed otherwise.

some people might not be so bad off that they need to do that every day. for people that are really really bad off, <like i have been and still am> i recommend it as a lifeline. if you do it over a really long time you can also see how far youve come which can feel really good.

if you have a therapist they can help you figure out self-cuing techniques that are good for you.

 
Negative thinking doesn't just keep us emotionally off keel...it can have a negative physical effect too.  It's tough on our physical hearts.  Can cause all kinds of illnesses/or enhance those illnesses that are already present.  Positive thinking can help people recover from a lot.  10 minutes, morning and night, of relaxing, breathing, focussing can help to form a new habit which will enhance health.  Drinking more water (and eating a healthy diet) enhances all aspects of health.  Doing activities we enjoy or give us a sence of accomplishment...enhances life period...gives us stuff to look forward to...and gives a break from the pain......

Hypocondriacs really believe they are sick.  Placebos really do cure some of their illnesses.  What better proof of what the mind can do and undo is there?



i am with you 10000000000%.

the thing is.... in the physical world, if you want a baloney sandwich, you cant just wish for one and have it appear... you have to get the bread, get the mustard, spread it around, slice it, wash a plate, before you have a sandwich. i think its the same in the mental/emotional world. you cant just wish to be better or to have something different and have it appear. you have to build it, step by step, just like a sandwich or any other thing.

great great post GFN, like always. thank you. :)

take care
Anna

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« Reply #292 on: May 18, 2005, 07:34:06 PM »
Wow!  Longtire!  That's a great idea!  Making a plan of what to do when in a bad mood and then following it!  Makes real sense!  Good for you!!
And thankyou for the hug and the second post and saying my list helped.  I'm so glad!!  I have to do the same thing sometimes.....keep the list close by and consciously choose to look at it.

And yes, Butterfly....negativity can be a demon sometimes, can't it?  If it gets it's grip on us, sinks it's claws in, and drags us down......it's time to fight back!!! :evil:  Take a stand against it!!  Don't let it win!! 8)  8) , imo.

You've coined a really cool phrase, Butterfly:

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Practice makes permanent.


Totally logical and sensible, that one is!!  Thanks!!  It's a good one to remember....so realistic....not perfect....permanent.  Much more achievable/doable/maintainable.

Thankyou Visitor for sharing that excerpt from the book you are reading.
What great stuff!!  If we all followed that..... we'd all be much more positive about ourselves and our world.  I've copied, printed (to read to me), and saved to send to friends.  Much appreciated!! :D

Anna....wow!!  Thankyou so much for taking the time to reinforce the ideas and for adding your own stuff.  The more I think about it...the more glad I am that I posted.  I almost didn't because....(that self-doubt creeps in)...I worried that it might sound silly, or like preaching, or like I know it all.......but.....I decided to risk it (mostly because I know....a lot of the time...my fears are just silly and I need to ignor them...go ahead in spite of them).  I'm so glad you put your thoughts in.  I love the way you explained the "pathway".  I've read about that too and it does seem reasonable and doable.  And the stuff about self-cueing techniques!  I haven't heard of that but that sounds really useful.  Especially...if one does it for awhile and then looks back...to see the progress.  I like it.  It sounds simple and not time consuming (which I tend to get lax about techniques that require a whole lot of time out of my day.....I'm not patient enough either, sometimes :oops:  :oops: ).  But a neat little technique like that....doesn't sound too hard to do and certainly worthwhile.

And your way of putting it.....working on improving our thinking...in a more positive direction.....more often.....like making a sandwich!!!  Yes!!

To quote you:  Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!!!!

It is like that.  It does take small steps.  And repetition is truly necessary.  There are no one shot read this book cure yourself of ever thinking another negative thought processes to be had (I left out all the dashes I really wanted to put in there because the last time I did that..it made the page really wide...on another thread.  Learned my lesson..I hope :oops: ).  Such easy, quick fixes don't exist.

There is only....consistent...work and habit forming/breaking techniques.
And they do work.   For many.  And for those who say they don't work....I wonder.....if they just haven't decided to make them work yet???

Mia asked me:

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Did I get you in the spirit to streak?


