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My father the little squirrel
« on: October 24, 2006, 12:36:44 AM »
Hi bean,

I moved this over and will also move Hops' comment over because I feel like going on a tangent and don't want to hijack the "Please help me" thread.

hi pp,
I feel sad as I've read what you've written.   :(

I think it is because you write with such detail that I really feel as if I'm there in your shoes, and feeling the things in your life, as they've unfolded over the past couple years...  Your story about your father and his final days really touched me.  I will never forget the analogy of him as a squirrel either (was it a squirrel?  that's what popped into my head as I read what you wrote, anyway).  Also how you described him being both afraid and excited all at once.  Maybe you should publish your words, pp.  There is so much depth and understanding and feeling in them.

((((((((((((((pp))))))))))))))

Thank you for just being you.

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pbean,

Yes, I did say he was like a squirrel being carried to the ambulance in that blanket all alert and excited.  I will never forget it either  :wink: .   It was frightening and yet so normal all at once.  He actually enjoyed so much of the medical side of his life.  He thought it was all "fascinating".  He loved all the equipment and the test results and all the ways he could manage his own treatment.  And he wasn't Munchhausens or anything like that.  His health was much poorer at all times than he ever let on.  He hated to admit how serious it all was.

He actually had poor health for many, many years.  His emphysema started when he was in his early 40s, the age I am now.  That is pretty early for emphysema.  He deteriorated rapidly during his 50s.  My responsibilities to him increased at times and eased up at times.   

One thing I noticed during the more ill times was that his walls would come down somewhat and he would talk about himself and his family and his opinions if I asked.  So, I know there was a real, 3-D man in there because I saw it once in awhile.  I saw many different sides of him during the last three weeks of his life in the hospital and nursing home. 

Once, during the year before he died, and probably after he discovered Asperger's, he told me he knew why his marriage to my mother failed.  He was talking about his part in it, not hers.  Then he said, but back then he wasn't capable of doing what it would have taken to save the marriage.  I thought that was very insightful.  Sad, too.  But it seemed to me that he had finally accepted it.  He did want to have one last meeting with her and asked me to arrange it.  I never thought she would come through but she surprised me by saying yes.  They had a very nice afternoon visiting and I think he fell in love with her all over again.  Not realistic, of course, but he felt good about it for days afterward.

Thank you for the compliments about my writing.  Writing is the thing I want to do, but I haven't yet found my niche.  The writing I do here means a lot to me and if this is all I ever write that gets read by others, that's not such a bad thing.  This place is very important to me.  I am happy that I can share my most important memories and experiences here and people understand.

Thanks, (((((((((pb)))))))))))))

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 12:43:48 AM »
you are welcome

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 01:50:52 AM »
PP, I relate. One thing I noted in your piece was that your father actually, imo, shared a very intimate confidence with you. That comment sounded to me as though it was a true thing, and perhaps very similar to how he felt about being a parent (and being spouse to your mother must have been awful):

I know what's happening but I can't talk about it any more.

One thing in the last 8 years that I only occasionally stopped to think of, is that for all my mother's incessant demands and pouting and complaining and maneuvering and manipulating and craving attention beyond anything I can describe, I often forgot that she never lived with her parents even for a week after she left home at 18. She never went for long visits, and missed her mother's funeral.

Yet for decades, she convinced me I owed her more than any child could reasonably give. (And I bought the story.) Pretty staggering how she could hoist that inconsistency in front of me and I'd never question it...

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Hopsy,

Our parents have burdened us with a huge double-standard.  My mother hated her own mother and did as little with or for her as she possibly could.  All my childhood I heard the stories about her unreasonable mother, my grandmother, and it was all true.  All the daughters saw the truth about their mother and none of them was close to her.  But now I think, well, how come you never felt any sense of duty toward her?  She expected me to be dutiful toward my parents, but she exempted herself from those duties.  I'm sure she believed that since I had a wonderful mother, that it simply wasn't the same thing at all.  But I picked up on my responsibilities as a duty that did not seem to depend on whether my parents deserved such treatment.  Whereas it seems to me that the message she gave about her own mother was that she didn't deserve dutiful daughters.

