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October

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« on: April 16, 2005, 08:50:26 AM »
Today I am fuming.  Really angry.  I have a daughter who cannot go to school because of a medical condition.  She has a tutor three mornings a week, for a total of 6 hours per week.  Hardly what I call an education, but better than nothing.

The school is supposed to support this, but for two months has done nothing, so I wrote to complain about this (again!!) and today received a letter which is basically a pack of lies.  And I am trying not to reply and say that they are low down sneaking lying snakes, with no idea of educating children, and only interested in covering their own lying bottoms.

Bit cross, don't you know???

Here is part of LEA letter:  "I understand that school do not believe that Year 7 parents have been invited to a consultation meeting since January (Not true; I am getting dates from another pupil - a friend of my daughter).  It is also not the school's recollection that a review meeting had been arranged with you.  (Also not true; several letters mention this meeting, but they never got round to sorting out a date, in spite of me repeatedly asking for one.)

Not necessarily N people, of course, but certainly N behaviour in terms of ignoring completely the main issue which is one of support and access to education, in favour of scoring points by trying to make me out to be at best stupid and at worst a liar.  *&^%$££$%^&&**!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry.  I really don't need this.  

And then some JWs knocked on the door.  Wrong day, guys!!!!!   :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Brigid

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« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2005, 09:02:57 AM »
October,
I'm very sorry for your upset.  I couldn't quite follow what is going on between you and the school and what they are neglecting to do.  Perhaps this is just my ignorance in how your school system works.  Here in the states, every child is required to get an education paid for by their local community, whether that is in a school setting or some alternative plan.  A tutor 3X per week would not qualify here.  Also, there are very few medical conditions that would prohibit a child attending school here as they make some sort of accomodation for most any situation.

Regardless, I'm sorry that they are putting you through this and not helping your daughter.  They should fulfill that obligation and work with you to make it happen.

((((((October)))))))

Brigid

October

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« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2005, 09:19:39 AM »
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Regardless, I'm sorry that they are putting you through this and not helping your daughter.  They should fulfill that obligation and work with you to make it happen.

((((((October)))))))

Brigid


Thanks, Brigid.  I am probably not being very coherent.   :lol:

C has chronic pain, and although many attempts were made in the early days of the Autumn term to encourage her into school, these always caused her distress, and aggravated her condition.  The doctors have been unable to relieve the pain, so until it goes away I have kept her at  home, and the doctors are supporting me in this.  This may take months still, although we are working towards it.

The legal position is that the LEA is still obliged to provide an education, and they provide the tutor for 6 hours a week, which is the legal minimum.  My problem is that the work done with the tutor is not coordinated with that of the school, and there is no interface.  The school has taken no interest whatever for 2 months.  I don't get parents letters, or information of events.  I don't get invited to parents' evenings when other parents do.  Even things like world book day, when every child gets a voucher towards a new book; we did not get sent a voucher.  These are all very small things, but they act to exclude my daughter, and prevent her from feeling as if she is part of the school community.  She is given no perameters by which she can succeed, and therefore she is set up to fail.  In these circumstances I can't see any way to encourage her to return to school.

She is supposed to be visiting with her tutor on Monday, to meet her head of year, but we have not been given a time for the visit.  Small things like that.  Small things which show they really don't give a damn.

I have now (today) joined a group called Education Otherwise, and I am going to investigate teaching her myself.  Can't do a worse job, really.   :?

Feeling very unsupported and misunderstood.  Not here, but in the big bad world.   :cry:

dogbit

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« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2005, 09:35:37 AM »
I just noticed you are in the UK however, here are some web sites that have been very useful to me here in the US.  

mothersfromhell2.com
wrightslaw.com

Also, I cannot emphasize enough how you must put EVERYTHING in writing.  Phone calls don't count.  You must make a paper trail of everything you are trying to accomplish.  I've been there and done that with two of my children.  Usually the educators are thinking only of their budgets, unfortunately.  But your child is owed an equal and appropriate education.  Keep up the good fight!

October

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« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2005, 09:43:24 AM »
Quote from: dogbit
I just noticed you are in the UK however, here are some web sites that have been very useful to me here in the US.  

mothersfromhell2.com
wrightslaw.com

Also, I cannot emphasize enough how you must put EVERYTHING in writing.  Phone calls don't count.  You must make a paper trail of everything you are trying to accomplish.  I've been there and done that with two of my children.  Usually the educators are thinking only of their budgets, unfortunately.  But your child is owed an equal and appropriate education.  Keep up the good fight!