Nope.  Sorry Mia.  I have never Struck ( :shock:  :?  :D ).  I have always been one of those who stood in the sidelines, cheered my head off, and laughed my guts out...and swore:  "I'll never streak!!  Yep!!  I'm chicken and proud of it!!"  Haven't changed my mind so far, but thanks for offering?? :shock:  :roll:  :?  :D

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I have a dilemma in the form of a question. How do you stay unattached to people or ideas while maintaining a level of connectedness with them? In other words, how do you keep people at arms length, but at the same time, stay connected and intuned to them? This has something to do with creating a personal boundary for yourself, but not creating a wall.

I'm interested to read how others would approach it.


I'm totally unable to answer this at this time.  I need more information about what exactly you mean and why you feel a need to do this???
If you feel like expanding.

It sounds like you're asking:  How do I move away and stay connected, at the same time?

If this is truly what you are asking......I would have to say...I have absolutely no idea.  I would be tempted to pick one or the other.

If you mean..that you wish to continue having contact with someone you wish to disconnect from.....then my opinion would be that you will have to keep the conversation very simple, non-emotional, about the weather, the news, hobbies, nothing heavy....and the visits short.  Or....visualize in your mind....the person in some form that keeps you smiling (such as wearing something silly, or having a funny face) and understand that you are dealing with, as bunny has simply defined Nish behaviour......a person who behaves like a toddler (and be prepared to deal with a toddler).

2cents.  Glad you're reading and posting here.  I hope others have more to add to this question.....or a better understanding of it....to share.

Have a great evening all!!!
 :D  :D

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« Reply #293 on: May 18, 2005, 09:02:30 PM »
(((GFN)))

You are one cool rockin' bean :wink:

Butterfly :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #294 on: May 18, 2005, 09:15:13 PM »
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If you mean..that you wish to continue having contact with someone you wish to disconnect from.....then my opinion would be that you will have to keep the conversation very simple, non-emotional, about the weather, the news, hobbies, nothing heavy....and the visits short. Or....visualize in your mind....the person in some form that keeps you smiling (such as wearing something silly, or having a funny face) and understand that you are dealing with, as bunny has simply defined Nish behaviour......a person who behaves like a toddler (and be prepared to deal with a toddler).


Well, what I mean is how do you guard yourself from becoming needy of other people's approval while still connecting with them on an emotional level.  For example, how do you prevent yourself from being bent out of shape by someone's disapproval of you in words or actions.  Like how do you develop the mentality to not let ppl's disapproval or lack of affirmation not stick onto you like a thumbtack or not have it affect your self-esteem?  How do you disassociate your self-esteem from other ppl's approval or disapproval of you?  I hope I'm a little bit clearer this time around.

Thanks.

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« Reply #295 on: May 18, 2005, 11:32:26 PM »
Hi again all:

I just watched the 4th part of a program I've been following on CBC television called:  "The Nature of Things - Passion and Fury - part 4 - The Emotions".

It was soooooo in tune with what we've been talking about here that I just can't resist another long post because I found it quite facinating (but not surprising).  So if you've had enough of this stuff.....quit now while you're ahead (or....stay tuned for more info that might help or enhance your knowledge of this topic) :D

I took notes (if you can believe it  :shock: ).  The program began by informing us that there is one part of the brain, that has recently been identified as the Amigdula (absolutely have no idea how to spell it :? ).  It is important in regard to the emotional centre of the brain (which is believed to have been developed long before the thinking/rational part of the brain, which came much later in the evolution of the brain).  The Amigdula helps regulate emotions.

I found this interesting because up until now, my understanding has been that we have an emotional centre in our brain that is responsible for our emotional responses....and so a new thingy....that actually helps regulate our emotional responses......is an interesting twist.  It's something new that can be studied...to see if there is a way to enhance it's regulation, if medications might effect it, all kinds of neat stuff.

They were speaking quite a bit about happiness and interviewing different scientists and came to the conclusion that happiness may be defined as:

The absence of distressing emotions.

They showed a long detailed study they did, giving ipods to people in 61 countries, all over the world, who were living in different conditions of wealth, poverty, etc and the people recorded their feelings of happiness, several times daily and answered other questions pertaining to a happy state, as well as other details...who they were with, whether they were working, etc and they entered all the data into a pc and came up with.....