When my grandmother was diagnosed with terminal ovarian cancer, my mother did visit her in the hospital and talk to the doctors and things like that.  But she rarely visited to check on her once out of the hospital (gramma was a widow by then) and refused to invite her to our house for dinner after gramma made the mistake of hinting that she would like to be invited over.  My mother would, however, drop me off to share a meal or an evening with my grandmother.  My mother was too busy with her boyfriend to be bothered with being a dutiful daughter.  And apparently I was being groomed for that role anyway.

I would say that you also were groomed for the role of dutiful daughter.  I suppose that idea comes naturally to the N-istic ones.  They don't owe their parents anything at all, but they are all-deserving of the worshipful chores we can perform for them.

Oh, I so did not want to become a bitter person!!

Now this is where the slight difference between Asperger's and Narcissism comes in.  My father was just the opposite with his parents.  We spent many Sundays visiting my paternal grandfather during my childhood.  We celebrated his birthday each year.  The last month of his life we decided to invite him to our house for dinner once a week because he was lonely after the death of my uncle who had lived with him.  The last week of his life, my father and his remaining brother and sister took turns spending the night with him to keep watch.  They were with him when he went to the hospital and died.  My father was a willing participant in this care of his parent.  And I don't think they were particularly close.  My father wasn't easy to get along with.  He hinted that his father wasn't easy to get along with either.  But he could still be reciprocal with his parent and family in general.  My mother is more one-directional.  Very one-directional.

As unfair as it is that you have given up so much for your mother's care, I tend to think that it is a very normal, human, loving thing to do.  You may have been groomed for it, as I think I was too.  But it just seems natural on some level too.  But then again, maybe I'm just brainwashed!

Interestingly enough, my mother has decided that my sister is the one who will care for her in her old age.  The reason she gave me?  My sister will be caring for her, because I don't understand my sister as well as she does.  Huh?  Because I don't get along with my sister, my sister has to take care of my mother?  Does anybody know what kind of triangle that is?!?  Why, that doesn't make any kind of sense at all.  But.....it does get me off the hook  :D .  So, I haven't tried to talk her out of it at all.  Slowly learning.

The day my father admitted that he understand he was terminal but could not talk about it anymore was quite a terrible day.  The social worker had the whole story as far as what kind of care he was getting, palliative.  We knew only that one week ago he was getting an IV bone strengthener with the intention of then beginning chemo.  The doctor never gave us the real scoop in so many words.  We were just feeling our way around in the dark in some respects.  I don't know if no one had the guts to break it to my ever-hopeful father or if this particular group of people just handled all terminal patients this way.  I mean, hospice would have been real helpful to us by this point.  But the social worker laid it on the line and my father got real mad at her and basically kicked her out of the room after asking me if I "knew".  But I hadn't known.  I told him I suspected it because some things didn't add up.  But no one had told me anything that they hadn't told him. 

And right at that moment, the funeral directors walked in.  I had asked my father to pre-pay his funeral in preparation for entering the nursing home, so that his money wouldn't be used up on his care.  I had no idea he was really that close to the end of his life.  And I had hated to even ask him to help me with that.  But he got all excited about the idea of the prepaid funeral and treated it like a project.  Called all the funeral homes in town, found the one who sounded the nicest on the phone, and made an appointment for them to come to the hospital and start planning.  And they arrived at the worst possible moment.  Somewhat funny in retrospect.  There they were in the doorway with their beautiful suntans, black suits and black briefcases.  And the social worker is yelling at them to wear masks and gowns because my father was contagious with MRSA (staph).  So, I go down the hall into another office to make these plans and my father stays in bed and watches TV.

I really don't know how anybody does these things.  It seems to me that those last three weeks I was just carried along by that greater force.  In some ways, it was good that I didn't really know for sure just how close the end was.  My sister is a nurse, and she saw him about two weeks before he died, when he was his most lucid, and she predicted he would make it to Christmas.  He made it until October 29th.  I think it was his own belief that he would last until spring(!) that had most of us fooled.  You could see his belief before you could see his wasted away arms which should have been a clue just how close it was.

We went to NYC this weekend to visit our son.  He suggested we go see the exhibit called "Bodies" which is being held at the South Street Seaport.  I won't describe it here, because it is actually very disturbing.  But it does examine the human body underneath the skin.  We saw one body that showed bones and tendons and I instantly remembered how wasted away my father's arms were at the end.  You couldn't see the tattoos on his arms very well anymore because of the wasting.  Two years later and I'm in NYC looking at an exhibit from China and it brings back that memory of my father's arms again.  He had been very muscular as a young man.  On his deathbed he maybe weighed sixty or seventy pounds.  It's hard to comprehend.