Thanks dogbit.  Yes, I have a papertrail.  It is rather extensive already, and growing, and it helps to be able to quote letters (preferably theirs) in contradiction of current claims.  Fantasising wording as; 'concerned for apparent amnesia epidemic among teaching staff, which might be eased by their re-reading copies of their own correspondence to me.'  However, will probably settle for something less antagonistic.  Shame!!   :lol:

I am also copying in my MP on my correspondence with them, which is why the school thinks I am the mother from hell already.  They should be grateful it isn't the local papers getting copies!!!   :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:

Thanks for the websites.  Will investigate.  :)

Brigid

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2005, 10:39:02 AM »
October,
Thank you for further clarifying the situation for me.  Sometimes I'm just a bit slow, but now I've had 2 cups of coffee and thinking so much more clearly.   :shock:

It sounds like you are doing what you need to cover your bases.  I feel so badly for your daughter--if I recall she is about 12--that she is not made to feel a part of the school environment.  That is such a difficult age anyway, so worried about fitting in and having friends and then to feel ostracized by her own school.  Makes me very angry.  :x  I also feel so badly about her chronic pain.  That must be awful for you to have to witness on top of all your own struggles.

The only somewhat positive thing I see in all of this is that by your needing to fight for your daughter's welfare and perhaps also start home schooling her, it might help you to get stronger and more confident.   Us good moms will do anything for our kids, no matter what the cost is to us personally.

You are both in my prayers.

Brigid

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« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2005, 10:59:02 AM »
October - please PM me, there's some stuff about chronic pain I might be able to point you towards... it may or may not be of any use at all, but i'd like to offer anyway.

Schools, grr.  :evil:  Institutions, GRR.  :evil:  :evil:

Self-aggrandizing self-involved self-serving bureaucracies, GRRRRRRRR[/size]
 :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

Storm

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« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2005, 11:19:40 AM »
Draft of reply to school, with planned posting date for Monday - need to sleep on it.  Won't send italic bits, though.   :lol:

Thank you for your letter of 13 April.   I must confess to being somewhat at a loss how to respond.  It appears to me that we are sliding down a slope of allegation and denial that, quite frankly, I am not interested in pursing.

In the interests of clarity, the contact with the school has been initiated wholly by Mrs D (tutor), with my full support, and gratitude.  The school has welcomed this contact, but not to the extent of providing an actual time for the visit to take place.  As of today (Saturday), I am still not informed about what time C is expected there on Monday, to meet Miss J.  I do not want to prejudge this, so I will wait and see what happens on the day.  Perhaps it will go well.  ( :twisted: Perhaps pigs will fly!!)

The second point, about consultation evenings is correct in relation to this term, I have since found out.  However, the last consultation meeting took place on 11 November, and I was neither informed about this in advance or invited to attend.  I also receive no parents letters whatever from the school.  Perhaps the school will tell you that there have been no parents’ letters since January.  Perhaps they also did not take part in World Book Day, and perhaps C not receiving the voucher towards a book which all other school children are given was an oversight.  Perhaps there is no Year 7 trip to France in June, to which she is not even invited to consider attending (she is unlikely to be well enough, in fact) because we have received no letter about it.  C has been promised information about the Gifted and Talented group, which she has been invited to join.  Again, we have no information about these meetings.

Perhaps there is no effective exclusion going on, in such tiny, trivial little ways.  

As to the review meeting, Mr P mentions it himself in his letter of 28 January; “We look forward to meeting with you again early after the February half-term holiday to review these arrangements and Charlotte’s progress.”  But again this issue is sidestepped by saying that no meeting had been agreed with me.  The meeting had indeed been agreed; his letter says as much.  Only the date remained undetermined.

What advantage is there in going over this kind of detail?  None that I can see.

I remain C’s advocate, both in terms of her health and her education.  My point to you was that (school) has done nothing for 2 months to support her and me in achieving that education, and that I would like this to change.  I am not interested in criticising anyone, only in finding a way forward, with a more child centered approach from the school, in line with their vision statement.  I am, sadly, becoming increasingly disillusioned with (school), and the claims that they make about support and education.  

If I were interested in causing trouble I would do that via the press and the EOC; that would hardly be difficult for me.  Please take the fact that I am not at present going down those routes as an indicator that I want a good working relationship with the school, and one which looks for win:win, rather than taking the current defensive and adversarial stance.