80% of the people in the world are basically happy.

They talked about how negative/distressing emotions cause our brain to release seritonin which usually calms us down and how people with depression...do not have enough seritonin....therefore..stay in a depressed state and how certain drugs....prozac (SSRI's) raise seritonin levels....but not really adequately.  The general consensus among the physicians is that no pill really works to cure depression (which has always been my belief....that meds for depression simply cover up symptoms and do not cure the problem---just my opinion but it's interesting to see this spoken of by scientists and doctors, many of whom had previously encouraged the use of meds for depression).

The final analysis revealed that thoughts.....are what spin out into depression and that to counteract these thoughts.....we must train the mind.

Next, they examined some Budists and talked about how they have secrets for training the mind, which they have kept for thousands of years and how their goal is:

Freeing their inner selves of all negativity and instilling a nurturing compassion for all people.

It was noted by the scientists that this compassion may be influential in many kinds of behaviour (no kidding guys :shock: ).

They talked about how the laughing clubs , in which people get together and simply laugh and laugh to release endorphins and certain hormones that make them feel good, originated in India and have spread all over the world (I'm seriously considering looking for one of these....even just for the experience of going once :D ).  How laughing regularly has now been proven to enhance health and well being.

They talked about how scientific study has revealed that meditation indeed decreases stress and increases immunity to disease.

One interesting study that was discussed, was one in which they found that intense electrical energy is present in the left side of the prefrontal cortex of the brains of people who are really happy, and that there is more of this electrical energy on the right side of the prefrontal cortex of the brains of depressed people.

They took 41 participants and had them do serious meditation, for 8 weeks.  They attached zillions of electrodes to their heads and measured the electrical energy, which they found was much increased on the left side of the prefrontal cortexes compared to a control group, who did not meditate.   Conclusion...meditation makes us happier.

Then there was the scientist turned Budist monk (for 3 decades) who came back to science, after all those decades of meditating/practicing mind training.  They did a functional MRI on his brain to examine his emotional state, (in which they look at several slices of his brain per minute), while playing emotional sounds (like babies laughing etc) and told him to put himself into a state of loving kindness (which the Budists call-- Compasionate happiness).  They found his Amigdula to be extremely swollen and active.  They found his set point (the point at which most people's general emotional state of happiness is, which is just to the left side of the prefrontal cortex)...his set point was way off the charts!!  They say this suggests that happiness can be enhanced at will and that there are few people like him on the planet...he's soo happy! :D  :D  :D
He said that Budists believe it is essential to rid the inner self of the negative emotions of anger, jealousy, resentment, anxiety, self-loathing, saddness and confusion.  That they can be replaced with loving kindness/ compasionate happiness by practicing mind training.

The final conclusion was that even short periods of mind training can wire our brains for happiness and all it takes is practice.

They suggested that we are all capable of molding our brains and creating new pathways, that each of us has the potential to enhance our lives, and that profound happiness is within our reach.

So then my advice, Just visiting is this:

Begin by drinking some water and spending several minutes per day relaxing in a comfortable spot, breathing deeply, clearing your mind of all thoughts.  Focus on some lovely picture in your head, for a few more minutes, until you really feel at peace and then make some positive statements/suggestions....silently, repeatedly to yourself such as:

I approve of me.
I am a capable person.
I am a good person.
I am worthy of love.
I believe this very deeply.
I will accept positive statements from others.
I will disregard negative statements from others.
I will remain emotionally calm and clear when I am with those who try to belittle me.
Those who do so are unaware and unhealthy.
I will strive to be healthy.
I will accept only good words from those who are sincere and kind.
I will be sincere and kind to others.
I can easily do this.
It's my choice.
I rely on myself.
I will not be effected by other people's disapproval.
I will pay attention to my accomplishments.
I will reward myself for all I do that is good.
I will remind myself that I am a valuable person.

After awhile of doing this daily, or twice daily would be even better, you will find yourself being much less effected by these people who are trying to put you down and who do not give their approval to you.  You will no longer bend out of shape, but stay beautifully shaped and smiling. :D

I know this sounds too simple but there is now actually scientific data to support such simple stuff as repetitive training of the mind and the benefits it has on our emotional state and well being.