I think my father had some capability of relating that my mother does not have.  I'm so close to it though.  It's confusing.  At this time I'm letting things take a natural course.  Actually I don't contact my mother any more than necessary.  Sort of like with my N-co-worker.  She doesn't even complain any more that I'm "screening" her.  All caught up in her own dramas at the moment.  I bet she would be totally shocked to think I believe she has a personality problem.  And it would be nice to think that she could, somewhere down the line, reveal an ability to recognize me as a real and separate person if something were to change in her life.  But it doesn't seem like the memories add up that way.

Lots to think about.

((((((((((Hopsy)))))))))))

That's for being such a dutiful daughter.  It really is a big deal.

Love, Pennyplant
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 09:52:56 AM »
((((((hopsy))))))))  ((((((((((pp))))))))

in some ways, being a dutiful daughter defines who you are as you've spent such a large chunck of your lives doing it?  I think that the occasional feelings of joy in doing it, and the occasional feelings of bitterness when you look back and ask - Why?  Why did I do all that? - are all OK.  Thank you for sharing them pp.  They have given me clarity too.  My role has been the rebel, not the dutiful daughter, but its immensely helpful for me to see it from the other point of view too as it helps me to forgive others.

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 10:58:58 AM »
I often wish I had been the rebel.  Not to the extent that my sister was!  She rebelled to an exteme degree.  She harmed herself in just about every way possible.  I'm not even sure rebellion was what she had in mind because she was just so extreme.  Perhaps self-destruction was really her goal on some level.  Our parents didn't want kids.  So I guess, in her self-destructive way, she was being obedient on some level.

But when I'm wishing that I had rebelled it is because I often think, at least I would have been valuing myself.  The way I did things, it was as if I had absolutely no value or identity at all.  Everything I liked, or could be, was entirely up for grabs.  And even that was held against me.  Nobody likes someone who doesn't even like themselves.  And it is manipulative too.  I "behaved" because I thought it would get me something.  I thought people would be nice to me, would stop being mean to me, life would be easier, etc.  I assumed I knew what others wanted and were thinking.  And that I could even provide what they wanted.  It's a real mixture of NO SELF and ALL SELF.

The kind of rebellion I'm talking about is like what my son's girlfriend does.  Her parents are exceedingly strict with her.  So, she lies to them in order to do what she wants.  Which are normal things the average 18-year-old girl wants to do and should do.  And she is completely honest with her friends about lying to her parents.  This is a girl who knows it is okay that she exists.  That is what I did not know when I was young. 

In not rebelling, I carried a ton of anger around inside me all the time.  My husband recently said that when we met, he just thought I was happy and nice.  He had no idea until later just how angry of a person I was.  Of course, meeting him made me feel very happy when I was with him.  That happiness was real.  But it certainly didn't fix anything.

When I was very young, grade school, I did try to stand up for myself at home.  I complained a lot for a short time about my sister's behavior and how it effected me.  I mean, the entire dynamic of my family revolved around not riling my sister.  As a result my mother started saying I wanted everything my way and was acting like a Queen.  So, she called me Queen or Queeny all the time instead of my name. "What does the Queen want now?"   And my sister and father picked up on this for awhile too.  It drove me crazy.  I desperately wanted them to stop calling me that.  It was humiliating.  I was name-called in the neighborhood too and it was just intolerable that it should also happen at home.  Eventually it faded away.  But I don't think it was because I demanded that it stop.  That never worked for me anyway.  I don't think it was that anyone grew a conscience.  I suspect it was because I eventually stopped complaining about how unhappy I was with the dynamic in our house.  Just started toeing the line as much as humanly possible.

By accepting the role of dutiful daughter, I also missed a lot.  I missed just about every normal milestone that a girl can have.  Now, I keep wanting to have that back.  And it is way too late.  I can't turn back time.  I can't step back into that younger body.  Sometimes I feel like such a fool.  I tried to be so good and safe all those years.  And for what?  It's part of why I can't often participate in your average conversation these days.  People still actually talk about what they did when they were young.  Reminisce.  They'll ask me, did you play a sport?  Not really.  Were you on a team?  No, not in school.  Mention the first guy they slept with (I'm married to mine).  Prom dresses, bridesmaid dresses.  Nope.  People talk about the past all the time, at least around here.  I'm not going to tell people how my family treated me, which is what my past mostly consists of.  There were good things at times.  So once in a great while I can share a story too. 