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« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2005, 07:11:19 AM »
Hi October, I read your posts yesterday and was wringing my hands. I'm sorry, and I don't have experience of the system but  know it stinks. My step-mother was a primary school head for a while; she knows the system stinks and tells me the stories! Lying and keeping the system clean while allowing kids to flounder.

Have you edited now that you've slept on it? The only thought I had was to be clear and factual, remove any sarcasm/joking because 'they' might not 'get it'. Keep it clear and cold.....gosh, what an infuriating and frustrating set-up. I do feel for you and C. Good luck, and don't take it personally! It's not personal, the system likes to protect itself first....sad. Portia

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« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2005, 08:48:41 AM »
October,  Good letter.  My free advice is to leave out the last paragraph unless they have, in writing, said specifically that you "are trying to cause trouble".  I say that because they will latch on to that like ferrets at a food feast and the whole emphasis of whatever your next communication will be "you're causing trouble" instead of Charlotte not getting an appropriate education.  I say that because in my oldest daughters first IEP's (Individual Education Plan), I started to cry when they told me they would not help her because there was no money in their budget.  Well, that became the emphasis of that meeting and time was lost.  I was snookered by the ferrets!  I never cried again!  Just state the facts, the dates, and the law.  Your letter I think sounds like you are stating facts and presenting yourself as being willing to work with them.   By the way, since I had two kids in need of services, I finally retained an attorney who represented them for ten years!  In the US, if I prevailed, the school had to pay my legal expenses.  I always prevailed.  It was astounding what lengths the school would go to to in order to deny services but oftentimes they do it so as to not set precedents of providing services for one child that other deserving kids might be able to take advantage of.  This is probably more than you wanted to hear but it is an issue that is still very near to my heart.  Keep up the good fight!

Stormchild

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« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2005, 01:12:54 PM »
dogbit you are so right.

october, they'll jump on any excuse they can, to divert attention from the actual issue. watch for that, and nail them every time they try it. then insist on returning to the topic at hand. this way, the topic either becomes the actual issue, or their efforts to avoid dealing with it.

good luck, good luck, i'm praying for you.

October

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« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2005, 04:34:40 PM »
New draft, after a night's sleep, and after reading your suggestions.  Thanks, all.  

Thank you for your letter of 13 April. I must confess to being somewhat at a loss how to respond. It appears to me that we are sliding down a slope that, quite frankly, I am not interested in following.  I can see no point in my demonstrating to you the inconsistencies in the information you have been given and the actual situation; that is between you and (school).

I remain C’s advocate, both in terms of her health and her education. My point to you was that (school) has done nothing for 2 months to support her and me in achieving that education, and that I would like this to change.  The initiative to take C to school on Monday was entirely instigated by Mrs D, and is not an initiative from the school, although they were pleased to welcome the proposal once it was made.

I am not interested in criticising anyone, only in finding a way forward, with a more child centered approach from the school, in line with their vision statement. I am, sadly, becoming increasingly disillusioned with (school), and the claims that they make about support and education.

I want a good working relationship with the school, and one which looks for win:win, rather than taking the current defensive and adversarial stance, which I find unnecessarily confrontational, and totally lacking in understanding of my position as Cs parent and advocate.

October

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« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2005, 04:38:26 PM »
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It was astounding what lengths the school would go to to in order to deny services but oftentimes they do it so as to not set precedents of providing services for one child that other deserving kids might be able to take advantage of.  


Thanks, Dogbit.  You are absolutely right.  The number of times I questioned their behaviour towards my daughter and heard that it is the same as for every other pupil, therefore it is ok for her.   :evil:

Have they never heard of equal opportunities, or disability discrimination??

 :shock:

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« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2005, 04:53:05 PM »
Excellent draft October. Adult, detached, explicit.

I hope you find an advocate and get an honest hearing. Home schooling has been quite successful in the States, if that's the route you determine needs to be taken. [I saw somewhere on this thread that you were exploring it?]

((((((((((October))))))))))

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« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2005, 05:00:52 PM »
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Home schooling has been quite successful in the States, if that's the route you determine needs to be taken. [I saw somewhere on this thread that you were exploring it?]

((((((((((October))))))))))


Yes.  Am trying to devise a strategy whereby I can homeschool and earn money at the same time.  At present not working, but need money to homeschool.  Also need to work from home.

Not impossible, because I used to run my own PR company, but daunting, to say the least.  However, God is good.  (Sometimes!!)