As Anna pointed out....people can say something negative to you 1000 times and you will begin to believe it.  It will take a 1000 times of you saying something positive to yourself for you to believe the positive stuff.

The positive stuff will help you strive and survive this world, this life.
The negative stuff will not.

Take care, Just visiting.  Hope this helps a little.

GFN

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« Reply #296 on: May 18, 2005, 11:49:11 PM »
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You are one cool rockin' bean


Thankyou for the hug Butterfly and for this wonderful compliment which I will return...from one cool rockin' bean to another.....

(((((((((Butterfly)))))))))

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« Reply #297 on: May 19, 2005, 01:02:22 AM »
GFN; ditto on the "you rock" idea.  Sooo glad you posted!!
You're an inspiration to all of us.  Thanks for being you (and for letting us in on it!!!)

Just Visiting:  I think I understand what you are talking about (I hope) when you ask HOW we can detach from needing people's approval yet still  stay involved (ie: not disassociate or become hermits).
It's not easy.  I thought it was only ME who had this problem setting boundaries, not always being an approval seeker.....but I realize this is a struggle for most people.  When I made some strides in those areas recently, I said to my mentor/counselor..."wow, I know it probably sounds like no big deal to others....but it's huge for me"...to which she replied: "no, it's huge for everyone!"  

The answer, I think is in what GFN says and in what I will explain below.  It is internal.  It is a choice.  It is about changing habits and patterns....and that absolutely must start with core beliefs.  I needed to examine what those were first....but I could also start releasing pain, even if I couldn't exactly identify what created the pain at the time or even what my core beliefs were that contributed to that pain.
Sometimes I am still not sure what it is that is causing me the pain....but I do know I want to let it go...and that is enough to start.
Start right where you are. (a title of a great book, by the way, by Pema Chodron).  

And Longtire: I agree that there is a great challenge in KNOWING that positive thoughts feelings and beliefs truly are the way out of pain.... but not knowing HOW to actually DO this in a simple way.  Life is complex. The understanding of how things work is complex.   I found that I needed simplification.  Everybody has a way that works for them (or is seeking it, we hope).  GFN has a fantastically helpful way of approaching life (that I can't wait to integrate!).  I have another thing I do, which is pretty much the same type of thing, just simpler in the how to..

I, too, felt overwhemed by ALL this knowledge I had found....how to apply it was even more daunting, I thought.  But a wonderful teacher was delivered to me.......I say this because I didn't know I was seeking her exactly, it just sort of happened.  She told me I needed simple things and she was right.  I tend to spiral into complexity rather quickly (duh, just watch!!) so I needed something easy to help me out.

OKAY: A bit of a warning: not an excuse, because I know this works for me, but this may sound "airy fairy, oooh ahh, white light" to some people.
Sorry, can't help that.  If you look closely, you will see this basic tenet of healing in most religions.... the names may be different, the direction of energy may be different... you get the picture.
I also humbly thank God for giving me this learning, and apologize in advance, if I screw this up.  My intention is love, I assure you.

It's a 1, 2, 3 kind of thing.  The philosophy is simple (unconditional, universal love) and also complex (we are a result of all of our thoughts feelings and beliefs, and through them we create our lives...and then some).  The biggest problem with postive thinking philosophy is that letting go of the negative must happen for there to be any room for the positive to grow....and in most books on the subject, the "how to let go" is missing, (I have found).

The process I use is this:

1) Identify your pain and SAY IT OUTLOUD (ok, so even if it is to yourself you have stated it and given it a name!)and say: but this is my pain....

2) Breathe in the pain and RELEASE it down to the center of the earth from the base of your spine (actually from your seventh chakra...but you don't have to know about those to do this) Visulaize something as wide as your hips such as collumn of light, a waterfall.....anything....(I have to do this a lot over some things.)  Breathe in an with your intention, release the pain down this "grounding cord", while you exhale.  Pain is sooo tough, that breathing helps us connect to it and give it substance, I guess.   I usually visualize a waterfall with a large flushing of sorts...as my ex gives me so much S**T (and why would I hold onto his S*** if I can let go of it??) When your pain hits the center of the earth, it turns back into love, or goes back to whom it belongs.  I prefer the love thing....as transforming it appeals to me more than anyone (including that malcontent ex) getting even more pain....but either way, you are not ADDING pain to the world, you are either not taking it or transforming it and actively healing the world.