You know even here, it seems most people can share stories of how they tried and perhaps failed but at least eventually learned.  People can talk about their painful relationships or their divorces together.  I'm not making light of these painful experiences.  What I'm saying here is that these experiences seem to be somewhat of a norm.  And people can bond over them.  There are a few people here who lived narrow lives as children, like I did, and I'm so grateful not to be alone in that.  But it is not the same kind of vivid bonding experience that is available to people who "rebelled" or who tried things that didn't work.  It's kind of lonely being dutiful and straight and narrow.  It doesn't socialize a person.  Not even in a disfunctional way. 

Oh man, that anger really is still there just below the surface.  It should not be necessary for me to compare.  And what I hate about that is, I do worry that I'm going on about it here and I truly don't want to offend anyone who rebelled as a way of dealing with voicelessness.  In my heart, the rebels were so much smarter than me.  Braver or something.  But my anger about my choices might not be coming out that way.  I think it might sound like envy.  But I don't want other people's lives and experiences.  I wanted mine.  And I can never have that.  I can start now to have my own life and experience.  But it seems like a consolation prize when that anger is close to the surface.  When happiness is flowing, as it sometimes does, having my own life now seems okay.  I can be glad I have it at all.  But that anger makes it feel like too little too late.  Back and forth, back and forth.

Thinkadeethink is so complicated.  And it wears me out.

Balance.  I need balance.

Hmmmm.

The feelings can maybe float around a little today while I do some stuff on my list.  I don't have to go back to work until Monday.  That gives me several days in which to "feel".  But also at the same time to "do".

These parents, this life. I suppose it has some value in and of itself.  Well, it does.  Right?  Isn't that one of the things we learn here?  I can live with that.

PP
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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 11:37:15 AM »
Hi Pennyp ,

The way you express yourself is breathtaking.

PP My mom never wanted duty she wanted our love only if it were real.
With my father it was different all seems to be for appearance.
It's hard to write after such beauty as yours but I will try.

I do not believe you have missed anything you surly have not .Your understanding is wonderful and the way you tell your story is a gift.
We are all finding self no matter the circumstances we can compare like I do with siblings but my experience is mine I am who I am because of them .
The trick is I think is to understand but even still live with the pangs of the "phantom parent".
The parent or parents we wished had existed for us.


so much love I send to you today PP and thank you as you know for all you have done for me.

Love always,
moon
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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 12:04:39 PM »
Ah, Moonlight, your mother was so right.  Real love.  Duty can seem like love.  But that is not what it always is.

Yes, it is a real trick, learning to understand, living with what might have been, living with the memory of what was, not judging it, just holding it somewhere, not burying it.

Thank you so much, Moon.

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2006, 09:26:38 PM »
Real dear PennyP:

What you don't know about yourself is that you are so interesting.

Know what I'd expect from someone who had missed milestones that matter, who had no ability to speak the language of community, who had little insight or vital spark?

Boredom. Flat as a mossy plank boredom. And Moon is right...your ability to express such profound and clear analytical thought and questioning is breathtaking!

That doesn't come cheaply. I don't know if the real lacks in your family life as a child drove you inward...but I think they did. And I think you have learned so much more about being alive than you realize or recognize the value of. You really wow me.

Maybe in superficial encounter with people you don't instantly have common things to say...but dear, anyone so smart, so articulate, and so deeply thoughtful...this person can win friends and have dialogues that will over time mean so much more than chitchatters ever do.

I wish you these friends. I would be honored to be one. And if I and others of us feel this way here in 2D, I know there are good, thinking people in the 3D world who can bond with you too.

Please don't be afraid to go to some form of community (okay, I won't say UU  :)) ... and build yourself a small circle of friends. You deserve them. But I think you need a thoughtful setting to get to know people in, that's all.

(Okay, I'll say it. In my church there are what we call "Covenant Groups", where a group of 8-10 people meet twice a month for a structured kind of circle-talk, that's intended to help us know each other at a deeper level and listen and appreciate each other that way too. It is wonderful. And other denominations have similar small-group ministries as well. I really do think that context, or a women's support group, would be so enjoyable and rewarding for you.)

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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2006, 09:53:31 PM »
it is way too late.  I can't turn back time.  I can't step back into that younger body.  Sometimes I feel like such a fool.  I tried to be so good and safe all those years.  And for what?

huge hugs for you PP. I feel the same about relationships, all those celibate years, my body getting old...but everyone has been reassuring me it'll be more wonderful when I do meet someone at this age.

I have a cup in my kitchen window, the artist painted on it 'you can't turn the clock back but you can wind it up again...'

It's not too late, I just know it, not for you or me or any of us. We just got off track ( like I am doing tonight in a smaller way! )

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 11:53:39 AM »
What you don't know about yourself is that you are so interesting.

Hopsy, I'm beginning to think I don't know lots of things about myself.  Strangely enough, I think that is because I have spent far too much time thinking about myself. In the Henri Nouwen book there is an essay about all of us having an abyss inside ourselves.  If we dwell on it too much in order to deal with it, we actually get lost deeper and deeper inside of it.  The better way is to work around it and let it close itself off.  This issue was also brought up in the enneagram personality test I took awhile back.  The individualists can get lost inside themselves.  That's how they deal with stress.  I've always had stress.  So, it seems like I've always been inside myself.  Finally beginning to see that as not good.

It has occurred to me that UU would be a good place for me (it occurred to me even before I met you  :wink:).  There is a church about, you guessed it, one hour from here.  And I work every other Sunday.  I've got it in mind, but it's going to take some time to really let go and just participate in something like that.  They've got to fit with me and I've got to fit with them.  I do think it is possible.

Met an old friend for breakfast today.  It was a very good visit.  She also invited us to their annual Christmas Eve party.  We've been once before and it was fun.  All of her friends go to a particular church in the next town over.  We've met them all before and will be able to chat and participate.  Sometimes it is overwhelming though.  We are so un-churched.  All day long at work I let anything fly.  So, it is a conscious effort to watch my mouth around my church-going friends.  Always something, huh?

Here I feel closest to my real self.  I'm only realer with my family.  The walls just go up automatically with everyone else.  Varying degrees of walled-in-ness.  But still there.  The walls go up almost in preparation for public life.  That's a life-long habit that will take some time to change.

Last night I started making a mandala.  On the mandala website you can visit websites of the people who have submitted them already.  The one I visited has a project where each woman is responsible for one wedge of the mandala.  They are making collages and then putting the wedges together to form one mandala with peace as the theme.  It's called Peace Pie.  So, I'm making a collage mandala one wedge at a time.  It's orange, of course.  It was soothing last night cutting out the pictures I liked.  I used to make collages when I was a kid.  Today I hope to begin pasting.  It's my own art therapy.

That's still pretty internal.  But I figure it might be part of closing off the abyss, doing this art therapy and making an object like this mandala.  It really sparks my imagination for some reason.

Thanks, Hops, for your response.  I really am working on things.  It's just going to take some time.

Love, Pennyplant
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 11:55:42 AM »
'you can't turn the clock back but you can wind it up again...'

It's not too late, I just know it, not for you or me or any of us. We just got off track ( like I am doing tonight in a smaller way! )

WRITE, you must be right, you just must be.  I'm going to live my life as if you are, anyway!!

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2006, 12:48:25 PM »
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By accepting the role of dutiful daughter, I also missed a lot.  I missed just about every normal milestone that a girl can have.  Now, I keep wanting to have that back.  And it is way too late.  I can't turn back time.  I can't step back into that younger body.  Sometimes I feel like such a fool.  I tried to be so good and safe all those years.  And for what?  It's part of why I can't often participate in your average conversation these days.  People still actually talk about what they did when they were young.  Reminisce.  They'll ask me, did you play a sport?  Not really.  Were you on a team?  No, not in school. 
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Mention the first guy they slept with (I'm married to mine).  Prom dresses, bridesmaid dresses.  Nope.  People talk about the past all the time, at least around here.  I'm not going to tell people how my family treated me, which is what my past mostly consists of.  There were good things at times.  So once in a great while I can share a story too. 