3) REPROGRAM my body for how I WANT to feel.  This is essential, because of what GFN was talking about.   We are creatures of habit, and a void will quickly fill up through habit....if our habit is obsessively thinking about our problem...well then, we will be right back at the beginning. That's ok....I find I do that a lot.  So I just do 1, 2,3 again and again.

And here is another thing: a lot of us know exactly how we DON"T want to feel....but we are not really too good at identifying how we WANT to feel. So it's important to spend some time imagining that, how it would FEEL to have the life you want.  This is how things are created in this world..  they start with a thought, that becomes a feeling that sets us on a path to manifest this feeling in actuality.

There is so much to this....and yet it is simple.  It's about taking our God given power back...our power to transform, to love, to heal.... and it starts internally.  It's about realizing our connection with the divine, and not believing the lie about the seperation between us and God/higher power.

Anyway, I'll hope even a shred of that makes sense.  I wish my mentor would write a book, but she does have a cd that is helpful.  

There are thousands of these messages out there, though. Everyone will find the help they need, if they want it.....it all starts with intention....everything starts that way...it's idea energy/loving intent.  All of it.  Whether we manifest it is our free will/choice.


there you go GFN....another long one....get us going, huh?
Peace to all....

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« Reply #298 on: May 19, 2005, 07:23:10 AM »
Dear all,

Some great advice (which I've skimmed :oops: will come back to it tonight and read it properly :shock: )

That tricky little part of the brain is spelled amygdala, and can go haywire causing people all sorts of problems! Off to shower and then get my butt out there (see, I did take some of it in!)

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« Reply #299 on: May 19, 2005, 09:56:35 AM »
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I know this sounds too simple but there is now actually scientific data to support such simple stuff as repetitive training of the mind and the benefits it has on our emotional state and well being.

AHA!  :idea: Hahahaha!  :D I’m really laughing. True!

My brain is such a dork. :D  This is how it goes: I love ‘science’ and ‘facts’ to back up what wise people already know. But I’m sceptical of science of course, because we don’t know what we don’t know and the more we know, the more we know we don’t know. But the science in your post GFN has me hooked. I love the science! (Science is kind of like kids playing isn’t it? Maybe it’s the media that makes science so serious and ‘factual’. I’m sure it isn’t the scientists.)

When I heard about NLP and the like being practised out in the business world, my heart dipped. I had a boss who wore an elastic band around his wrist who told me “every time I have a negative thought, I ping this band and it hurts, so I think it hurts to have the negative thought, so it stops the negative thoughts”: and I thought “nutter”. I thought, you’re no better than Pavlov’s dogs. You’re treating your brain like a dumb thing instead of thinking about why you have those thoughts in the first place. IMO he was a victim of the upsurge in NLP in business. It didn’t stop him driving too fast and losing his licence for a year, or losing his job, or …… offering me work when I was self-employed and expecting me to do it for free, because perhaps “our success could be your success” smarm, smarm, *spew*. Sub-text: because Portia you’re not worth actually being paid are you? :x  Ooops, got side-tracked there (hey, if I work for free, I get to decide that, not the client! 8) )

So, big resistance in me to these quick-fix-your-brain motivational cr*p-traps. No thinking required, just blind adherence to someone else’s agenda.

Okay, fair enough. BUT and this is the simplest, most obvious thing which I’ve missed: part of my cynicism is healthy (the questioning part), but I imagine a whole load is unhealthy kicking against the mind-control practised by my step-dad.

I’m so anti-mind control that I don’t even want to practise it on myself!!!!! Now that’s funny.  :D Remember GFN when I had that disagreement with you about the power of positive thinking? Way back. Well this is why. Fantastic. I love this. I love knowing why. Back to you guys. Just wanted to share my laughter and an  :idea: aha-ha :D

Going to reward myself with coffee and ...maybe just a wee choccy biscuit...