You know even here, it seems most people can share stories of how they tried and perhaps failed but at least eventually learned.  People can talk about their painful relationships or their divorces together.  I'm not making light of these painful experiences.  What I'm saying here is that these experiences seem to be somewhat of a norm.  And people can bond over them.  There are a few people here who lived narrow lives as children, like I did, and I'm so grateful not to be alone in that.  But it is not the same kind of vivid bonding experience that is available to people who "rebelled" or who tried things that didn't work. It's kind of lonely being dutiful and straight and narrow.  It doesn't socialize a person.  Not even in a disfunctional way.  
WOW! Great insight.  I'll have to say it again, you and I have so much past in common.  I too was the dutiful daughter, I kept my anger inside (and there was tons of it).  I was an only child so that made the responsibilities even greater, but yet I"m pretty sure my mom never wanted me (long story), but I'm o.k. with that now.  Actually, the worst part these days is that 1) I don't have many friends and the ones I do have aren't in my life on a regular basis, they live away from here and 2) I don't seem to have the ability to make new friends and have "a life".     My kids are growing up and away from me and I can see now that I need to develop a life, but it's not that easy.  I hear other people talk about where they're going or what they did and I just never can seem to make myself go and do.  I was raised that I was supposed to stay home, period.  My mom never went anywhere or did anything (I'm sure looking back she was really depressed) and my dad went and did and had stories to tell about his fishing trips.  Mom and I just stayed home.  Now all I can do is stay home. 

I was the dutiful straight arrow, and I had no friends growing up. I did not know how to socialize and really still don't.  My mom used the Bible to keep me in line, and hearing quotes from it on a very regular basis kept me so shamed and fearful that it really worked well to achieve what she wanted---and what I'm sure she wanted was a "no problem" child that wouldn't cause her any trouble,  grief, or shame. 

ANd PP, you do write very well :)  THanks for sharing.  :) :)

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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2006, 02:11:24 PM »
My kids are growing up and away from me and I can see now that I need to develop a life, but it's not that easy.

My mom never went anywhere or did anything (I'm sure looking back she was really depressed) and my dad went and did and had stories to tell about his fishing trips.  Mom and I just stayed home.  Now all I can do is stay home. 

kept me so shamed and fearful that it really worked well to achieve what she wanted---and what I'm sure she wanted was a "no problem" child that wouldn't cause her any trouble,  grief, or shame. 

Hi Adrift,

It really is so good to know there are others who have something of a vacuum for their youth.  For me it has been just one more thing to be ashamed of since I assumed it had to be my own fault, that there must be something wrong with me that life didn't just naturally come together for me.  But I don't think it just naturally comes together for anybody.  When you have the right things going for you, it seems natural because that is all you have ever known.  But you need the right ingredients--loving parents, space to be yourself, a good neighborhood with well-adjusted neighbors, on and on.

My kids are just about all on their own.  Youngest still lives with us but that won't be for much longer I can tell.  He's chomping at the bit.  I really thought all the years we were raising our kids that when they grew up and moved from home, that our real lives would begin.  I couldn't wait to finally have freedom, which we had never had since our oldest son was born when we were 18.  Boy, was it ever a nasty surprise to find that we were free to do what???  Nothing was waiting out there in freedom for us to do.  We had been so busy with our noses to the grindstone, we'd never really established roots since we moved a lot, and so nobody had room for us in their lives and we didn't even really know what we wanted to do anyway.  Another vacuum awaited us.

I've been slowly trying things to see what fits.  I take yoga once a week.  That is something I plan to stick with even though it hasn't led to any new friends as I'd hoped.  Some weeks I don't feel like going though and I remind myself of my mother who also never wanted to do anything.  She joined a bowling league once and all she did was complain every Monday, oh God, I don't want to bowl tonight, blah, blah, blah.  And the weeks I don't feel like going to yoga I think, Oh man, am I doomed to turn into my mother at this late stage of the game?  Not fair!!!

All the going and doing and being I wanted when I was young and she just spoiled it much of the time for me.  But now I'm pretty free and I don't know how to be free.  It is still a struggle.

I just think, though, that forcing yourself to do things, anything, isn't what it's going to take.  I'm convinced that working on the causes, this voicelessness, the depression, etc., is a major part of it.  Trying new things can go side by side with that.  The making friends part, somebody mentioned on another thread about practicing having small conversations once in awhile and then applauding yourself for that.  Applauding yourself just for going to the store and seeing other people.  I think is was IAmNewToMe was talking about that.  It's kind of what I do.  No goal in mind even.  Just spending time when I'm able making small overtures or responding in a casual, friendly way to acquaintances and being happy with that particular encounter.  It's enough just to do that.  It sure takes the pressure off by thinking of it in this way.

I kind of think the real friends sort of find you when you least expect it anyway.  I have had some really good friends over the years.  It's in me to be able to accept them into my life.  But the real good ones, it seems like it did happen in somewhat of a natural way.  In reality, though, the right ingredients were present at those times.  Fortunately.

At work I know some incredibly quiet people and lately it seems like I'm gravitating toward them.  Not a constant thing.  I never want to be clingy again like I was with the N-co-worker.  But it's nice to chat or make a joke with someone who is just nice and spends time doing a good job and is not a threat in any way.  I really hope my desperation is sliding right out of me for good.

Do you have a job Adrift?  If you do, what's it like there?  I mean people-wise.  Your co-workers.  I work a lot so it is a big part of my life.  I work on "my issues" there.  It's as good a place as any, since I practically live there.  It is where I have had some really painful lessons in what is wrong with how I have always approached life.  I was also supposed to be no problem whatsoever to my parents.  That's the only way I knew to approach any situation in life.  Do whatever is less trouble for the other person.  When I first got hired for my job, it was very impressive to everyone how hard I was willing to work.  Reliable, dependable.  They took advantage of me often.  But I took it because everyone had seniority to me.  There wasn't really any other option, in my book.

Then a year and a half ago they hired a new person.  She is lazy and a know-it-all.  My blood pressure is going up as I type.  I was absolutely shocked to see her step right up and refuse to learn from me or anyone else, take privileges for herself, leave work for others, especially me, and in general act like someone with oodles of seniority.  And nobody did a thing about it!  I was as shocked as I have ever been in my life.  It forced me to question just what it was I thought I was doing there.  Because it turned out that I was doing all that work and getting dumped on and taken advantage of, not because I was the junior employee, but because I allowed it.  I expected unfairness.  And I received it in boatloads.  I'm still so angry about that.

This very hard lesson has forced me to make a decision every single time I approach a task now.  Because nobody else there is looking out for me, that's for sure!  The only person who will make sure I don't have to do more than my share or accept responsibility for anyone else--is me.  I have had to unlearn almost everything I picked up in my childhood.  I have had to learn what it feels like to not do more than my share.  Which felt very shameful at first.  Too selfish.  But I told myself that if I'm doing a good job and doing my share, that it must be my feelings which are wrong.  Wrong to feel shame at doing a good job just because it is not twice as much work as others are doing.  It has been exhausting changing my approach to my work, and therefore my life.  It has felt so good to be on vacation the past two weeks.  I don't want to go back yet!!!

I can't emphasize enough what a shocking and hard lesson that was to discover that I have been taken advantage of for five hard years, not because I was junior to everyone else but because I was me.  It rocked my world to learn that.  It took me quite awhile to figure out how to change that.  I really didn't start working on my behavior and attitude until last winter.  And obviously it is going to take awhile longer since I'm getting worked up just thinking about it.  I mean, I can hardly talk civilly to this particular co-worker.  It was probably the most useful lesson I have ever learned.  But I just hate her for it.  I really do.  Wow.

Adrift, it is so very hard to change directions so radically from the way you were raised.  I understand that so well.  Maybe you'll get an external push like I did at work.  Or maybe you'll pick some task each day to learn from (my preferred method, as you might be able to tell!!!)  Either way, it will happen for you.  Because you are not your mother and never will be.  Maybe a couple things in common thanks to DNA.  But you are you.  You bring something new to it.  You will find it or it will find you.  Or both.

Thanks, Adrift, it's good to hear from you.

Love, Pennyplant
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John Lennon

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2006, 05:06:09 PM »
Aw, heck, PP...you can cuss in front of UUs.

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Re: My father the little squirrel
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 05:56:29 PM »
Aw, heck, PP...you can cuss in front of UUs.

Well, that definitely tips the scale in their favor  :mrgreen: !!!

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